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Post by GaTechGrad on Dec 8, 2007 7:32:10 GMT -5
I'm happy if TNA keeps getting 1.1's if they continue in the direction that they are going. I'm just hoping they don't sell out and start programming toward women and kids to bump up the ratings.
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Post by poi zen rana on Dec 8, 2007 9:18:26 GMT -5
i think ecw could have done better a few weeks ago. i used to always watch ecw but i haven't even been interested since the big smackdown merger. now ecw is just smackdown jr. so the decision was pretty easy in this house. i still don't think that ecw getting a lower rating than tna is a big deal. the big deal is that ecw did nothing to take fans away from impact. that is a pretty big accomplishment.
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 8, 2007 10:28:25 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say there was no advertising for ecw on thrusday, from what I understand they mentioned it on ecw, raw and smackdown and it's on the website. Short of taking out large billboards what can you do?
It was probably the combination of the night change and tna. I think tna starting an hour earlier helped, once you've watched the first hour you're less likely to switch off half way through.
ECW lost HALF their viewers, that's more than just a night change. Whenever raw does a different night or are on sci fi, they go down by about 25% but not half.
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Post by EJS on Dec 8, 2007 10:53:32 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say there was no advertising for ecw on thrusday, from what I understand they mentioned it on ecw, raw and smackdown and it's on the website. Short of taking out large billboards what can you do? It was probably the combination of the night change and tna. I think tna starting an hour earlier helped, once you've watched the first hour you're less likely to switch off half way through. ECW lost HALF their viewers, that's more than just a night change. Whenever raw does a different night or are on sci fi, they go down by about 25% but not half. They used that stupid ticker thing on the bottom of the screen to announce it on ECW. I pay no attention to that because in the previous few weeks every time I read it it was just "WATCH A REPLAY TOMORROW ON ECW.COM!!!". On Raw it was only mentioned in commercials. People don't always pay attention to commercials. Especially if they're watching on tivo or something like that. I don't recall it being mentioned on Smackdown at all, but it's been over a week and I didn't watch Smackdown live. If they did it wasn't focused much. When Raw moves you have it mentioned before and during almost every commercial break on Raw with full screen graphics and several times on the other shows. And usually it is worked into several peoples promos during Raw.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 8, 2007 11:42:24 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say there was no advertising for ecw on thrusday, from what I understand they mentioned it on ecw, raw and smackdown and it's on the website. Short of taking out large billboards what can you do? There was no mention on Smackdown. Raw had TWO twenty second commercials that mainly hyped the "Pick Your Poison" Match with a brief "On a Thursday edition" comment from the voiceover. The website? Yeah, on ECW.com...which is usually visited by...not many. Actually, I'd say those who went to the website were probably the people who already knew and already planned on watching. What can you do? How about this. Have people mention it ON AIR. "Jeff Hardy has a challenge against this Monster Snitsky. Snitsky, who came over here from ECW on the draft, has wrecked carnage since arriving." "Yeah, and with talk of monsters and ECW, who do you think CM Punk will pick to face this thursday night on ECW?" "I'd shudder to think of myself in his position against either Big Daddy V or Mark Henry, but let's get back to the match..." Wow. That was hard, wasn't it? Just have someone mention it on TV for goodness sake. Very true. ECW scored the same thing when it was moved to Saturday. Also, despite its flaws, if you start to watch something like TNA, you might want to watch it to the end. In my case, I was bored with another Christian/Angle "confrontation" and went to ECW. That's because...it's Raw. The number one show. The show that is treated as the "favorite child." The last time Raw was moved to Thursday (When everyone freaked out because TNA got "hammered") do you remember the main event? I do. Undertaker, Batista, John Cena, and Shawn Michaels vs. MVP, Kennedy, Randy Orton, and Edge. Are you kidding me? That...is...PACKED. ECW has already shown that it gets around a .6 when switching days, so it actually maintained its expected audience...as did TNA. I don't see this as a "TNA won!" thing. Although people are treating it as such and defending themselves with "If ECW won, you'd be gloating!" as if that makes it okay for them. If anything, this should open TNA's eyes. Why? Because there was 1.7 worth of people watching wrestling. TNA has been gettin 1.1 for about...forever. There are more wrestling fans out there, willing to watch on Thursday.
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Post by Limey on Dec 8, 2007 11:44:17 GMT -5
Wait, so Impact got higher ratings than the WWE because the WWE didn't advertise the change in dates enough and so it's not WWE's fault?
Is that what the general feeling is?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 8, 2007 11:47:08 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say there was no advertising for ecw on thrusday, from what I understand they mentioned it on ecw, raw and smackdown and it's on the website. Short of taking out large billboards what can you do? There was no mention on Smackdown. Raw had TWO twenty second commercials that mainly hyped the "Pick Your Poison" Match with a brief "On a Thursday edition" comment from the voiceover. The website? Yeah, on ECW.com...which is usually visited by...not many. Actually, I'd say those who went to the website were probably the people who already knew and already planned on watching. What can you do? How about this. Have people mention it ON AIR. "Jeff Hardy has a challenge against this Monster Snitsky. Snitsky, who came over here from ECW on the draft, has wrecked carnage since arriving." "Yeah, and with talk of monsters and ECW, who do you think CM Punk will pick to face this thursday night on ECW?" "I'd shudder to think of myself in his position against either Big Daddy V or Mark Henry, but let's get back to the match..." Wow. That was hard, wasn't it? Just have someone mention it on TV for goodness sake. Very true. ECW scored the same thing when it was moved to Saturday. Also, despite its flaws, if you start to watch something like TNA, you might want to watch it to the end. In my case, I was bored with another Christian/Angle "confrontation" and went to ECW. That's because...it's Raw. The number one show. The show that is treated as the "favorite child." The last time Raw was moved to Thursday (When everyone freaked out because TNA got "hammered") do you remember the main event? I do. Undertaker, Batista, John Cena, and Shawn Michaels vs. MVP, Kennedy, Randy Orton, and Edge. Are you kidding me? That...is...PACKED. ECW has already shown that it gets around a .6 when switching days, so it actually maintained its expected audience...as did TNA. I don't see this as a "TNA won!" thing. Although people are treating it as such and defending themselves with "If ECW won, you'd be gloating!" as if that makes it okay for them. If anything, this should open TNA's eyes. Why? Because there was 1.7 worth of people watching wrestling. TNA has been gettin 1.1 for about...forever. There are more wrestling fans out there, willing to watch on Thursday. They should open their eyes, but at least they didn't lose any viewers, which I think was a good thing for them. I don't think it's ok for anyone to do the whole "OMG TNA/ECW WON!!!111". And you said yourself with the choices this time around as opposed to February, I don't think it was hard to keep anyone from changing, as on TNA you have Booker/Angle/Christian/Nash/Joe and on ECW you have Punk/Big Daddy V/Henry/Miz/Morrison. I know some like them, but for me I know I'll choose TNA every time if those are the choices I'm faced with. Advertising did have a lot to do with it as ECW is the C show and WWE treats it as such, as it's the less important out of the brands.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 8, 2007 12:07:34 GMT -5
Jesus, can we have 1 victory that doesn't get crapped on? Please?! You wish. Even with everyone making excuses for ECW, the fact is, even with the time move (which I'm sure did play a factor), the Better show was on TNA. I still haven't watched ECW yet. The only thing I'm interested in is seeing Kofi's promo.
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 8, 2007 12:33:26 GMT -5
I really was expecting ECW to win or alteast a tie, but then I realized it was on Thursday and alot of the Tuesday people man not carry over. I still thought they would win, but damn. Its not really like anyone made a choice, just TNA kept the fans they already had.
Its pretty good news but Impact did come an hour before and ECW was on a different night that they only advertised like for five seconds on RAW. As long as TNA doesnt go on about it, and I dont think they will, thats cool. I mean I saw both and Impact was the better show last week.
Its a good victory but of course TNA fans gotta be all "OMGTNARULZWWEDEAD" and stuff. Then you get all the "OMGDOESNTMATTEREVERTNADEADNEXTYEAR". Like it just has to be one extreme or the other.
Yeah they talk like that...
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Post by poi zen rana on Dec 8, 2007 12:40:12 GMT -5
why are people acting like all the tna fans are bragging? i see more people making excuses for ecw than i do people bragging about tna winning.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 8, 2007 12:50:54 GMT -5
why are people acting like all the tna fans are bragging? i see more people making excuses for ecw than i do people bragging about tna winning. the same thread about this in WWE Current was the polar opposite of this one for a while.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 8, 2007 13:02:15 GMT -5
Whatever excuses/bragging fans of either show want to do, this is still a significant accomplishment for TNA. I wouldn't call it a "victory," but's it's a very good sign for them.
I still think their show sucks, though.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Dec 8, 2007 13:05:45 GMT -5
The sad thing is that this will probably air one day on WWE 24/7 as a special presentation talking about the 1 week Thursday Night War of 2007.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 8, 2007 13:13:58 GMT -5
TNA did the exact same 1.1 rating it's been doing for weeks, with no change despite being up against ECW. That suggests that TNA's audience is entirely made up of people who simply don't watch the WWE's C-show product. Compare that to when they tried to run on Monday night, and got stomped on with an embarassingly low rating going up against Raw.
To this point TNA is a failure plain and simple because it's never drawn a profit. They don't charge admission for the fans, their PPV buyrates started low and stayed there, the run infrequent house shows with meager crowds, and iirc under their deal with Spike they don't get any advertising revenue from their TV show. They sure as hell don't make decent money off their merchandise, comparing the WWE dvd sales to TNA's on places like Amazon. They've practically set themselves up to lose money, guaranteed.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 8, 2007 13:48:32 GMT -5
TNA did the exact same 1.1 rating it's been doing for weeks, with no change despite being up against ECW. That suggests that TNA's audience is entirely made up of people who simply don't watch the WWE's C-show product. Compare that to when they tried to run on Monday night, and got stomped on with an embarassingly low rating going up against Raw. To this point TNA is a failure plain and simple because it's never drawn a profit. They don't charge admission for the fans, their PPV buyrates started low and stayed there, the run infrequent house shows with meager crowds, and iirc under their deal with Spike they don't get any advertising revenue from their TV show. They sure as hell don't make decent money off their merchandise, comparing the WWE dvd sales to TNA's on places like Amazon. They've practically set themselves up to lose money, guaranteed. To be fair, I think the current word is they're finally breaking even and turning a small profit.
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Post by Mecca on Dec 8, 2007 13:50:03 GMT -5
TNA did the exact same 1.1 rating it's been doing for weeks, with no change despite being up against ECW. That suggests that TNA's audience is entirely made up of people who simply don't watch the WWE's C-show product. Compare that to when they tried to run on Monday night, and got stomped on with an embarassingly low rating going up against Raw. To this point TNA is a failure plain and simple because it's never drawn a profit. They don't charge admission for the fans, their PPV buyrates started low and stayed there, the run infrequent house shows with meager crowds, and iirc under their deal with Spike they don't get any advertising revenue from their TV show. They sure as hell don't make decent money off their merchandise, comparing the WWE dvd sales to TNA's on places like Amazon. They've practically set themselves up to lose money, guaranteed. To be fair, I think the current word is they're finally breaking even and turning a small profit. I'd honestly like to know how, they get low PPV buys.....I don't see where they have money coming in to cover everything.
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Post by JD Turk on Dec 8, 2007 14:24:06 GMT -5
Yaaayyy!!! WE WON!!! Lol, I had to say it, no matter hom inconsequential those ratings are, it just had to be said...especially since I think ECW is the worst wrestling program on television....
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 15:32:50 GMT -5
Ok... I've taken the time to read through this and here's my own opinion.
First off, I laughed when I read people saying on youtube comments "WWE lost to TNA! TNA is going to put WWE out of business!!!!!!!11!!!!" And then on here, I laughed that people refer to TNA getting .5 more on a night that ECW was hardly advertised to be on, was on an hour later than TNA started, and did I mention that it was designated for Tuesdays.... then they say 'we' won. That, right there is the sign of a TNA MARK. Immediately, anything posted in defense of TNA I took with a grain of salt because of their bias. If we had a thread every week about the Raw or Smackdown or ECW ratings, I would love to see everyone post '3.5!!! RAW killed TNA's rating!!!11!!1!!!' just to rub it in. But of course, WWE doesn't acknowledge TNA because they know TNA isn't competition to them. WWE knows almost anyone who they fire is immediatley prone to going to TNA to 'shoot' on them being the rich old company that hates wrestlers not named Triple-H or Batista or Cena. I like both brands alot, but it's just a fact that TNA is still getting 1.1's and didn't take away from the already low ECW viewership, seeing how they STILL got a 1.1 isn't really as much a victory as it is an accomplishment. They should at least be happy they didn't lose viewers to the WWE-C Brand, because then they'd have no response to a .7 for TNA and 1.3 for ECW. It's not a 'win', simply because WWE didn't treat it as competition... if they did, we would have seen 'ECW on Thursday! Don't forget!'. But we didn't, and ECW didn't get their usual rating because of it. Thats the truth, I see no real way to go against it, unless you're a TNA mark who thinks that TNA=Wrestling.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 15:34:36 GMT -5
Jesus, can we have 1 victory that doesn't get crapped on? Please?! haha
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 8, 2007 15:35:59 GMT -5
Ok... I've taken the time to read through this and here's my own opinion. First off, I laughed when I read people saying on youtube comments "WWE lost to TNA! TNA is going to put WWE out of business!!!!!!!11!!!!" And then on here, I laughed that people refer to TNA getting .5 more on a night that ECW was hardly advertised to be on, was on an hour later than TNA started, and did I mention that it was designated for Tuesdays.... then they say 'we' won. That, right there is the sign of a TNA MARK. Immediately, anything posted in defense of TNA I took with a grain of salt because of their bias. If we had a thread every week about the Raw or Smackdown or ECW ratings, I would love to see everyone post '3.5!!! RAW killed TNA's rating!!!11!!1!!!' just to rub it in. But of course, WWE doesn't acknowledge TNA because they know TNA isn't competition to them. WWE knows almost anyone who they fire is immediatley prone to going to TNA to 'shoot' on them being the rich old company that hates wrestlers not named Triple-H or Batista or Cena. I like both brands alot, but it's just a fact that TNA is still getting 1.1's and didn't take away from the already low ECW viewership, seeing how they STILL got a 1.1 isn't really as much a victory as it is an accomplishment. They should at least be happy they didn't lose viewers to the WWE-C Brand, because then they'd have no response to a .7 for TNA and 1.3 for ECW. It's not a 'win', simply because WWE didn't treat it as competition... if they did, we would have seen 'ECW on Thursday! Don't forget!'. But we didn't, and ECW didn't get their usual rating because of it. Thats the truth, I see no real way to go against it, unless you're a TNA mark who thinks that TNA=Wrestling. -metylerca I don't think that TNA=Wrestling. But if ECW goes down, it's a beesting on on the WWE. If Impact goes down, TNA will quickly follow suit, leaving no competition, and no reason for WWE to offer a better product.
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