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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 15:44:19 GMT -5
A lot of you guys are really splitting hairs, "It's not a 'victory' it's an 'accomplishment!'
Fine. It's an accomplishment for TNA.
The bottom line is that the TNA roster work their butts off, so they deserve a little good news every now and then.
Obviously all this "WE beat YOU!" stuff is silly unless you happen to be employed by one of the companies.
Even if it's nothing has changed in the long run, for once the better show got the better rating so I'm grateful for that.
To a young and struggling company, every accomplishment matters, just like every setback does.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 15:45:32 GMT -5
Ok... I've taken the time to read through this and here's my own opinion. First off, I laughed when I read people saying on youtube comments "WWE lost to TNA! TNA is going to put WWE out of business!!!!!!!11!!!!" And then on here, I laughed that people refer to TNA getting .5 more on a night that ECW was hardly advertised to be on, was on an hour later than TNA started, and did I mention that it was designated for Tuesdays.... then they say 'we' won. That, right there is the sign of a TNA MARK. Immediately, anything posted in defense of TNA I took with a grain of salt because of their bias. If we had a thread every week about the Raw or Smackdown or ECW ratings, I would love to see everyone post '3.5!!! RAW killed TNA's rating!!!11!!1!!!' just to rub it in. But of course, WWE doesn't acknowledge TNA because they know TNA isn't competition to them. WWE knows almost anyone who they fire is immediatley prone to going to TNA to 'shoot' on them being the rich old company that hates wrestlers not named Triple-H or Batista or Cena. I like both brands alot, but it's just a fact that TNA is still getting 1.1's and didn't take away from the already low ECW viewership, seeing how they STILL got a 1.1 isn't really as much a victory as it is an accomplishment. They should at least be happy they didn't lose viewers to the WWE-C Brand, because then they'd have no response to a .7 for TNA and 1.3 for ECW. It's not a 'win', simply because WWE didn't treat it as competition... if they did, we would have seen 'ECW on Thursday! Don't forget!'. But we didn't, and ECW didn't get their usual rating because of it. Thats the truth, I see no real way to go against it, unless you're a TNA mark who thinks that TNA=Wrestling. -metylerca I don't think that TNA=Wrestling. But if ECW goes down, it's a beesting on on the WWE. If Impact goes down, TNA will quickly follow suit, leaving no competition, and no reason for WWE to offer a better product. Exactly man! Awesome. Thats why I support TNA, because competition is a great thing for the wrestling business. It's just when dummies get a big head over such a small 'victory' that I get pissed off legit.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 15:47:03 GMT -5
A lot of you guys are really splitting hairs, "It's not a 'victory' it's an 'accomplishment!' Fine. It's an accomplishment for TNA. The bottom line is that the TNA roster work their butts off, so they deserve a little good news every now and then. Obviously all this "WE beat YOU!" stuff is silly unless you happen to be employed by one of the companies. Even if it's nothing has changed in the long run, for once the better show got the better rating so I'm grateful for that. To a young and struggling company, every accomplishment matters, just like every setback does. Point well taken. If only more people saw it that way. However, I hope i'm not in the minority that find the whole thing funny.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 15:50:52 GMT -5
It can be funny either way.
You can laugh that earning the same 1.1 rating they get every week is an accomplishment for TNA or you can laugh that a show produced by a multi-million dollar corporation scored even less than that.
I prefer to think of it as a pleasant surprise that more people watched the better show.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 15:56:52 GMT -5
It can be funny either way. You can laugh that earning the same 1.1 rating they get every week is an accomplishment for TNA or you can laugh that a show produced by a multi-million dollar corporation scored even less than that. I prefer to think of it as a pleasant surprise that more people watched the better show. I had TNA on in the background out of habit on Thursday while I was doing homework. I really forgot about ECW up until I was flipping channels through a commercial break. TNA did have a decent show this week, but still the Ladder Match on free-TV still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 8, 2007 16:19:25 GMT -5
Ok... I've taken the time to read through this and here's my own opinion. It's not a 'win', simply because WWE didn't treat it as competition... If you don't think Vince is going to be annoyed at this, you're seriously mistaken. Heck, WWE are treating TNA like a threat even though they aren't even close to being one. That's part of why they kept Carlito.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 16:25:22 GMT -5
If you don't think Vince is going to be annoyed at this, you're seriously mistaken. Heck, WWE are treating TNA like a threat even though they aren't even close to being one. Yup. Jarrett keeps saying that TNA gets at least one letter from WWE legal a week warning them to stop calling Christian "Captain Charisma" or not to call their wrestlers "superstars" or challenging TNA's trademarks. That's proof that Vince views everything as competition. That's why he treats TNA like a threat even though it isn't. He doesn't even like the idea of competition. He wants to keep his monopoly forever and ever.
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Post by slasher911 on Dec 8, 2007 16:29:26 GMT -5
Ok... I've taken the time to read through this and here's my own opinion. It's not a 'win', simply because WWE didn't treat it as competition... If you don't think Vince is going to be annoyed at this, you're seriously mistaken. Heck, WWE are treating TNA like a threat even though they aren't even close to being one. That's part of why they kept Carlito. Yeah, because Carlito is such a huge draw that the WWE will bend over backwards to keep him. Not like that Kurt Angle guy they let go, whoever he was...
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 8, 2007 16:31:30 GMT -5
If you don't think Vince is going to be annoyed at this, you're seriously mistaken. Heck, WWE are treating TNA like a threat even though they aren't even close to being one. That's part of why they kept Carlito. Yeah, because Carlito is such a huge draw that the WWE will bend over backwards to keep him. Not like that Kurt Angle guy they let go, whoever he was... They thought Kurt was going to die on their watch. That outwieghed any concern they had about him joining tna.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 16:34:41 GMT -5
They thought Kurt was going to die on their watch. That outwieghed any concern they had about him joining tna. That was Vince's story. Kurt asked for his release while WWE was pressuring Kurt to sign a 20 year contract. Kurt's story is that Vince wouldn't give him time off which Kurt felt was going to lead to him dying on their watch. When Kurt asked for his release, he lied to Vince's face and promised to resign with WWE after taking time off. That's why Vince didn't think Kurt would jump to TNA. I actually believe Kurt on this.
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Post by CrazySting on Dec 8, 2007 16:37:14 GMT -5
They thought Kurt was going to die on their watch. That outwieghed any concern they had about him joining tna. That was Vince's story. Kurt asked for his release while WWE was pressuring Kurt to sign a 20 year contract. Kurt's story is that Vince wouldn't give him time off which Kurt felt was going to lead to him dying on their watch. I actually believe Kurt on this. The same Kurt who admitted in an interview with wwe after it happened that he needed a painkiller just to get up and take out the garbage? And then two months later claimed he's been clean for 2 years? Taker, Rey, HBK..all get reduced schedules but Kurt can't? Kurt is full of crap.
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Post by casualobserver on Dec 8, 2007 16:41:19 GMT -5
Somehow, I don't think the Stamford, CT, offices are losing any sleep over their C-show getting edged by TNA's flagship show.
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Post by thestinger on Dec 8, 2007 16:42:10 GMT -5
I'll believe him over Vince any day.
Kurt says he asked Vince over and over for a reduced scheduale that Vince gave the others and he always said 'No, I need you right now.'
So I don't blame Kurt for promising Vince anything in order to get his release from his contract.
Vince was working Kurt to death. And look, he's still alive and putting on good matches a year later.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 8, 2007 16:49:04 GMT -5
I'll believe him over Vince any day. Kurt says he asked Vince over and over for a reduced scheduale that Vince gave the others and he always said 'No, I need you right now.' So I don't blame Kurt for promising Vince anything in order to get his release from his contract. Vince was working Kurt to death. And look, he's still alive and putting on good matches a year later. Kurt also said TNA was a year away from being a huge threat to WWE iirc. *rolls eyes*
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 8, 2007 16:51:02 GMT -5
Being a huge WWE and ECW fan as well as an ardent hater of TNA, I feel I can say this:
GOOD.
I'm glad.
Maybe this will inspire TNA to strive to be the best they can be and drop some of the more stupid bookings that have kept me from watching for six months now. Maybe this will inspire WWE to stop giving ECW a bunch of freakin' giants and actually have them have their own roster.
Is it a WWE loss or a TNA win? Meh, I don't care. All I hope is that it is an eye opener.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Dec 8, 2007 18:44:50 GMT -5
So .5 of a rating point in audience watches both TNA and ECW... and that .5 of people choose TNA over ECW. I'd say that's a bit impressive for a company that I would say has only been national for two years. However, TNA needs to grow their audience.. the longer they stay at the same level.. the easier it's going to be to start losing ratings.
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Post by biafra on Dec 8, 2007 18:52:03 GMT -5
Well, it IS good that TNA didn't lose an audience...no matter what the circumstance.
They should also see the .6 worth of people willing to watch wrestling on Thursday nights who AREN'T watching their product and try to figure out why....
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 8, 2007 21:49:54 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons people are trying to take away TNA's thunder is because of two things. They don't want to hear about random TNA shooters being idiots, and they don't want TNA to make a 4 week angle based on this fact.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 8, 2007 22:06:08 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons people are trying to take away TNA's thunder is because of two things. They don't want to hear about random TNA shooters being idiots, and they don't want TNA to make a 4 week angle based on this fact. Well, the first one is easily avoided, unless some people decide to post any of those type of videos here to make fun of them instead of ignoring them. However, I don't remember TNA ever bragging about this kinda stuff on air or making an angle out of this stuff. I figured there would be some kind of mention on the site, but nothing so far. Maybe it's somethng I didn't notice, and I need a refresher on it or something, unless it's just another way of phrasing all the shots TNA used to take on WWE. Then nevermind.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 8, 2007 22:10:57 GMT -5
I expect to hear "Thank you for making us the number one wrestling show last week!"
Then again, it was taped, so unless they specifically added it, it shouldn't be in there.
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