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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Dec 14, 2007 13:28:45 GMT -5
Lance Storm was right....this feast for fired crap makes no sense at all.
Why would anyone even want to compete in when if they won a brief case they would have a 25% chance of getting fired? I would rather earn a title shot the hard way and not risk getting fired at all.
and why would TNA want to reward someone who was able to win a briefcase by firing him? If you are good enough to beat out all the competition and walk away with a briefcase, doesn't that mean that it may be in TNA's best interest to keep this guy around instead of letting him go and join the competition?
I also hated how on impact they gave Steiner the right to sell his briefcase for $25,000 (or something like that) or trade his briefcase for someone else's.
#1) Why would he want to trade his briefcase? It doesn't matter what briefcase he has...they are all mystery cases. This isn't deal or no deal; there are only 4 cases. Its stupid.
#2) I hate when wrestlers wrestle for money prizes. I find no interest in it. If they win money, it doesn't effect me one way or another...especially since they probably don't even get to keep the money for real anyways. If they win belts, then that interests me because I have a new champion to watch defend his belt. Similarly I didn't care for the prize of the Turkey bowl at Thanksgiving. Again a money prize; and even worst, if you where the person pinned you got humiliated by wearing a turkey suit. I'm sorry, but I don't think its fair that someone makes it to the finals and looses and has to get humiliated while everyone who didn't make it to the finals walks away without any humiliation.
Sorry, I'm rambling here.
Basically my suggestion for next year would be; instead of one case containing a pink slip...just leave it empty. I don't think anyone should be punished for winning a match ever, but I do like the concept of the match.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 14, 2007 13:31:53 GMT -5
What if they changed money matches around a tad? Like they acted legit about it. Let's say TNA gives some guy a check for $50,000 but then the next time they do a money match, it's the same check from the last match. And they even make mention of not being able to afford to give so much cash out. So that guy has to fight for the right (no pun intended) to keep his money. But since he would've had that check for a while, he obviously would've spent some of the money. so instead of fighting for a check for $50,000, they're fighting for $42,779.87
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 14, 2007 13:32:25 GMT -5
It's a good gimmick for one night, but I still don't get why they didn't just let Senshi have the "loser" case and be done with it. Having Daniels get the case and then get (fake) fired is a really stupid plot twist IMHO.
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Post by B'Cup x on Dec 14, 2007 13:33:27 GMT -5
I agree completly.
And to your last point i had a similar idea that would work just as well as being fired but keep them in the company. 3 boxes contain title matches, the 4th however contrains a stipulation match to build up the monsters ie a bloody chamber of doom match against abyss.
This way it still has the "oh shit i dojnt want a case", it doesnt mean you have to do something stupid like lose a talent, it gets you a match for next ppv that people would care for and it builds up a monster as being, well a monster
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Post by iamthegamewjwf on Dec 14, 2007 13:40:15 GMT -5
It's a good gimmick for one night, but I still don't get why they didn't just let Senshi have the "loser" case and be done with it. Having Daniels get the case and then get (fake) fired is a really stupid plot twist IMHO. Yea, I thought thats what they where going to do. I wonder what they are going to do with Daniels. Someone said maybe bring him back as the Curry Man or something?
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Post by ghettooverlord on Dec 14, 2007 13:59:42 GMT -5
Deal or No Deal is the worst conceivable game show on the entire planet. Period. There is no debate to this. That's why I hate this Feast or Fired thing.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Dec 14, 2007 14:03:40 GMT -5
I agree that the Feast or Fired premise is really bad. If I were a wrestler, I would not want a case. Having a case means you could get fired... and theoretically if you were a good enough wrestler, you wouldn't need to win a title shot from this, because you would already be EARNING it. The only person in a kayfabe world that would benefit from a case would be some jobber who could never earn a title match any other way, and who would probably be fired anyway. Having a case would mean having little to lose.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 14, 2007 15:07:18 GMT -5
As a huge TNA fan I agree. This was a HORRIBLE gimmick and has made for some horrible TV and storylines that will lead to confusing endings. Daniels will be back on some level, NO ONE cares about BG JAMES except Jarret, and Petey is made into a joke character because god forbid someone is just talented.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 14, 2007 15:10:15 GMT -5
As a huge TNA fan I agree. This was a HORRIBLE gimmick and has made for some horrible TV and storylines that will lead to confusing endings. Daniels will be back on some level, NO ONE cares about BG JAMES except Jarret, and Petey is made into a joke character because god forbid someone is just talented. I honestly don't know why VKM is still employed. They're has-beens and Roxxi could probably get over on her own (which is supposed to be the point of having a seperate women's division, really.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 14, 2007 15:10:48 GMT -5
Deal or No Deal is the worst conceivable game show on the entire planet. Period. There is no debate to this. That's why I hate this Feast or Fired thing. K......I would say that several million people would have several thousand ways of debating this. So yes, there is a debate to that.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Dec 14, 2007 15:21:19 GMT -5
My personal favorite facet of this:
Petey Williams is now the defacto #1 contender. He has a guaranteed TNA World Title shot.
And in the match last night, he got pinned clean as a sheet by Scott Steiner.
Way to build up your contenders, TNA. This isn't ROH, where most of the roster looks credible because of smart booking; Petey Williams hasn't had credibility since Team Canada got 86'ed, what, two years ago?
Jed Shaffer ~Apparently, Russo is on some "pick a random X-Division guy and give him a World Title shot" kick.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Dec 14, 2007 15:23:35 GMT -5
Why even have Scott Steiner get the case for the X-Division title?
This belt is more of a turkey platter now than ever.
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Post by humorousled on Dec 14, 2007 15:30:09 GMT -5
This storyline makes no sense at all and stuff like this is driving me crazy. I am a big TNA fan and I believe in TNA and I want the company to grow and succeed. Booking like this doesn't help the company in the long term. This storyline and the Samoa Joe storyline does nothing but take up time and waste the better performers in the company. Daniels is one of TNA's first stars and Samoa Joe should be competing for the title and ideally winning it. The feast or fired angle and the Samoa Joe vs. the veterans is pointless and it isn't working. However, I like the new gimmick for Petey because he is doing a good job getting it over with some humor and his mannerisms during his promos. Simplify storylines and TNA will grow more over the long term.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 14, 2007 15:41:52 GMT -5
Lance Storm was right....this feast for fired crap makes no sense at all. Why would anyone even want to compete in when if they won a brief case they would have a 25% chance of getting fired? I would rather earn a title shot the hard way and not risk getting fired at all. This demonstrates how badly every wrestler in the locker room wants to be champion; they're willing to risk their job entirely. and why would TNA want to reward someone who was able to win a briefcase by firing him? If you are good enough to beat out all the competition and walk away with a briefcase, doesn't that mean that it may be in TNA's best interest to keep this guy around instead of letting him go and join the competition? To that, I say simply that the angle is not over yet. The fact that it was Daniels that was fired should be of significance. It's probably going to be a backdoor push. I also hated how on impact they gave Steiner the right to sell his briefcase for $25,000 (or something like that) or trade his briefcase for someone else's. #1) Why would he want to trade his briefcase? It doesn't matter what briefcase he has...they are all mystery cases. This isn't deal or no deal; there are only 4 cases. Its stupid. It's a matter of probability. There are four cases, and Steiner specifically wanted the World Title shot. Also, he was essentially given two "choices." The first was during the match, and the second was after he won the right to trade. There are four outcomes: - He was right, but switched to wrong. (1/4)*(3/4) = 3/16
- He was wrong, but switched to right. (3/4)*(1/4) = 3/16
- He was right, and stick. (1/4)*(1/4) = 1/16
- He was wrong, but stuck. (3/4)*(3/4) = 9/16
So in all likelihood his first briefcase was not the one he wanted, and sticking with it would not help matters. #2) I hate when wrestlers wrestle for money prizes. I find no interest in it. If they win money, it doesn't effect me one way or another...especially since they probably don't even get to keep the money for real anyways. If they win belts, then that interests me because I have a new champion to watch defend his belt. The cash prize was a way to build suspense. They were building to Steiner trading his case for a pink slip, when he could have just kept his job and gotten $50,000 for winning a match. It was like the girl that got away, right up until Daniels was fired. It was a true swerve, whether you admit it or not, because it went against conventional dramatic story telling. Similarly I didn't care for the prize of the Turkey bowl at Thanksgiving. Again a money prize; and even worst, if you where the person pinned you got humiliated by wearing a turkey suit. I'm sorry, but I don't think its fair that someone makes it to the finals and looses and has to get humiliated while everyone who didn't make it to the finals walks away without any humiliation. It's like RVD at Raw XV. Harmless fun at the expense of a heel.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Dec 14, 2007 15:43:20 GMT -5
Why even have Scott Steiner get the case for the X-Division title? This belt is more of a turkey platter now than ever. Cause Scotty 2 Roidy going after the X Title and Petey "Refugee From Oz" Williams going after the Heavyweight Title is a SWERVE! SWERVZ EKWALZ TEH MONEEZ!!! Jed Shaffer ~And meanwhile, we get C-Dan being taken off TV AGAIN, for probably ANOTHER gimmick re-tooling. Yippie.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Dec 14, 2007 15:44:50 GMT -5
Deal or No Deal is the worst conceivable game show on the entire planet. Period. There is no debate to this. That's why I hate this Feast or Fired thing. K......I would say that several million people would have several thousand ways of debating this. So yes, there is a debate to that. How in God's name can one find interest in a game show where there is zero skill involved? A paper, rock, scissors competition has more skill than that game.
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Dec 14, 2007 15:46:37 GMT -5
K......I would say that several million people would have several thousand ways of debating this. So yes, there is a debate to that. How in God's name can one find interest in a game show where there is zero skill involved? A paper, rock, scissors competition has more skill than that game. It's about watching stupid people try and decide between common sense and greed. Usually greed wins, and they go home with subway fare. From a schadenfreude standpoint, it's quite fun. Jed Shaffer ~They need to bring back 1 vs. 100. That show was AWESOME.
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Post by Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You on Dec 14, 2007 15:47:42 GMT -5
How in God's name can one find interest in a game show where there is zero skill involved? A paper, rock, scissors competition has more skill than that game. It's about watching stupid people try and decide between common sense and greed. Usually greed wins, and they go home with subway fare. From a schadenfreude standpoint, it's quite fun. Jed Shaffer ~They need to bring back 1 vs. 100. That show was AWESOME. Agreed on both counts.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 14, 2007 16:37:12 GMT -5
i just want to know if there was any way they could have dragged that crap out longer last night
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 14, 2007 16:40:16 GMT -5
K......I would say that several million people would have several thousand ways of debating this. So yes, there is a debate to that. How in God's name can one find interest in a game show where there is zero skill involved? A paper, rock, scissors competition has more skill than that game. No skill involved in deciding what sort of odds you have in actually winning a higher amount than you are being offered? Seems like a lot of math involved there which would in fact require some sort of skill.
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