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Post by strykerdarksilence on Jan 1, 2008 19:46:57 GMT -5
It was an incredibly entertaining romp, a guilty pleasure.
The wrestling was not the quality of ROH, the crazy spots of Chikara, the gritty (attempted) alternatism of TNA or the showmanship of WWE, but it had something that made it special, its whole package was just...different. Just....fun!
Thats my two pence on the matter anyway.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 1, 2008 19:51:12 GMT -5
I got it for what it was. Which was a wrestling show treated like a normal TV program with an even faker audience than most live audiences. And tons of fake effects.
But I didn't "get it" in the meaning of what Mr. Burgan was attempting to compare it to. Which by the way, is terrifyingly erroneous, especially since i "got" Freaks and Geeks and Firefly, and comparing WSX to those is only correct if you act on the assumption that all of them had CG effects.
...and that's a damn big assumption regarding Freaks and Geeks cause I don't know why you'd need CGI to represent the 80s
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 1, 2008 19:52:41 GMT -5
I loved it. Was it a spotfest? Bet your ass, but it was entertaining. Constant stream of action, ridiculous hardcore matches (Exploding everything, piranhas?!), and more 450s and SSPs than, well, ANYTHING!
It was just fun farce. It wasn't supposed to be serious. It was light, goofy, and pure entertainment.
Plus you had MDogg 20, Teddy Hart, Matt Sydal, X-Pac, Jack Evans, Doin' It For Her, and That 70's Team. Really fun stuff. I have to pick up the DVD.
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Post by Stu on Jan 1, 2008 19:55:27 GMT -5
Why is this an announcement?
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Post by Captain Wonderful on Jan 1, 2008 20:00:46 GMT -5
Why is this an announcement? And why have three people asked this question in two pages? YAY FOR NOT READING PREVIOUS POSTS |
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Post by The Line on Jan 1, 2008 20:02:58 GMT -5
Why is this an announcement? And why have three people asked this question in two pages? YAY FOR NOT READING PREVIOUS POSTS Maybe because, yanno, people are curious as to why? |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 1, 2008 20:05:52 GMT -5
I liked it. At the very least it was something new. It was kind of like a post-modern take on wrestling where it was admited to be a tv show and you had gimmicks like Matt Classic was brillant. Sadly I think that kind of stuff went over peoples heads
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 20:08:15 GMT -5
I liked it. At the very least it was something new. It was kind of like a post-modern take on wrestling where it was admited to be a tv show and you had gimmicks like Matt Classic was brillant. Sadly I think that kind of stuff went over peoples heads Maybe it did go over some people's heads, but still there was no way that it was going to get far. Especially when the people watching can't meet and see their favorites live. I'm sure it was good for a payday for some of the guys, but it didn't stand a chance of lasting. |
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Post by samachine on Jan 1, 2008 20:11:25 GMT -5
I liked it. At the very least it was something new. It was kind of like a post-modern take on wrestling where it was admited to be a tv show and you had gimmicks like Matt Classic was brillant. Sadly I think that kind of stuff went over peoples heads Maybe it did go over some people's heads, but still there was no way that it was going to get far. Especially when the people watching can't meet and see their favorites live. I'm sure it was good for a payday for some of the guys, but it didn't stand a chance of lasting. Because you think that? Seriously, you don't think WSX had a chance of lasting, but things like Sweet 16, Jackass, Wild Boyz, Mind of Mencia, last? I get that you don't like it, but I don't get how you can say it had no staying power. That's like saying CHIKARA has no staying power because it's too goofy. Look at HUSTLE, I bet you if that was in America people would be saying it was 'stupid', trash' etc, and yet it's one of hte biggest promotions in Japan. You know in the 90s when people saw ECW they saw 'garbage wrestling' and 'spot fests' until they took the time to watch it, you do know that right? WSX had it's flaws, but I totally got it. It's the same way a trailer gets you into something, it did what TNA couldn't, when TNA only had a hour, WSX mashed a ton of wrestling, with some short promos, into a small slot and made it work. It was supposed to be chaotic, it was supposed to be wild. It was an action show of wrestling, that's why it was a Season and not done like WWE or TNA, because they were showing it off as a TV show. Honestly, that last point is the thing I don't think that people get about WSX, and I think most(not all) people who complain about WSX watched one episode and went in with the mentality 'It's MTV/Vampiro/X-Pac so I'm gonna hate it' |
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 1, 2008 20:13:29 GMT -5
Again I liked it because it seemed to be the next logical step for wrestling which is to go from a live faux sporting event that aires it's live events each week to a tv show that features wrestling related programs.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 20:15:44 GMT -5
Maybe it did go over some people's heads, but still there was no way that it was going to get far. Especially when the people watching can't meet and see their favorites live. I'm sure it was good for a payday for some of the guys, but it didn't stand a chance of lasting. Because you think that? Seriously, you don't think WSX had a chance of lasting, but things like Sweet 16, Jackass, Wild Boyz, Mind of Mencia, last? I get that you don't like it, but I don't get how you can say it had no staying power. That's like saying CHIKARA has no staying power because it's too goofy. Look at HUSTLE, I bet you if that was in America people would be saying it was 'stupid', trash' etc, and yet it's one of hte biggest promotions in Japan. You know in the 90s when people saw ECW they saw 'garbage wrestling' and 'spot fests' until they took the time to watch it, you do know that right? Well, it was just my opinion I was stating if you disagree that's completely fine by me. I don't watch HUSTLE or CHIKARA and have seen clips of those and I find those two promotions rather silly and not worth my time as well. So I'm definitely not playing favorites if that's what you are wondering. People saw ECW and after they watched it, some still thought it was "garbage wrestling " and "spotfests" afterwards. It's their right if they still think so. I don't think WSX had staying power, you may disagree, but that's my opinion on it. And if it had, it'd still be around in some capacity. Also, why is this an annoucement that it needed a sticky thread? It's not like it was ever that important. |
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 1, 2008 20:16:12 GMT -5
Again I liked it because it seemed to be the next logical step for wrestling which is to go from a live faux sporting event that aires it's live events each week to a tv show that features wrestling related programs. It was truly a "sports-entertainment" show, not a wrestling show. It made it more accessible to people who were not already fans, and wouldn't really consider themselves big fans. EDIT: I mean, when you have an "Exploding Cage Match", it's gonna turn some heads. |
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Post by samachine on Jan 1, 2008 20:21:35 GMT -5
Because you think that? Seriously, you don't think WSX had a chance of lasting, but things like Sweet 16, Jackass, Wild Boyz, Mind of Mencia, last? I get that you don't like it, but I don't get how you can say it had no staying power. That's like saying CHIKARA has no staying power because it's too goofy. Look at HUSTLE, I bet you if that was in America people would be saying it was 'stupid', trash' etc, and yet it's one of hte biggest promotions in Japan. You know in the 90s when people saw ECW they saw 'garbage wrestling' and 'spot fests' until they took the time to watch it, you do know that right? Well, it was just my opinion I was stating if you disagree that's completely fine by me. I don't watch HUSTLE or CHIKARA and have seen clips of those and I find those two promotions rather silly and not worth my time as well. So I'm definitely not playing favorites if that's what you are wondering. People saw ECW and after they watched it, some still thought it was "garbage wrestling " and "spotfests" afterwards. It's their right if they still think so. I don't think WSX had staying power, you may disagree, but that's my opinion on it. And if it had, it'd still be around in some capacity. Also, why is this an annoucement that it needed a sticky thread? It's not like it was ever that important. WSX was taken off the air because of the 'fireball incident', has nothing to do with it's staying power. |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 1, 2008 20:21:51 GMT -5
I liked some of the concepts and characters of WSX, but I really don't like spotfests, and some of the ridiculous gimmicks there. I hate it in WWE, TNA or whenever when they have ridiculous things where there's no plausiable way it can happen. I'll suspend my disbelief when I watch wrestling, but only to a certain point (ie. Hornswoggle running through the hole in the wall). The thing with WSX was, that was the entire show.
I felt it had potential, but it seemed like it was, well, MTV's version of wrestling to be honest. All style, and no substance. If it was booked outside of MTV, I think it would have had potential. I liked a lot of the characters on the show. Like, in ROH and other indies, it sucks that they don't have characters generally. But with WSX, there were a lot of guys who weren't generic. So I do wish WSX would get back on television, but not in the way it was presented on MTV.
I do have to edit this. When thinking again, I realize that the spotfests weren't really the fault of the people at WSX. They only had a half hour of wrestling, so what could one do. They had three matches, and they had to try to get all their shit in to make themselves get over. So like, the spotfests are understandable. And again, they had great characters. I really love the dark type characters like Ricky Bandaras/Judas Mesias, Vampiro and others. I like the comedy and goofy characters like That 70s Team, D.I.F.H. and Matt Classic. I like the cool characters like Human Tornado, Jack Evans and the Filth and the Fury. I liked how, despite a lot of the lacking of substance, they actually had pop culturally relevant characters. But again, bling ladders and all the exploding nonsense is what I hated about it. Again, all style and no substance.
I believe if WSX was taken in a different direction, it would be successful. Hell, a lot of the people on this fourm know a lot of the WSX roster from their other indy work. And as a matter of fact, I liked how they were able to showcase a lot of indy talent who wouldn't have gotten the chance. But again, all style, no substance.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 1, 2008 20:22:04 GMT -5
Again I liked it because it seemed to be the next logical step for wrestling which is to go from a live faux sporting event that aires it's live events each week to a tv show that features wrestling related programs. It was truly a "sports-entertainment" show, not a wrestling show. It made it more accessible to people who were not already fans, and wouldn't really consider themselves big fans. EDIT: I mean, when you have an "Exploding Cage Match", it's gonna turn some heads. you mean "Exploding" Cage Match, since the "explosions" were sweetened through the magic of Adobe Premiere |
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Jan 1, 2008 20:25:47 GMT -5
It was truly a "sports-entertainment" show, not a wrestling show. It made it more accessible to people who were not already fans, and wouldn't really consider themselves big fans. EDIT: I mean, when you have an "Exploding Cage Match", it's gonna turn some heads. you mean "Exploding" Cage Match, since the "explosions" were sweetened through the magic of Adobe Premiere Still gonna turn heads. Still gonna make people tune in. Yes, it looked totally ridiculous, but that was part of the deal. It was so over the top. |
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 1, 2008 20:27:30 GMT -5
you mean "Exploding" Cage Match, since the "explosions" were sweetened through the magic of Adobe Premiere Still gonna turn heads. Still gonna make people tune in. Yes, it looked totally ridiculous, but that was part of the deal. It was so over the top. Surprisingly it made me not tune in. Wonder why that was. Oh right cause they showed the explosion in the preview, I saw how totally bullcrap that looked, laughed, and decided it wasn't worth my time. Seriously, they treated it like it was a TV show. If I wanted an over the top program that had wrestling on it that was a TV show, i'd watch Ultimate MUSCLE |
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 1, 2008 20:30:42 GMT -5
Well, it was just my opinion I was stating if you disagree that's completely fine by me. I don't watch HUSTLE or CHIKARA and have seen clips of those and I find those two promotions rather silly and not worth my time as well. So I'm definitely not playing favorites if that's what you are wondering. People saw ECW and after they watched it, some still thought it was "garbage wrestling " and "spotfests" afterwards. It's their right if they still think so. I don't think WSX had staying power, you may disagree, but that's my opinion on it. And if it had, it'd still be around in some capacity. Also, why is this an annoucement that it needed a sticky thread? It's not like it was ever that important. WSX was taken off the air because of the 'fireball incident', has nothing to do with it's staying power. If that one incident can stop the promotion, then I'd say it did. To each his own I guess. Plus the whole thing would've probably gotten old by the 6-8 month point. |
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 1, 2008 20:32:07 GMT -5
I liked it. I mean, Tables, Ladders, and Cervesas. Matt Classic. Dragongate getting brainwashed. Jimmy Jacobs and Tyler Black, the emo tag team. And, explosions. Explosions! EXPLOSIONS!!!!
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Jan 1, 2008 20:32:40 GMT -5
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