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Post by EvilShadow76 on Jan 17, 2008 9:10:20 GMT -5
I knew I couldn't post something on here without someone responding like this. Sorry if I'm not brain dead enough to buy Cena as a "great" performer. I'm gonna ignore the fact that I hate the Cena character for a second. Taking away my hatred for the character...the guy just isn't any good. The moves he does do look horrible (he can't even throw a punch) and his regular moveset looks very fake and flat out pathetic at times. I think they really got worried when the bigger stars all left and that's why they decided on this guy. They could have found anyone else, pushed them to the moon, and would have been just as successful with him. There's nothing special about Cena. He'll never be as big as they would like him to be...no matter how much they force him on the public. Thats full of so much BS. Cena has something called the "IT" factor. Go to a live show or an autograph signing, he is OVER! His merchandise sells, his matches are good. The FU in my eyes, has looked a lot better recently, and his STF-U was improving as well. But, thats right I forgot, he cant do a 720 splash or a springboard Shooting star press, so he cant work! Sorry... |
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Post by Paul Is Deadpool R.I.P on Jan 17, 2008 9:13:04 GMT -5
I knew I couldn't post something on here without someone responding like this. Sorry if I'm not brain dead enough to buy Cena as a "great" performer. Thats full of so much BS. Cena has something called the "IT" factor. Go to a live show or an autograph signing, he is OVER! His merchandise sells, his matches are good. The FU in my eyes, has looked a lot better recently, and his STF-U was improving as well. But, thats right I forgot, he cant do a 720 splash or a springboard Shooting star press, so he cant work! Sorry... You dont have to be Brain Dead. Let me take a guess, You also dont like Hogan, Undertaker, Bret Hart, or anyone who does Five Moves? |
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Post by Baixo Astral on Jan 17, 2008 9:15:54 GMT -5
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 17, 2008 9:18:27 GMT -5
Most of us pretty much agreed in another thread that Cena, despite only being in the WWE for 6 years, is already a bigger household name than HHH and HBK. I don't see how that's "meaning nothing to the public" but oh well.
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Post by doytch on Jan 17, 2008 9:33:01 GMT -5
john cena had best wrestler in wwe for this time. nobody will beat him. fu and 123 matches end that way. if you dont get me real just watch!
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Post by Topher is Human on Jan 17, 2008 9:42:45 GMT -5
john cena had best wrestler in wwe for this time. nobody will beat him. fu and 123 matches end that way. if you dont get me real just watch! I don't care much for Cena at all, and he bores me endlessly... but I can't argue with that |
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Squirrel Master
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jan 17, 2008 10:02:40 GMT -5
Strong as an ox with great intensity. Cena is a great brawler but booked wrong IMO, he's made to cater to the kiddie demographic a bit much.
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Post by Jtre on Jan 17, 2008 10:54:01 GMT -5
How can someone make the argument that John Cena was not over because part of the crowd booed him?
Does that mean Hogan wasn't over during the NWO era?
I have seen Cena live three times in the past year or so, and the almost the entire crowd was standing for the whole match, and they didn't shut up until he was back behind the curtain.
The dueling chants thing doesn't start prior to his entrance, but rather two hours before the show starts.
You go to the merchandise stand prior to the show and they are filled with his shirts, hats, belts, etc. Check at the end of the night, and there is significantly less, if any at all.
The guy is over.
As far as Cena's in-ring ability, 2007 Umaga, Khali, Lashley and Orton have their best of the year (or in all cases except Orton, the best of their careers) with John Cena. With him being the common denominator, it is fair to say that John Cena can have a good match with just about anyone.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jan 17, 2008 11:10:17 GMT -5
Who'd have thought that this thread would start to turn nasty? Yes, that's right... rolling eyes. Oh, it's on now!  |
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Post by Ken Ivory on Jan 17, 2008 11:19:38 GMT -5
Who'd have thought that this thread would start to turn nasty? Yes, that's right... rolling eyes. Oh, it's on now!  "No, it's not on. It's off." |
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Post by joeman on Jan 17, 2008 12:51:48 GMT -5
The problem with Cena is that he in an era where fans would rather see a badass rather than a boyscout fighting the odds. Sometimes marks catch on to smarks chants about his bad wrestling skills when it isn't even in the case. He has nice psychology in matches, but I admit that his moveset looks a bit sloppy, especially when he does the Buff Blockbuster or the Sicilian Slice(I do give him credit for attempting these moves). Cena has a great look and is great at the mic, but I think it would be best if they continued with what they were doing with the character in 2007 rather than in 2005-06 since that was the time where it took an Edge spear three times to be put down. Nobody wants to see an unstoppable character being played by a guy who isn't built like Lashley or isn't as talented as Bret Hart.
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Post by Nuka Cola on Jan 17, 2008 13:37:18 GMT -5
While i'm not a John Cena fan i respect the guy, over the last few years he's put on some great matches and he seems to be a class act outside of the ring. My main problem with him was holding the title for so long and his character.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2008 13:47:48 GMT -5
Pretty much the same way I view Hogan- meaning that while there's usually other people on the roster I enjoy more, I don't have a significant problem with him being the company torchbearer.
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Post by The Hardcore Disciple on Jan 17, 2008 14:24:24 GMT -5
My thoughts on Cena are as such.
I am not going to dock the man for what creative does to him. He's evolved on the mic. His big problem is the nearly contiguous run he had with the WWE title before his injury, and the fact that if he didn't hold the title, he was going for the title. The Superman, take-out-all-comers aspect of it really smacked of Hogan booking, and I freakin' loathe Hogan. Hell, even Hogan took some wicked beatings in his time to make him seem somewhat human. That grated on my nerves quite a bit, but that's not his fault.
The one thing that irks me about his in-ring is this: he has Five Moves of Doom. We all know this. Some of the best in the business had Five Moves of Doom. Bret Hart's WWF run originated the term, for God's sake! But here's the problem with Cena--he doesn't space those signature moves out at all. In most of his matches, he burns through the arsenal in one sequence. The Rock might not have been the greatest wrestler, but he did a few things the crowd popped for, and he spread them throughout the match well, making the match more dramatic. That's something I think Cena should work on.
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Franchise
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Post by Franchise on Jan 17, 2008 14:30:53 GMT -5
While I am not a fan of either Cena's in-ring talents or promos, he does what the WWE wanted him to do: get over with the kids. The WWE is marketing more and more towards a children's audience, and Cena sells merch and PPV's to kids. That is why he's been on top for all this time. The same is true of the Hornswoggle angle: I personally despise it; I think it's the stupidest angle WWE has come up with in a long, LONG time. But it does what it's supposed to do: get Hornswoggle over with the kids.
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Post by krzykraka on Jan 17, 2008 14:59:21 GMT -5
Heel Cena was always more entertaining than face Cena. However,he does move merchandise more than anyone since Austin or The Rock.
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Post by NOwave on Jan 17, 2008 16:14:57 GMT -5
I'm torn about Cena. He is reasonably entertaining, but more to kids than adults.
He's not a great technical wrestler, but he seems to work hard at it and is getting better. He held in ok with Shawn Micheals in the 60 minute match on Raw a few months back. I realize Shawn was the leader in that match, But i don't think Cena held him back significantly.
It sure seems like he'd be more interesting as a bad-ass heel, than a rappin' kiddie toy.
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Post by Rest easy big bro on Jan 17, 2008 16:28:40 GMT -5
While im being a bit kayfabish, i will always hate his character for turning this  into this  i still dont understand why it was'nt changed back to normal, now granted other wrestlers have changed the look of the belt IE: austin to the smoking skull, but after awhile it was changed back, where as we are quite a few months removed form cena's title reign and yet the belt looks the same and the statement it makes to me is that ignore the guy who has the belt right now he is just holding on to it until cena comes back and wins it agian. |
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Post by Dynamic Dee on Jan 17, 2008 16:38:15 GMT -5
Cena consistently has good matches and he has some charisma. I like him. He should have better finishers though. I would've rather had him just do the F5 instead since his whole initial push was during the time where he was trying to get revenge against Brock. He should also watch more tapes of Masahiro Chono so that the STFU looks better.
The booking during his first title run was no fault of his own. He was made to look too unbeatable and some fans got really tired of that. There is nothing wrong with a top face losing a non title match or getting beat down in a handicap match but he was made to look like nothing can stop him. Thats pretty unrealistic and got some backlash. I think the Edge and Orton feuds worked better for him and made him look more vulnerable. Another problem is that his stuff on the mic seems too scripted and the comedy forced. Just let him go out and be himself.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2008 16:38:51 GMT -5
i still dont understand why it was'nt changed back to normal, now granted other wrestlers have changed the look of the belt IE: austin to the smoking skull, but after awhile it was changed back, where as we are quite a few months removed form cena's title reign and yet the belt looks the same and the statement it makes to me is that ignore the guy who has the belt right now he is just holding on to it until cena comes back and wins it agian. My theory so far? They're too lazy right now to finalize a new design. |
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