Cena Pissed Off With The Rock

[bigdaddyfive]

"John Cena? Well I ain't "Cena-one" by that name as this party! Now shut your damn mouth!"

[happygilmore]

I haven't read all 13 pages, but I gotta defend the Rock here. I agree with MGH about Rock coming back and working with Lesnar, Hurricane, etc.

Rock does love wrestling, but there's no real reason for him to come back. His time came, he was a top guy, and there's nothing left for him to do. He's been the champion like, 7 times, made as much money as he can, been a tag champ, IC champ, headlined Mania. He's got acting to fulfill his time and financial obligations. If he were to come back it'd solely be for money, and I'm certain he can make in one film what he could possibly get in a one year contract with Vince.

[ItsaSantino]

Once again...


Kayfabe Interview. It's setting up a potential program.

I'm surprised with how unaware of this most of you are

[bigdaddyfive]

itsasantino said:

Once again...


Kayfabe Interview. It's setting up a potential program.

I'm surprised with how unaware of this most of you are

IF this is the route they take, they should begin a slow, simmering one-year build-up, culminating in a match at WM25. Make it real personal, get it in the media etc.

[funkycoldmadina]

I just read the first page, havent sifted through the other 12 pages. All I gotta say is I agree with the ones who say he owes us nothing. I mean look at it this way, when you get your first job at a company, it gets your foot in the door. You move on up in the company. Then you decide to change to a different job. Should you still go back to your old job and work occasionally just to please others? Its called life people. The man has a family to take care of, not to mention himself. Just because you dream of doing something doesn't mean that should consume your whole life. I don't hear people knocking Brian Pillman for switching from football to wrestling. Or for that matter Kurt Angle from switching from olympic style wrestling to professional wrestling. People change careers, thats called life. Are you going to tell me that if Warren Buffett called you up and offered you a job making 250,000 a year doing something else youre good at, that you would tell him no, I'm loyal to McDonalds and my 8 dollar an hour job because they got me where I'm at today! Bullshit.

[HRH The KING]

Definite kayfabe interview

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

The only problem with the idea of a kayfabe is
A) it has to set up for something. And the Rock is only returning at either Summerslam or WM. So that means, at the earliest, we're talking 6 months. That seems way out there even for the WWE.

B) Cena will have to be the heel, and I really can't see WWE doing that. They love face Cena too much. If the WWE thinks anyone will cheer Cena they're mistaken. Not to mention any feud has to have Cena going over, and if you thought the backlash in 2005 was bad, just wait for this.

It may have been slightly in character, but it won't lead anywhere if WWE is smart.

[pegasuswarrior]

hawk405359 said:

pegasuswarrior said:

What's it gotten him? Well, undying respect for one. Something The Rock has none of, as far as this person's concerned.

Because undying respect makes everything better when they wake up every day hurting, spend nearly no time with their families, and die young? And it manifests itself with crowds who eventually yawn during the monthly "special appearance?"

If it takes doing irreparable damage to your body to gain "respect" from some wrestling fans, I say smurf 'em. Why should a guy have to kill himself week in and week out for fans with an entitlement complex? Those fans aren't handing him his paycheck, and they're not making it worthwhile for him to miss their family most of the year, and, odds are, half of them are crapping on whatever they do.

Arbitrary respect of a few faceless fans is hardly equal compensation for a person's family and physical life.

See sports entertainment comment you forgot to include in your quote.

No one wants to see anyone get hurt (unless they are garbage wrestling idiots), but wrestling fans are flat out dumb if they think someone can come away from this business without pain. You can't have it both ways. I'm a wrestling fan, and unlike some people on these boards, I recognize they ALL hurt. Instead of ingrates like I see all around me, I prefer to show my respect to those who love WRESTLING and not these fly-by-nighters who appease a general audience while the guys who understand what wrestling is all about roll on. They ALL hurt, so turning your back on those who have done it all their lives and calling them stupid makes me want to puke my guts out. That is exactly what these politically correct, sports entertainment double-talkers have successfully (somehow) made a majority of so-called smarks buy into. It's still WRESTLING to a lot of workers out there, not tiddly winks. So, as far as I'm concerned, those fairweather fans out there who praise guys like The Rock at the expense of those like Mick Foley can go take a flying swanton off a building for all I care.

I've had a successful run at sports in my day. I've played (and continue to play) for the love AND RESPECT of the game. I hurt every time I raise my arm perpendicular to my body frame, It HURTS. If I try to go beyond the point of perpendicular, it's pretty much unbearable. But I have something that no casual pick-up gamers have. It's unfortunate that my arm sucks, but every time it hurts it's a timestamp and a memory of what I've had that armchair fantasy baseball owners will never know. And I've got a lot of people who remember what I put into the game, which again is more than I can say for fly-by-nighters who live by the motto "what could've been."

So yeah, you're *insert unnecessary expletive here* right it makes it better to wake up hurting rather than to have sat on the sidelines with your faux sense of pride because you've got sheep following you around due to your look and entertainment ability. Some people can live with that, and that's the same as how some people COULDN'T if they didn't put their lives into something that MATTERED to THEM in the long run.

I will say that yes, there comes a time to hang it up. It's naive not to acknowledge that. I'm not saying there isn't. But if you can still go, hey, you learn that pain is a part of it, and I respect a guy who can bump WILLINGLY and for the love of wrestling (yes, it exists, despite smark disbelief) a lot more than someone who gets more notoriety for jumping ship early when they weren't, in fact, ever good enough to tie the other guy's wrestling boots.

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

You had me until you said Rock can't lace Cena's boots.

I'm sorry, never once do i remember being bored watching the Rock or groaning when he screws up for the upteenth time. Cena never quite seems to be consistent enough and, as evidenced by his two recent snorefests with Orton, cannot make a match good on his own. The Rock could do that.

It's fine to not respect the Rock for what he did, but don't try to say Cena is that much better than him.

[MolotovMocktail]

Again, haven't read all 13 pages, but:

I am not mad at The Rock for "selling out." He is obviously still appreciative of WWE and wrestling fans, as he has made this known every time he is asked about it. JR also backs this up regularly on his blog (which is completely independent of WWE oversight, and where he will openly criticize some elements of the company).

I am mad that he chose to leave during the time he did, and without a proper passing of the torch. Rocky was the heir to Steve Austin, so when Austin left, having Rock around softened the blow and allowed another charismatic, talented wrestler to slip into his place and carry the company. That's why WWE remained entertaining throughout the early stages of the roster split and allowed respectable main events. He even made Goldberg watchable! When he gave up, there was nobody to succeed him, and WWE floundered without a hot babyface to represent the company, until they settled on Cena, who has given us the same old crap every week. Whether you love Cena or hate him, it's quite clear he's nowhere near the level as The Rock, and nobody (with the possible exception of Jericho, who will get nothing resembling a push) on the roster will reach that either.

It's the same as when Hogan first left. Even Bret and Shawn, for all their talent, didn't pull people in to watch the WWF in droves.

[pegasuswarrior]

evilmasterbetty said:

You had me until you said Rock can't lace Cena's boots.

I'm sorry, never once do i remember being bored watching the Rock or groaning when he screws up for the upteenth time. Cena never quite seems to be consistent enough and, as evidenced by his two recent snorefests with Orton, cannot make a match good on his own. The Rock could do that.

It's fine to not respect the Rock for what he did, but don't try to say Cena is that much better than him.

For clarification, "lacing the boots" had nothing to do with Cena. And none of my comments have been specifically about Cena. It was a generalization, moreso in relation to Foley and The Rock (but really not Foley but countless guys who have put CAREERS into wrestling, not whirlwind tours). You'd have to go back to page 4 or so to see the origin of the tangent.

If I were putting that much time into those comments with CENA as my beacon of wrestling, then I'd make fun of me too.

[AriadosMan]

molotovmocktail said:

Again, haven't read all 13 pages, but:

I am not mad at The Rock for "selling out." He is obviously still appreciative of WWE and wrestling fans, as he has made this known every time he is asked about it. JR also backs this up regularly on his blog (which is completely independent of WWE oversight, and where he will openly criticize some elements of the company).

I am mad that he chose to leave during the time he did, and without a proper passing of the torch. Rocky was the heir to Steve Austin, so when Austin left, having Rock around softened the blow and allowed another charismatic, talented wrestler to slip into his place and carry the company. That's why WWE remained entertaining throughout the early stages of the roster split and allowed respectable main events. He even made Goldberg watchable! When he gave up, there was nobody to succeed him, and WWE floundered without a hot babyface to represent the company, until they settled on Cena, who has given us the same old crap every week. Whether you love Cena or hate him, it's quite clear he's nowhere near the level as The Rock, and nobody (with the possible exception of Jericho, who will get nothing resembling a push) on the roster will reach that either.

It's the same as when Hogan first left. Even Bret and Shawn, for all their talent, didn't pull people in to watch the WWF in droves.

It's not Rock's fault that Cena's schtick is predictable and boring compared to his.

[mcmxzyptlk]

realfakerazor said:

It's not Rock's fault that Cena's schtick is predictable and boring compared to his.

You say that as if Rock talking about monkey nipples was groundbreaking entertainment.

[EvilMasterBetty, Esq.]

pegasuswarrior said:

evilmasterbetty said:

You had me until you said Rock can't lace Cena's boots.

I'm sorry, never once do i remember being bored watching the Rock or groaning when he screws up for the upteenth time. Cena never quite seems to be consistent enough and, as evidenced by his two recent snorefests with Orton, cannot make a match good on his own. The Rock could do that.

It's fine to not respect the Rock for what he did, but don't try to say Cena is that much better than him.

For clarification, "lacing the boots" had nothing to do with Cena. And none of my comments have been specifically about Cena. It was a generalization, moreso in relation to Foley and The Rock (but really not Foley but countless guys who have put CAREERS into wrestling, not whirlwind tours). You'd have to go back to page 4 or so to see the origin of the tangent.

Ah sorry. I didn't read all the pages of this thread. I just assumed it was about Cena considering the topic.

Again, i do agree with your point, I just don't think Cena has a right to talk. I mean, he put out a rap album AND made a movie. It's obvious he's toying with the idea of leaving as well. Plus Cena hasn't earned the right to say that yet. Hell, he's like the Rock in that his career was handed to him, but Cena has failed to show he deserved it like the Rock did. If someone like Flair, Foley, HHH or HBK said it, I think it'd have more weight, but Cena is not one to complain.

I personally don't blame Rock for what he did, but I do understand and appreciate the other side of the argument.

[default]

As a hip hop fan, Cena should know better than to attack legends.

[rra]

Does this issue even matter?

[Deleted]

rra said:

Does this issue even matter?

Honestly? Not really.

[Red Impact]

pegasuswarrior said:

See sports entertainment comment you forgot to include in your quote.

No one wants to see anyone get hurt (unless they are garbage wrestling idiots), but wrestling fans are flat out dumb if they think someone can come away from this business without pain. You can't have it both ways. I'm a wrestling fan, and unlike some people on these boards, I recognize they ALL hurt. Instead of ingrates like I see all around me, I prefer to show my respect to those who love WRESTLING and not these fly-by-nighters who appease a general audience while the guys who understand what wrestling is all about roll on. They ALL hurt, so turning your back on those who have done it all their lives and calling them stupid makes me want to puke my guts out. That is exactly what these politically correct, sports entertainment double-talkers have successfully (somehow) made a majority of so-called smarks buy into. It's still WRESTLING to a lot of workers out there, not tiddly winks. So, as far as I'm concerned, those fairweather fans out there who praise guys like The Rock at the expense of those like Mick Foley can go take a flying swanton off a building for all I care.

I've had a successful run at sports in my day. I've played (and continue to play) for the love AND RESPECT of the game. I hurt every time I raise my arm perpendicular to my body frame, It HURTS. If I try to go beyond the point of perpendicular, it's pretty much unbearable. But I have something that no casual pick-up gamers have. It's unfortunate that my arm sucks, but every time it hurts it's a timestamp and a memory of what I've had that armchair fantasy baseball owners will never know. And I've got a lot of people who remember what I put into the game, which again is more than I can say for fly-by-nighters who live by the motto "what could've been."

So yeah, you're *insert unnecessary expletive here* right it makes it better to wake up hurting rather than to have sat on the sidelines with your faux sense of pride because you've got sheep following you around due to your look and entertainment ability. Some people can live with that, and that's the same as how some people COULDN'T if they didn't put their lives into something that MATTERED to THEM in the long run.

I will say that yes, there comes a time to hang it up. It's naive not to acknowledge that. I'm not saying there isn't. But if you can still go, hey, you learn that pain is a part of it, and I respect a guy who can bump WILLINGLY and for the love of wrestling (yes, it exists, despite smark disbelief) a lot more than someone who gets more notoriety for jumping ship early when they weren't, in fact, ever good enough to tie the other guy's wrestling boots.

I didn't forget to include your quote, it simply wasn't what I was addressing. If you believe that he did nothing for wrestling, that's your opinion.

I quoted what I addressed, which was that you didn't respect the Rock because he left to do what's, by all accounts, a better paying job that won't cause him the long-term health affects, risk of premature death and doesn't require the insane wrestling schedule that WWE workers work. The subsequent rant doesn't change that at all, you essentially just repeated that you respect people wrestlers who stay in it for the long run. That's fine, if someone is doing what they love and what they think is best, I respect them too.

But the fact that you cared about whatever sport enough to have permanent injury doesn't change that I find you condemning the man for what essentially equates to changing careers asinine. He did what he though was best for him and his family, no amount of faceless internet fan respect would change it.

[randomranter]

As far as I know, The Rock has been told to distance himself from wrestling as much as possible by his agents/advisors because his association with wrestling might hurt his acting career. They don't want Rock viewed as "That wrestling guy" by potential movie makers. Can't say I blame them.

Especially after the events of the past few years.......Benoit. Steroids. Eddiesploitation. I can't blame him for wanting to distance himself from that. I would, too.

Also, a lot of people in the Rock's position are contractually prohibited from doing certain activities. Like how PacMan Jones was contractually prohibited from being physically active in TNA. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Rock is under a similar contract, which may be one (of probably many) reason why he hasn't wrestled in years. Why jeopardize an acting gig worth millions of dollars to participate in a match that might pay off a couple hundred grand?

I can't blame the rock for making the career choices he has. A gig where you're on the road 300 days a year away from your family and putting your body through hell for a couple of million, or a gig where you're on a film location for a couple of months (probably with your family) and everything even remotely dangerous is done for you by CGI or a stunt double and pays 10 X as much. Gee, tough choice there. A gig in an industry that gets very little respect from the mainstream vs. a gig where you're a respected B/C list celebrity. Hmm......let's think about this.

The guy made the right choice. And he's doing what's right for his own career -- distancing himself from a "sport" that's looked down upon by the mainstream media. Yes, we all know that without wrestling, Dwayne Johnson would probably be flipping burgers. But the same job that propelled his acting career 5 years ago may be the exact same thing that would be holding him back now if he didn't sever his ties. Why would he want the albatross dangling from his neck?

[MichaelMartini]

Hmmn, presenting at Oscars or helping Mcmhahon shill stuff. Tough choice.