Cena Pissed Off With The Rock

[mcmxzyptlk]

Notice how even though this interview was done like a month ago, they put the story forward as if it were "recent" and that "John just told us this".

Cena gets screwed again!

[Jack]

From what I gather reading between the lines, the problem isn't with Rock moving into a more lucrative career and leaving wrestling but this whole "Wrestling is my passion" stuff which it clearly cannot be.

If someone has a passion for painting they'll do it as often as they can. They're not going to turn around and say "You know, as much as I love painting I'm a lawyer now so I can't paint anymore"

Rock has said before that wrestling is his passion but it's a pretty damned weak-ass passion if you ask me. Nobody is criticising him for being an actor and for leaving wrestling, that's his choice but don't pretend at intermitend periods that wrestling is where your 'heart' lies as it clearly doesn't, at least not anymore.

I think some people dislike the way Rock seems to be talking down to wrestling fans. It's like a relative who you avoid for years and only meet them once in a blue moon in an unavoidable scenario and you try to butter them up by saying "You know you were ALWAYS my favourite uncle" it's nonsense and it's an insult.

Be man enough to say that you'll always be grateful to wrestling as it helped him become who he was today but he's moved on with his life and he's got no interest in returning to wrestling instead of coming out every so often talking about your "love" of an industry you haven't touched with a 10ft pole for God knows how many years.

[segaz]

dh03grad said:

mcmxzyptlk said:

Hell, yeah. I stand by that. Either that, or he starts picking up more cash per flick. A-Listers get at least twice what Rocky's been making on the set, too.

Let's see, his biggest hits are Mummy Returns, Scorpion King and Game Plan. Mummy Returns was an awaited sequel to a blockbuster hit. Game Plan and Scorpion King did well, no buts about it. Hats off to the Rock.

But he's got more than one flop. All I can think of are Doom and that other one where he carried a 2x4.


Denzel? We're not talking about American Gangster, right? That did real good, last I checked.

Great Debaters

What about Walking Tall? Welcome to the Jungle? Heck, wasn't he even in Be Cool?

[xroads]

i never really liked the rock that much after 2000 anyways. good for cena tho if what he says was a shoot then he has just risen in my books. everyone knows the rock can make more money shooting films but the way he used the rock name till he got big in hollywood then dropped it to use his real name and the way he never goes to wwe shows just tells you he doesnt care about it anymore. does the rock owe any of us a reason why he doesnt wrestle? no but i think he should repay vince by going to a couple shows and ppvs to get more money out of them since vince did make the rock

[Hiroshi Hase]

xroads said:

i never really liked the rock that much after 2000 anyways. good for cena tho if what he says was a shoot then he has just risen in my books. everyone knows the rock can make more money shooting films but the way he used the rock name till he got big in hollywood then dropped it to use his real name and the way he never goes to wwe shows just tells you he doesnt care about it anymore. does the rock owe any of us a reason why he doesnt wrestle? no but i think he should repay vince by going to a couple shows and ppvs to get more money out of them since vince did make the rock

He already fufilled his obligations to the company and made them tons of money.

[Mecca]

xroads said:

i never really liked the rock that much after 2000 anyways. good for cena tho if what he says was a shoot then he has just risen in my books. everyone knows the rock can make more money shooting films but the way he used the rock name till he got big in hollywood then dropped it to use his real name and the way he never goes to wwe shows just tells you he doesnt care about it anymore. does the rock owe any of us a reason why he doesnt wrestle? no but i think he should repay vince by going to a couple shows and ppvs to get more money out of them since vince did make the rock

I'm pretty sure he already repayed Vince with that huge wad of cash he made him for several years...Vince used the Rock to make money, the Rock used Vince and wrestling to shoot himself to even higher stardom and more money.

They used each other, it's even.

[angryfan]

tryme said:

From what I gather reading between the lines, the problem isn't with Rock moving into a more lucrative career and leaving wrestling but this whole "Wrestling is my passion" stuff which it clearly cannot be.

If someone has a passion for painting they'll do it as often as they can. They're not going to turn around and say "You know, as much as I love painting I'm a lawyer now so I can't paint anymore"

Rock has said before that wrestling is his passion but it's a pretty damned weak-ass passion if you ask me. Nobody is criticising him for being an actor and for leaving wrestling, that's his choice but don't pretend at intermitend periods that wrestling is where your 'heart' lies as it clearly doesn't, at least not anymore.

I think some people dislike the way Rock seems to be talking down to wrestling fans. It's like a relative who you avoid for years and only meet them once in a blue moon in an unavoidable scenario and you try to butter them up by saying "You know you were ALWAYS my favourite uncle" it's nonsense and it's an insult.

Be man enough to say that you'll always be grateful to wrestling as it helped him become who he was today but he's moved on with his life and he's got no interest in returning to wrestling instead of coming out every so often talking about your "love" of an industry you haven't touched with a 10ft pole for God knows how many years.

On the subject of "if you have a passion, you do it as often as possible", I do agree with that, but sometimess real life intervenese.

I am a writer, I love it. I find story ideas everykwhere I go, but frankly, I don't write as often as I would like to. DOes this mean my passion is somehow less than someone elese?

Nah, it just means that sometimes real life gets in the way. I work 60 hours a week, so sleep is a premium. I also have onther things I enjoy, as well as time with my family. This means I can't dedicate the 6 hours at a stretch I once did to writing. This doesn't mean I've abandoned it, or that my love for writing has decreased, it simply means that sometimes there aren't enough hours in a day to do it.

In terms of The Rock and wrestling, if he's working, let's say, 8 or so weeks on a movie, plus the time to do publicity for it and what not, plus side projects, plus time with his daughter, plus other crap that the studios pay him to do, where would he fit in the other parts of the wrestling business that we all mention, but sometimes forget?

Gym time, time to get himself back in "ring shape", which can take weeks or even months, plus (even for a one match deal) the several weeks of TV and travel that accompany that.

Sometimes, it all comes down the how many hours you hae in a day, and if you have a "real job" (his acting, which is his main focus since it pays the bills and what not), a family, and what not, some things might have to be shelved.

I know, I probalby missed the point entirely, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Maxnificent]

"-- John Cena's recent comments regarding The Rock may have been taken out of context by The Sun. The website has an audio file of the interview and you can hear what he exactly said on it. Cena was quoted as saying, "At one point Rock loved wrestling and wanted to do this all his life. So explain to me why he can’t come back." The Sun ended the quote there, but he actually said, "So explain to me why he can't come back for our 15th anniversary show or why he can’t make an appearance at WrestleMania. I wish he’d just show up, say hi and leave. Do the eyebrow once and get out of town." Cena also said, "He's genuinely a nice guy. I've met him. And a fantastic human being," not to mention, "Like I said, he is a great guy. But I think we all know now that he wants to be an actor. And there's nothing wrong with that, because he’s truly found another passion. He's good at acting. His films make money." Those two quotes were omitted from the article. However, he did indeed say the quote that triggered the controversy: "Just don't [expletive] me around and tell me that you love this. That's the only thing that gets me really [ticked] off. Our fan base have so much admiration for him, he's got to respect that. He doesn't give anything back." Although, he made the comment in a calm tone."

[capnsteve]

angryfan said:

I am a writer, I love it. I find story ideas everykwhere I go, but frankly, I don't write as often as I would like to. DOes this mean my passion is somehow less than someone elese?

That's a bad analogy. Let's say you used to write for a magazine and they invited you to write a short column for their fifteenth anniversary. If you didn't make time for this, then yes, I'd say you don't really like writing for magazines.

[angryfan]

capnsteve said:

angryfan said:

I am a writer, I love it. I find story ideas everykwhere I go, but frankly, I don't write as often as I would like to. DOes this mean my passion is somehow less than someone elese?

That's a bad analogy. Let's say you used to write for a magazine and they invited you to write a short column for their fifteenth anniversary. If you didn't make time for this, then yes, I'd say you don't really like writing for magazines.

Fair enough. Let me try this using my own past.

I used to write for a small weekly paper, doing sports and pretty much whatever they told me to. I loved it, but it, sadly, paid s***. I subsequently took a job in law enforcement that paid better. Now, I still loved writing, and did much of it, but obviously my job as a cop took quite a bit of time.

Now, let's say that, while working as a cop my old editor Scott calls me and says "Stu, buddy, we've got a big issue coming up, feel like maybe giving us a hand?" To this, I'd say "Sure, long as my schedule permits, what do you need, an opinion piece? A featurette of some kind on a local sports team? "

However, let's say he responded with "We'd love for you to write a piece, but we're gonna need you to swing by the office (a far distance from me) and do some editting, layout, and maybe some photo-cropping, as well as your piece, how's that sound?"

Now, if I've alrady got a full-time gig, and what's being asked goes beyond "do X" and becomes "do a X, Y, Z, and part of Q for some reason" this becomes subsantially more difficult to fit into an already busy schedule of general cop work, court testimony, general BS paperwork, and what not.

I agree, as a one-off deal, it would've been easier to fit in, but the question becomes, would this be a "go pop the crowd" one and done, or would it have been a "one and done" like with FOley and Mania, where it was actually several weeks of TV building an angle for the "one and done" match?

Not trying to be argumentative, or at least not in a negative sort of way, just kinda playing devil's advocate.

[Jack]

angryfan said:

tryme said:

From what I gather reading between the lines, the problem isn't with Rock moving into a more lucrative career and leaving wrestling but this whole "Wrestling is my passion" stuff which it clearly cannot be.

If someone has a passion for painting they'll do it as often as they can. They're not going to turn around and say "You know, as much as I love painting I'm a lawyer now so I can't paint anymore"

Rock has said before that wrestling is his passion but it's a pretty damned weak-ass passion if you ask me. Nobody is criticising him for being an actor and for leaving wrestling, that's his choice but don't pretend at intermitend periods that wrestling is where your 'heart' lies as it clearly doesn't, at least not anymore.

I think some people dislike the way Rock seems to be talking down to wrestling fans. It's like a relative who you avoid for years and only meet them once in a blue moon in an unavoidable scenario and you try to butter them up by saying "You know you were ALWAYS my favourite uncle" it's nonsense and it's an insult.

Be man enough to say that you'll always be grateful to wrestling as it helped him become who he was today but he's moved on with his life and he's got no interest in returning to wrestling instead of coming out every so often talking about your "love" of an industry you haven't touched with a 10ft pole for God knows how many years.

On the subject of "if you have a passion, you do it as often as possible", I do agree with that, but sometimess real life intervenese.

I am a writer, I love it. I find story ideas everykwhere I go, but frankly, I don't write as often as I would like to. DOes this mean my passion is somehow less than someone elese?

Nah, it just means that sometimes real life gets in the way. I work 60 hours a week, so sleep is a premium. I also have onther things I enjoy, as well as time with my family. This means I can't dedicate the 6 hours at a stretch I once did to writing. This doesn't mean I've abandoned it, or that my love for writing has decreased, it simply means that sometimes there aren't enough hours in a day to do it.

In terms of The Rock and wrestling, if he's working, let's say, 8 or so weeks on a movie, plus the time to do publicity for it and what not, plus side projects, plus time with his daughter, plus other crap that the studios pay him to do, where would he fit in the other parts of the wrestling business that we all mention, but sometimes forget?

Gym time, time to get himself back in "ring shape", which can take weeks or even months, plus (even for a one match deal) the several weeks of TV and travel that accompany that.

Sometimes, it all comes down the how many hours you hae in a day, and if you have a "real job" (his acting, which is his main focus since it pays the bills and what not), a family, and what not, some things might have to be shelved.

I know, I probalby missed the point entirely, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

I understand but it's not as if anyone is demanding or expecting a full time commitment from Rock, no more than an occasional appearance on Letterman is going to throw his schedule off too much. Raw is a two hour TV show once a week from which the maximum amount of TV time anyone gets (aside from if you're a McMahon or married to a McMahon) is about 15-20 minutes. I don't see even if he isn't involved in a wrestling match itself, why Rock cannot do that every so often. Afterall surely if he did have as much passion for the industry as has been previously claimed then he would find time to do this.

I understand the busy life of a movie star but we're talking 20 minutes of his time every couple of months, it's hardly going dominate his time or take time away from his family. You'd spend longer clipping your toenails in a week then you would appearing on a wrestling show.

So yeah, I understand that a lot of prep needs to be done in order to get in 'ring-shape' and frankly I wouldn't expect Rock to ever wrestle again, however fans love to see him in some capacity and I think every so often it would be nice of him to come back as a nod to the people who actually helped elevated him to the level where he is today and by that I mean both the fans and the company who invested huge amounts of time, money and effort making him their poster boy and giving the exposure and TV time to a guy who without that would have stood as much chance becoming a movie star as I have becoming Rosie O'Donnell.

[Hiroshi Hase]

tryme said:

angryfan said:

On the subject of "if you have a passion, you do it as often as possible", I do agree with that, but sometimess real life intervenese.

I am a writer, I love it. I find story ideas everykwhere I go, but frankly, I don't write as often as I would like to. DOes this mean my passion is somehow less than someone elese?

Nah, it just means that sometimes real life gets in the way. I work 60 hours a week, so sleep is a premium. I also have onther things I enjoy, as well as time with my family. This means I can't dedicate the 6 hours at a stretch I once did to writing. This doesn't mean I've abandoned it, or that my love for writing has decreased, it simply means that sometimes there aren't enough hours in a day to do it.

In terms of The Rock and wrestling, if he's working, let's say, 8 or so weeks on a movie, plus the time to do publicity for it and what not, plus side projects, plus time with his daughter, plus other crap that the studios pay him to do, where would he fit in the other parts of the wrestling business that we all mention, but sometimes forget?

Gym time, time to get himself back in "ring shape", which can take weeks or even months, plus (even for a one match deal) the several weeks of TV and travel that accompany that.

Sometimes, it all comes down the how many hours you hae in a day, and if you have a "real job" (his acting, which is his main focus since it pays the bills and what not), a family, and what not, some things might have to be shelved.

I know, I probalby missed the point entirely, but just thought I'd throw that out there.

I understand but it's not as if anyone is demanding or expecting a full time commitment from Rock, no more than an occasional appearance on Letterman is going to throw his schedule off too much. Raw is a two hour TV show once a week from which the maximum amount of TV time anyone gets (aside from if you're a McMahon or married to a McMahon) is about 15-20 minutes. I don't see even if he isn't involved in a wrestling match itself, why Rock cannot do that every so often. Afterall surely if he did have as much passion for the industry as has been previously claimed then he would find time to do this.

I understand the busy life of a movie star but we're talking 20 minutes of his time every couple of months, it's hardly going dominate his time or take time away from his family. You'd spend longer clipping your toenails in a week then you would appearing on a wrestling show.

So yeah, I understand that a lot of prep needs to be done in order to get in 'ring-shape' and frankly I wouldn't expect Rock to ever wrestle again, however fans love to see him in some capacity and I think every so often it would be nice of him to come back as a nod to the people who actually helped elevated him to the level where he is today and by that I mean both the fans and the company who invested huge amounts of time, money and effort making him their poster boy and giving the exposure and TV time to a guy who without that would have stood as much chance becoming a movie star as I have becoming Rosie O'Donnell.

I understand what you're saying, but again where does it say that Rock has to make these appearances? When he was part of their roster, he made all the appearances he needed to.

Would I like to see him return? Of course, but he's his own man and as he is not under contract to WWE no longer, he does not have to appear anywhere he does not want to.

And I think frankly after a 100 "Surprise" appearances like Foley and Austin, he'd wear out his welcome awfully quick.

[capnsteve]

yjc1019 said:

I understand what you're saying, but again where does it say that Rock has to make these appearances? When he was part of their roster, he made all the appearances he needed to.

No one says he has to, but he allegedly loves the business. If you tell your wife that you don't have a spare hour or so to spend with her on your fifteenth anniversary (even if she pays you), she will probably think that you don't love her any more.

[Pagan Warrior]

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CENA THINKS!

Seriously, why can't the people just leave Rock alone? He made a choice, get over it.

[xroads]

not to be rude but how many comments are people going to make defending him. we are just voicing our thoughts, we dont need everyone trying to correct everyone elses statements just because some people here are super fan boys. we all have our own opinions and they all fail in comparison to the real issues as none of are (that i know) working on the inside of wwe or with the rock. so we dont know if he has other reasons why he doesnt show up or not.

[The OP]

This thread really reflects my feeling about pro wrestling in general. I'm never all that into the most popular stuff, but I get a kick out of the fact that other people are so into. This thread is so popular because it basically comes down to Cena vs. The Rock.

This basically leads me to believe that Cena vs. The Rock would be one of the best things that could happen right now. It's probably in part because casual wrestling fans might be able to believe The Rock might beat Cena. Or that Cena might beat Rock. Just the fact that either man could win.

[Hiroshi Hase]

capnsteve said:

yjc1019 said:

I understand what you're saying, but again where does it say that Rock has to make these appearances? When he was part of their roster, he made all the appearances he needed to.

No one says he has to, but he allegedly loves the business. If you tell your wife that you don't have a spare hour or so to spend with her on your fifteenth anniversary (even if she pays you), she will probably think that you don't love her any more.

He said he loves the business, now loving it doesn't mean he has to show up every 3 weeks on Raw just for the hell of it. He has a life now, and if WWE was so hellbent on keeping him, they should have not let his contract run out in 2005 prior to WM21.

He's his own man, and especially as he's not under contract he can go anywhere he pleases and if that means no 502821 billion "Surprise" appearances which lead to nothing, then so be it.

[Jack]

yjc1019 said:

capnsteve said:

No one says he has to, but he allegedly loves the business. If you tell your wife that you don't have a spare hour or so to spend with her on your fifteenth anniversary (even if she pays you), she will probably think that you don't love her any more.

He said he loves the business, now loving it doesn't mean he has to show up every 3 weeks on Raw just for the hell of it. He has a life now, and if WWE was so hellbent on keeping him, they should have not let his contract run out in 2005 prior to WM21.

He's his own man, and especially as he's not under contract he can go anywhere he pleases and if that means no 502821 billion "Surprise" appearances which lead to nothing, then so be it.

But then surely by that definition he doesn't love wrestling at all. On Friday night Rock said that he "retired" from wrestling in 2003 which is fair enough but surely you don't retire from something that you love.

Nobody is saying he HAS to come back every three weeks, but he hasn't come back at all so why not just admit that he doesn't have a great passion for wrestling and he'd be happy if he never appeared on a wrestling show again?

[Red Impact]

capnsteve said:

No one says he has to, but he allegedly loves the business. If you tell your wife that you don't have a spare hour or so to spend with her on your fifteenth anniversary (even if she pays you), she will probably think that you don't love her any more.

I think it's a pretty bad analogy to compare a major wedding anniversary with an optional appearance while in the middle of a major job... Not appearing at Raw 15 wasn't that bad as you're making it out.

[Hiroshi Hase]

tryme said:

yjc1019 said:

He said he loves the business, now loving it doesn't mean he has to show up every 3 weeks on Raw just for the hell of it. He has a life now, and if WWE was so hellbent on keeping him, they should have not let his contract run out in 2005 prior to WM21.

He's his own man, and especially as he's not under contract he can go anywhere he pleases and if that means no 502821 billion "Surprise" appearances which lead to nothing, then so be it.

But then surely by that definition he doesn't love wrestling at all. On Friday night Rock said that he "retired" from wrestling in 2003 which is fair enough but surely you don't retire from something that you love.

Nobody is saying he HAS to come back every three weeks, but he hasn't come back at all so why not just admit that he doesn't have a great passion for wrestling and he'd be happy if he never appeared on a wrestling show again?

I disagree, as people have to retire sometime and just because they retire doesn't mean they don't love what they did. If that was the case, everyone who participated in wrestling would still be active today.

I don't see it that way, as just because the guy isn't in an arena doesn't mean he didn't love what he did as we don't know what's in the Rock's mind/heart. He's got contractual obligations with movies and he has a family as well, so it's not as simple as that.