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Post by macdaddysquid on Mar 2, 2008 11:58:12 GMT -5
I thought this thread was about prolonging Cena's appeal by letting him get into the background for a period before bringing him back up to the top...quote] And in doing so restore credibility to the belt. |
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Post by Rockhound on Mar 2, 2008 11:59:31 GMT -5
I thought only HHH could have IC title runs after winning a World Championship?
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Mar 2, 2008 12:01:11 GMT -5
HE will in a few years.
He will be the First person to hold all the major belts of the post draft era.
IC/US/World/HW/TT/WTT/ECW
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Post by Mecca on Mar 2, 2008 12:02:10 GMT -5
HE will in a few years. He will be the First person to hold all the major belts of the post draft era. IC/US/World/HW/TT/WTT/ECW You think the ECW period is going to last that long....I know several that think it will end when their TV contract runs out at the end of this year... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2008 12:23:33 GMT -5
Why would he go for the IC title when the world title is more important? Anymore the IC title is just a place holder saying, here have this, we have nothing better for you but we still want you to look strong. And that's the sad part, isn't it? WHen we were growing up, the IC belt was a stepping stone, yes, but it was treated as important and special. Guys could, when not holding or chasing the top belt, drop down and make a run at the IC title, keeping it strong. We ahd it in the 80's, we had it during the early 90's, we had it during Attitude. Then, it just became, like you said, a "here, we've got nothing else" title, and I'm really not sure why. The I-C title did mean something...because that was the only singles champion we saw on TV! The World Champion (Hogan/Warrior/Savage) would do interviews, but how many times did they defend their title on free TV? Count it on a hand, and have a couple of fingers left over. Raw and the Monday Night Wars came along. The World Champion wrestled more TV matches. The end of the I-C push. I'd say since the Money In The Bank match came into being a WrestleMania staple, the I-C belt didn't mean as much when there's a World title shot on the line. |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Mar 2, 2008 13:56:49 GMT -5
That is exactly why Cena should go for it. To give a higher prestige. Not just Cena, like HHH, HBK etc. Fact is raw has to many top dogs for the WWE title. So why not use some of the top guys to add some credibility back to the IC title? I like this idea. The IC picture is dead now. How about getting more prestige back in that division, and having some...you know....title matches? |
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Post by Fantozzi on Mar 2, 2008 15:00:14 GMT -5
You are acting like this is a hate thread, its not. Your point is exactly why he could FIX THE IC TITLE which was the point of this thread why fix the IC title using the best wrestlers WWE has at the moment? the WWE title is more important |
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Mar 2, 2008 15:27:18 GMT -5
Because it might beter the undercard. The WWE title will always be more important, but it still helps when the 2nd belt looks like more than just a joke.
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Post by Fantozzi on Mar 2, 2008 17:56:21 GMT -5
Because it might beter the undercard. The WWE title will always be more important, but it still helps when the 2nd belt looks like more than just a joke. they should do it with jericho, jbl, umaga and kennedy cena is so strong in keyfabe it makes no sense to put him in the chase of a title which isn't the WWE title |
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Mar 2, 2008 17:59:43 GMT -5
Why would he go for the IC title when the world title is more important? Anymore the IC title is just a place holder saying, here have this, we have nothing better for you but we still want you to look strong. And that's the sad part, isn't it? WHen we were growing up, the IC belt was a stepping stone, yes, but it was treated as important and special. Guys could, when not holding or chasing the top belt, drop down and make a run at the IC title, keeping it strong. We ahd it in the 80's, we had it during the early 90's, we had it during Attitude. Then, it just became, like you said, a "here, we've got nothing else" title, and I'm really not sure why. Agreed. The I-C title hasn't meant much since the Attitude Era. It's too bad. It's a decent title. I believe the US title doesn't get any respect either. |
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Post by Robbymac on Mar 2, 2008 18:01:22 GMT -5
seriously can we stop with this 1/2 the crowd boos him crap. Boos make a more distinctive sound in a crowd. If its 80-20 like I suspect it is in most arenas then its gonna sound 50/50. When its really 50/50 is those arenas where it sounds like he is getting booed out of the building (WM 22) Cena is the most over guy in the company BY A MILE. Everyone reacts when he comes out. For him not to be at the top of the card in the #1 feud would be a monumental mistake. You are acting like this is a hate thread, its not. Your point is exactly why he could FIX THE IC TITLE which was the point of this thread You would be fixing the IC title at the expense of the WWE title. Its kind of like when Benoit was champion yet HBK and HHH had the top of the card feud. Or further back when HBK and Taker were main eventing while WWF Champion Bret Hart was wrestling The Patriot. Cena will be in the #1 angle no matter what the feud is over so why waste your #1 angle on your #2 title? What they should do instead of trying to force Jeff Hardy into the main event is let him defend that damn title and maybe actually have a Kennedy/Hardy feud over the belt. |
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Post by lotus on Mar 2, 2008 18:12:48 GMT -5
Well with a draft coming soon [hopefully]
Batista could come over to raw and feud with Cena over who's the bigger star while HBK and Hardy feud for the title. Then again, The Rock ain't much older then Cena and by 2003, he was on the coming and going for Hollywood role. He came back and feuded with people and it didn't need to be for the title. It was all about grudge matches.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 2, 2008 18:18:33 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but...Cena is the most over guy in the WWE right now. Like it's been said before, he gets a major reaction, positive or not. And when you have a guy like that, he belongs in the ME. I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
Now, if Cena were to turn heel, on the other hand...
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Post by Loki on Mar 2, 2008 19:24:33 GMT -5
Giving the IC (or the US) title to a guy who has already held the WWE Title would mean absolutely nothing, and wouldn't raise the prestige of the belt at all.
Main Eventers shouldn't go anywhere near a midcard title.
It'd be like Roger Federer competing in a minor ATP tournament while his rivals are playing the US Open...
If he wins, it's no big deal. If he loses, he'll lose face; or will be accused of not caring enough. And beating a Big Guy who's not even trying isn't that prestigious IMO.
Cena challenging for the IC belt would be exactly the same.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Mar 2, 2008 19:35:33 GMT -5
As said before, Cena as IC champ wouldn't do anything for the belt or Cena himself
And I say with 100% conviction that the Monday night wars killed the IC title.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Mar 2, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -5
Giving the IC (or the US) title to a guy who has already held the WWE Title would mean absolutely nothing, and wouldn't raise the prestige of the belt at all. Main Eventers shouldn't go anywhere near a midcard title. It'd be like Roger Federer competing in a minor ATP tournament while his rivals are playing the US Open... If he wins, it's no big deal. If he loses, he'll lose face; or will be accused of not caring enough. And beating a Big Guy who's not even trying isn't that prestigious IMO. Cena challenging for the IC belt would be exactly the same. Agree with this. The best IC champs are the ones that during the reign have become more popular - so it looks like since they've won the belt, it has done that for them. It makes the belt look good then. Or if they become popular, then get the belt and keep riding the wave of momentum that they gained. I don't really understand why there is this desperate attempt to make the IC title seem like more, and certainly not at the expense of the WWE title. I can see why they wanted to take it away in the first place now. There isn't enough viable contenders to make having the belt worthwhile. If you have Jeff defend the belt against lower mid carders every week, it may look like the belt is getting better, but it means Jeff won't be having awesome matches with Jericho/HBK/Umaga et al every week, and that's better. If there were enough challengers that were realistic challengers and yet kept gaining Jeff credibility by beating them then I'd say he should defend it more, but there isn't. |
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Post by Loki on Mar 2, 2008 20:15:29 GMT -5
I think WWE didn't actually expect Jeff to run so fast and for such a long time with the little ball they gave him, and that caught them off guard [that neeeever happens...] so now they've painted themselves in a corner.
If Jeff drops the belt, his popularity mey drop a bit.
If Jeff keeps the belt until he gets a real main event push, how will he drop it?
I reckon WWE expected Jeff to flounder around the midcard, wearing out himself and his welcome, and then fading into obscurity (SD/Heat/TNA). The IC title was the mandatory comeback mini-push meant to capitalize on the "look who's back" effect.
The IC belt has been used as a parking place for perennial midcarders, or as a bone to throw to former main eventers with nowhere to go.
And before that, it was used as a method to keep things unpredictable and quick-paced, in a "anything can happen" frenzy that killed the belt's prestige. Thank you, Attitude Era!
In the good old days, a guy who was given the IC belt was either a solid performer they wanted to keep strong, while knowing he'd not have been bigger than that (Santana, Valentine, HonkyTonk Man, Mr.Perfect) or a soon-to-be-World Champion they wanted to test or to promote before giving him the WWF belt (Savage, Warrior, Bret).
What worked better?
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Post by nisidhe on Mar 2, 2008 23:07:45 GMT -5
Santana and Perfect could've held the big belt, albeit briefly: Santana in the Backlund/Sheik/Hogan mix, Hennig as valid and likely a candidate as Hart in 1991-2 but for the injuries.
The I-C belt was largely seen back in the day as a kind of #1 contention to the World Title: winning it virtually guaranteed a program with the champ and, with Hogan at the helm throughout much of it, the I-C title often headed up an undercard that made the World title bout an anti-climax. Many of the most memorable matches in the WWF during the mid- to late-1980s were the I-C title or tag-team title matches.
What happened since then has been the bane of every non-world singles title: with three world titles in the picture the mid-card titles have gotten lost in the shuffle. The scene is so top-heavy with world title contenders and champions that they may as well put the I-C title on Barry Horowitz for what it will do to anyone. Don't get me started on the tag titles.
The one thing that will strengthen the Intercontinental title will be a merging of the world titles, which will also strengthen the single world title via unification. The brand extension has never been able to shake off the "it's all WWE" attitude and, given the prospect of trouble while renewing TV contracts for both Smackdown! and ECW, it may be a good time for WWE to review the concept of brand extension as a whole and to start making some contingency plans. Otherwise, the attitude of a belt as merely a prop will likely be reinforced not only in the talent with too much reason to slack as it is, but also viewed by fans in the same way, diluting a title's symbolism and the draw of pro wrestling as a whole.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Mar 3, 2008 0:49:19 GMT -5
Because it might beter the undercard. The WWE title will always be more important, but it still helps when the 2nd belt looks like more than just a joke. they should do it with jericho, jbl, umaga and kennedy cena is so strong in keyfabe it makes no sense to put him in the chase of a title which isn't the WWE title It could be very simple booking... Cena: When I was growing up the IC title meant something, now its a disgrace. I want to do something about it. Then he wins belt, and adds prestige and credibility |
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Post by casualobserver on Mar 3, 2008 1:38:37 GMT -5
they should do it with jericho, jbl, umaga and kennedy cena is so strong in keyfabe it makes no sense to put him in the chase of a title which isn't the WWE title It could be very simple booking... Cena: When I was growing up the IC title meant something, now its a disgrace. I want to do something about it. Then he wins belt, and adds prestige and credibility Except nobody who ever dreamed about being a wrestler while growing up would (in their right mind) say "Someday, I will be the Intercontinental champion." |
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