Lance Storm asks "Is TNA Bipolar?"

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capnsteve said:

Sharkboy is being buried! The man with a fin on his head who bites people's butts needs to be in a dramatic storyline!

Seriously though, I'll never understand the hardcore smark's point of view. A lot of Storm's complaints basically boil down to: "They really should be making me pay for this. How dare they do something entertaining for free and not even plug an upcoming PPV?!"

Agreed.

The whole "I just want TNA to succeed!!!" line gets old quick.

Do your tax dollars go to fund TNA? It's a private company. If you like it, watch. If you don't, turn it off.

Whether it "succeeds" or not has no effect on you.

Oh and by the way, overall the company is succeeding.

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withteeth said:

uwflive said:

Game. Set. Match.

yes... thats exactly right. anyone who dosen't like what a promotion is doing should go through the trouble, financial woes, and stress of starting their own...
that is correct...
and anyone who dosen't like a movie should totally go film one
and if theres a song out that you don't like, go record one
and if you don't like fast food hamburgers, then start your own fast food restauraunt
and if you hate your computer because it sucks, go start a factory that makes computers.

are you getting my point yet?

If you criticize from the perspective of the consumer, then there's no problem with criticism. What pisses me off though, is the position that the IWC (and under this definition, that includes Storm and "journalists" like Alvarez and so forth) criticizes from this make-believe "insider" perspective that's complete bullshit. Talking about giving stuff away on TV and increasing buyrates and ratings and stupid shit like that isn't being a fan giving an honest criticism. It's trying to be "in", and it's pathetic. When somebody does that, I think it's fair to start the "why don't you do it then" stuff. I mean, if Stormy's so damn smart and knows so much, why HASN'T he started his own promotion? For that matter, why was his entire career so unbelievably forgettable to the point where his most memorable moment came when the fans chanted "boring" at him?

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laotioncommotion said:

When somebody does that, I think it's fair to start the "why don't you do it then" stuff. I mean, if Stormy's so damn smart and knows so much, why HASN'T he started his own promotion? For that matter, why was his entire career so unbelievably forgettable to the point where his most memorable moment came when the fans chanted "boring" at him?

Haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned or brought up but, Lance has done this before. He and Tommy Dreamer booked most of ECW from the end of 98 until Lance left for WCW, so he know what he is talking about in that respect. I believe that he has said that he doesn't want to do it now because he wants to spend time with his family and couldn't really afford it (not positive on that part though). Hell, he is so well thought of that WWE made him their head instructor in OVW and Bret Hart thought he knew enough about wrestling to send his kid there to learn so some must think he knows enough about this to trust their future with.

Also, maybe because I am a huge fan of his, I would hardly call his career forgetable or his only memorable moment being the "Austin/Boring stuff". His run in WCW holding everything but, the World title and Team Canada, his run with Justin Credible in ECW as the Impact Player and their match for the ECW title are some of my favorite things in wrestling.

[Ace Diamond]

uwflive said:

I hate Lance Storm and don't respect his contributions to wrestling. He was always slightly above average in the ring (yes dating back to his ECW days), boring on the mic (come on, it wasn't just a gimmick), and never impressed me. And wow, he writes for an internet column. Well this man must speak the gospel truth! Anyone can write anything. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, some just stink worse then other. Get Lance Storm some Zoloft or tell him to stop watching wrestling.

Wow...so this is what I'd turn into if I was even more incensed at the way things went in wrestling angles instead of my 24 hour rage periods.

I think your credibility flew out of the window the instant you said "I hate Lance Storm." See, that to me means I don't have to listen to you because you're just another biased person with a biased opinion. And if opinions are like assholes, then opinions with heavy bias are like assholes who only want to crap in toilets with bidets; since they think their opinion is somehow more valuable than the others.

[Sir Nintendo]

aodpilot said:

uwflive said:

I hate Lance Storm and don't respect his contributions to wrestling. He was always slightly above average in the ring (yes dating back to his ECW days), boring on the mic (come on, it wasn't just a gimmick), and never impressed me. And wow, he writes for an internet column. Well this man must speak the gospel truth! Anyone can write anything. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them, some just stink worse then other. Get Lance Storm some Zoloft or tell him to stop watching wrestling.

Wow...so this is what I'd turn into if I was even more incensed at the way things went in wrestling angles instead of my 24 hour rage periods.

I think your credibility flew out of the window the instant you said "I hate Lance Storm." See, that to me means I don't have to listen to you because you're just another biased person with a biased opinion. And if opinions are like assholes, then opinions with heavy bias are like assholes who only want to crap in toilets with bidets; since they think their opinion is somehow more valuable than the others.

I don't give a damn what you think of my credibility and whatnot. I won't lose any sleep over it, trust me. And you just proved my point. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. And in my eyes, Lance Storm's opinion of TNA is no more credible then my opinion. I like TNA, Storm doesn't. So I have a bias against Storm's ability to comment on wrestling when he really seems like he just wants to complain about current product. Don't complain, do something Lance. Or be an internet geek, that works too.

[Godhand]

I wonder if Storm realises that his reviews jsut give fire for internet to argue about how much tna sucks. I dont se how that helps TNA succeed LANCE!!
lol

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jinxed said:

laotioncommotion said:

When somebody does that, I think it's fair to start the "why don't you do it then" stuff. I mean, if Stormy's so damn smart and knows so much, why HASN'T he started his own promotion? For that matter, why was his entire career so unbelievably forgettable to the point where his most memorable moment came when the fans chanted "boring" at him?

Haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned or brought up but, Lance has done this before. He and Tommy Dreamer booked most of ECW from the end of 98 until Lance left for WCW, so he know what he is talking about in that respect. I believe that he has said that he doesn't want to do it now because he wants to spend time with his family and couldn't really afford it (not positive on that part though). Hell, he is so well thought of that WWE made him their head instructor in OVW and Bret Hart thought he knew enough about wrestling to send his kid there to learn so some must think he knows enough about this to trust their future with.

Also, maybe because I am a huge fan of his, I would hardly call his career forgetable or his only memorable moment being the "Austin/Boring stuff". His run in WCW holding everything but, the World title and Team Canada, his run with Justin Credible in ECW as the Impact Player and their match for the ECW title are some of my favorite things in wrestling.

He does have booking experience, but it was a different time and place. ECW was going for different things than TNA, and was in a different position. For me, having booked ECW doesn't really count for THAT much. I mean, it does count, but TNA is trying to be a mainstream wrestling organization. Lance Storm never booked a company in that position, so he has about as much knowledge in that regard as you or me. As for his career being forgettable, it's hard really to argue that. You like him, I personally never really did. As a matter of fact, him winning all those belts in WCW was something I couldn't stand at the time, and was one of the biggest reasons I stopped watching WCW. As a teacher, I'm sure he's fantastic. If I was getting in the business, he'd definitely be somebody I'd want showing me the ropes, because of his sound fundamental ability. But that doesn't really have anything to do with booking TNA. Really, it may seem stupid that me, some guy behind a computer is criticizing Storm, a member of the "wrestling community", as it were, but I think that at this point, he's pretty much just a fan like all the rest of us.

[Bobby Womack]

brentreznor said:

Agreed.

The whole "I just want TNA to succeed!!!" line gets old quick.

Do your tax dollars go to fund TNA? It's a private company. If you like it, watch. If you don't, turn it off.

Whether it "succeeds" or not has no effect on you.

Oh and by the way, overall the company is succeeding.

not turning a profit is succeeding?

[I'm The Cool One]

uwflive said:

aodpilot said:

Wow...so this is what I'd turn into if I was even more incensed at the way things went in wrestling angles instead of my 24 hour rage periods.

I think your credibility flew out of the window the instant you said "I hate Lance Storm." See, that to me means I don't have to listen to you because you're just another biased person with a biased opinion. And if opinions are like assholes, then opinions with heavy bias are like assholes who only want to crap in toilets with bidets; since they think their opinion is somehow more valuable than the others.

I don't give a damn what you think of my credibility and whatnot. I won't lose any sleep over it, trust me. And you just proved my point. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. And in my eyes, Lance Storm's opinion of TNA is no more credible then my opinion. I like TNA, Storm doesn't. So I have a bias against Storm's ability to comment on wrestling when he really seems like he just wants to complain about current product. Don't complain, do something Lance. Or be an internet geek, that works too.

looks to me like YOU could use some zoloft, buddy.

thats all i'm going to say to your arguments because you're being totally irrational an hateful for no real reason.

internet bad asses is serious business

[I'm The Cool One]

laotioncommotion said:

jinxed said:

Haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if this has been mentioned or brought up but, Lance has done this before. He and Tommy Dreamer booked most of ECW from the end of 98 until Lance left for WCW, so he know what he is talking about in that respect. I believe that he has said that he doesn't want to do it now because he wants to spend time with his family and couldn't really afford it (not positive on that part though). Hell, he is so well thought of that WWE made him their head instructor in OVW and Bret Hart thought he knew enough about wrestling to send his kid there to learn so some must think he knows enough about this to trust their future with.

Also, maybe because I am a huge fan of his, I would hardly call his career forgetable or his only memorable moment being the "Austin/Boring stuff". His run in WCW holding everything but, the World title and Team Canada, his run with Justin Credible in ECW as the Impact Player and their match for the ECW title are some of my favorite things in wrestling.

He does have booking experience, but it was a different time and place. ECW was going for different things than TNA, and was in a different position. For me, having booked ECW doesn't really count for THAT much. I mean, it does count, but TNA is trying to be a mainstream wrestling organization. Lance Storm never booked a company in that position, so he has about as much knowledge in that regard as you or me. As for his career being forgettable, it's hard really to argue that. You like him, I personally never really did. As a matter of fact, him winning all those belts in WCW was something I couldn't stand at the time, and was one of the biggest reasons I stopped watching WCW. As a teacher, I'm sure he's fantastic. If I was getting in the business, he'd definitely be somebody I'd want showing me the ropes, because of his sound fundamental ability. But that doesn't really have anything to do with booking TNA. Really, it may seem stupid that me, some guy behind a computer is criticizing Storm, a member of the "wrestling community", as it were, but I think that at this point, he's pretty much just a fan like all the rest of us.

and to you, you're usig your own opinion as something to back up your statement. dosen't make your statement look any better.

lance storm wont start a promotion because it costs more money than he is willing to spend.

you can't use the "why dont you do it" deal against him, because he dosen't want to do it. bottom line. it's an asinine thing to suggest... which is what i was trying to illustrate. just because you're not happy with the product dosen't mean you should make one of your own thats better... thats rediculous

[Sir Nintendo]

withteeth said:

uwflive said:

I don't give a damn what you think of my credibility and whatnot. I won't lose any sleep over it, trust me. And you just proved my point. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. And in my eyes, Lance Storm's opinion of TNA is no more credible then my opinion. I like TNA, Storm doesn't. So I have a bias against Storm's ability to comment on wrestling when he really seems like he just wants to complain about current product. Don't complain, do something Lance. Or be an internet geek, that works too.

looks to me like YOU could use some zoloft, buddy.

thats all i'm going to say to your arguments because you're being totally irrational an hateful for no real reason.

internet bad asses is serious business

I'm irrational because I don't agree with Storm, hardly ever agree with him, and never liked his promos or in ring work (like I said, above average, nothing more)? Right, so let's just love all wrestlers then! It's amazing, if you have a good workrate you could say the sky is orange and the smarks will lap up your every word. And if someone has a different thought about it, he is a sinner! Hilarious.

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withteeth said:

laotioncommotion said:

He does have booking experience, but it was a different time and place. ECW was going for different things than TNA, and was in a different position. For me, having booked ECW doesn't really count for THAT much. I mean, it does count, but TNA is trying to be a mainstream wrestling organization. Lance Storm never booked a company in that position, so he has about as much knowledge in that regard as you or me. As for his career being forgettable, it's hard really to argue that. You like him, I personally never really did. As a matter of fact, him winning all those belts in WCW was something I couldn't stand at the time, and was one of the biggest reasons I stopped watching WCW. As a teacher, I'm sure he's fantastic. If I was getting in the business, he'd definitely be somebody I'd want showing me the ropes, because of his sound fundamental ability. But that doesn't really have anything to do with booking TNA. Really, it may seem stupid that me, some guy behind a computer is criticizing Storm, a member of the "wrestling community", as it were, but I think that at this point, he's pretty much just a fan like all the rest of us.

and to you, you're usig your own opinion as something to back up your statement. dosen't make your statement look any better.

lance storm wont start a promotion because it costs more money than he is willing to spend.

you can't use the "why dont you do it" deal against him, because he dosen't want to do it. bottom line. it's an asinine thing to suggest... which is what i was trying to illustrate. just because you're not happy with the product dosen't mean you should make one of your own thats better... thats rediculous

I don't really understand the first bit. I don't see how anybody can possibly articulate a point without bringing their opinion into play. If you re-read what I said, which I think would benefit you, you'll find that I didn't say being "not happy" with the product means you should then go out and do it yourself. I said the opposite. I said there's nothing wrong with criticizing something from the position of a fan. He's welcome to say "this sucks" or "this is stupid" or "this is boring". What I don't like is the "they're giving away matches on TV!" Or "this is going to make so and so look bad!" That kind of voodoo, "I know everything about how this business works" mentality that people who are not involved with the business at all possess. Stormy may have, at one point, been an "insider", but now he's just a fan like everybody else.

I may be beating you over the head with my point, but let me break it down for you. I'm a musician. I put out music which everybody can listen to and criticize if they see fit. If somebody tells me my music sucks, I don't flip out and tell them to go start their own band. But if somebody wants to act like a big shot who can do it better, I'll have to say "why don't you?"

[Ace Diamond]

uwflive said:

withteeth said:

looks to me like YOU could use some zoloft, buddy.

thats all i'm going to say to your arguments because you're being totally irrational an hateful for no real reason.

internet bad asses is serious business

I'm irrational because I don't agree with Storm, hardly ever agree with him, and never liked his promos or in ring work (like I said, above average, nothing more)? Right, so let's just love all wrestlers then! It's amazing, if you have a good workrate you could say the sky is orange and the smarks will lap up your every word. And if someone has a different thought about it, he is a sinner! Hilarious.

You do realize you're being pissed off about people having opinions about your opinions that had nothing to do with Lance Storm's opinion, which is the topic of this thread.

In fact, ironically, you seemed to intuit that because

A) you hate Lance Storm
and
B) do not hold anything he does in high esteem

his opinion is somehow wrong.

Irony...sweet, slow-cooked irony.

[fabulousfreebird]

When will Lance Storm just do us all a favor and shut the f*** up!

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If I can be serious for a minute.....

[hollywood]

fabulousfreebird said:

When will Lance Storm just do us all a favor and shut the smurf up!

NEVAHHH!!!

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

Creative criticism is dead school of thought these days, isn't it?

[Ace Diamond]

dagreenguy said:

Creative criticism is dead school of thought these days, isn't it?

Shouldn't that be constructive? Or do you just mean all the criticism is cliched?

[Boku AKA Da Green Guy]

aodpilot said:

dagreenguy said:

Creative criticism is dead school of thought these days, isn't it?

Shouldn't that be constructive? Or do you just mean all the criticism is cliched?

Maybe it should be constructive.

I mean that some are so quick to bash without even realizing that maybe... Just maybe... TNA isn't perfect.

[Ace Diamond]

dagreenguy said:

aodpilot said:

Shouldn't that be constructive? Or do you just mean all the criticism is cliched?

Maybe it should be constructive.

I mean that some are so quick to bash without even realizing that maybe... Just maybe... TNA isn't perfect.

I think constructive covers that, yeah