Lance Storm asks "Is TNA Bipolar?"

[Michael Coello]

I think him thinking he should kill himself over the Shark boy skits and thinking it screws over every other angle that hasn't happened yet, not to mention failing at Percentages, is reason enough to criticize.

[Sephiroth]

I am a fan of Lance and his work, but it never ceases to amaze me how damn serious wrestlers take themselves. They work in a profession that is pretty much derided and mocked by every other form of media entertainment in the world, but they insist on being treated like macho, manly men. You're wrestlers guys, loosen up your asses and take it easy.

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dagreenguy said:

aodpilot said:

Shouldn't that be constructive? Or do you just mean all the criticism is cliched?

Maybe it should be constructive.

I mean that some are so quick to bash without even realizing that maybe... Just maybe... TNA isn't perfect.

That's the point. I don't expect TNA or any other promotion to be perfect. As no promotion ever was or ever will be.

If a wrestling show can give me some silly, light-hearted entertainment, I'm happy.

I'm not expecting Shakespeare.

[Ace Diamond]

sinister1 said:

I think him thinking he should kill himself over the Shark boy skits and thinking it screws over every other angle that hasn't happened yet, not to mention failing at Percentages, is reason enough to criticize.

I'd like to point out unless the post proving him wrong at percentages was fixed, there are typos in it.

Also I recall various people threatening to stop watching such and such programming (myself included) if something happens, so who are we to judge.

[Michael Coello]

aodpilot said:

sinister1 said:

I think him thinking he should kill himself over the Shark boy skits and thinking it screws over every other angle that hasn't happened yet, not to mention failing at Percentages, is reason enough to criticize.

I'd like to point out unless the post proving him wrong at percentages was fixed, there are typos in it.

I wrote it, and I checked it on the spell check here, and the one on my Firefox extension, and there wasn't any typos in it. The only type was "TNA" in the subject line and the "Hmm...." I started it with.

[Ace Diamond]

96 or 98 minutes, which is it?

[Michael Coello]

aodpilot said:

96 or 98 minutes, which is it?

Well, that's not a typo, that's a wrong number plugged in. BE SPECIFIC!

Well either the 96(7.3%) or 98(7.1%) or even making it an even 100 (7%) prove him wrong.

[Ace Diamond]

sinister1 said:

aodpilot said:

96 or 98 minutes, which is it?

Well, that's not a typo, that's a wrong number plugged in. BE SPECIFIC!

Well either the 96(7.3%) or 98(7.1%) or even making it an even 100 (7%) prove him wrong.

what do you call a numerical typo then. And fine, so he doesn't know math. It's not like it's his job to be mathematically correct.

[Michael Coello]

aodpilot said:

sinister1 said:

Well, that's not a typo, that's a wrong number plugged in. BE SPECIFIC!

Well either the 96(7.3%) or 98(7.1%) or even making it an even 100 (7%) prove him wrong.

what do you call a numerical typo then. And fine, so he doesn't know math. It's not like it's his job to be mathematically correct.

Well, when he starts crying about how the Shark Boy segments are taking a lot of time up on the show saying it had 16% of the show on them and going on an on about it, that's something that needs to be addressed.

[domrep]

Lance Storm is not amused w/Curry Man.

[I'm The Cool One]

uwflive said:

withteeth said:

looks to me like YOU could use some zoloft, buddy.

thats all i'm going to say to your arguments because you're being totally irrational an hateful for no real reason.

internet bad asses is serious business

I'm irrational because I don't agree with Storm, hardly ever agree with him, and never liked his promos or in ring work (like I said, above average, nothing more)? Right, so let's just love all wrestlers then! It's amazing, if you have a good workrate you could say the sky is orange and the smarks will lap up your every word. And if someone has a different thought about it, he is a sinner! Hilarious.

you can have whatever opinion you like to. but when you use phrases like "i dont give a damn what you think" then theres really no use in debating a point with you. you're already on the defensive.

[I'm The Cool One]

laotioncommotion said:

withteeth said:

and to you, you're usig your own opinion as something to back up your statement. dosen't make your statement look any better.

lance storm wont start a promotion because it costs more money than he is willing to spend.

you can't use the "why dont you do it" deal against him, because he dosen't want to do it. bottom line. it's an asinine thing to suggest... which is what i was trying to illustrate. just because you're not happy with the product dosen't mean you should make one of your own thats better... thats rediculous

I don't really understand the first bit. I don't see how anybody can possibly articulate a point without bringing their opinion into play. If you re-read what I said, which I think would benefit you, you'll find that I didn't say being "not happy" with the product means you should then go out and do it yourself. I said the opposite. I said there's nothing wrong with criticizing something from the position of a fan. He's welcome to say "this sucks" or "this is stupid" or "this is boring". What I don't like is the "they're giving away matches on TV!" Or "this is going to make so and so look bad!" That kind of voodoo, "I know everything about how this business works" mentality that people who are not involved with the business at all possess. Stormy may have, at one point, been an "insider", but now he's just a fan like everybody else.

I may be beating you over the head with my point, but let me break it down for you. I'm a musician. I put out music which everybody can listen to and criticize if they see fit. If somebody tells me my music sucks, I don't flip out and tell them to go start their own band. But if somebody wants to act like a big shot who can do it better, I'll have to say "why don't you?"

but not once has storm said "i could do this better" as a matter of fact he's said many times that he wouldnt take a TNA booker job. he HAS however provided constructive criticism and ways that TNA could make their product better. then his opinion gets shat on by the same people who complain when someone simply says "TNA SUXXORZ!"

[Sir Nintendo]

withteeth said:

uwflive said:

I'm irrational because I don't agree with Storm, hardly ever agree with him, and never liked his promos or in ring work (like I said, above average, nothing more)? Right, so let's just love all wrestlers then! It's amazing, if you have a good workrate you could say the sky is orange and the smarks will lap up your every word. And if someone has a different thought about it, he is a sinner! Hilarious.

you can have whatever opinion you like to. but when you use phrases like "i dont give a damn what you think" then theres really no use in debating a point with you. you're already on the defensive.

Can you please show me where I said that? Thanks. Have fun looking!

[I'm The Cool One]

uwflive said:

I don't give a damn what you think of my credibility and whatnot. I won't lose any sleep over it, trust me. And you just proved my point. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION. And in my eyes, Lance Storm's opinion of TNA is no more credible then my opinion. I like TNA, Storm doesn't. So I have a bias against Storm's ability to comment on wrestling when he really seems like he just wants to complain about current product. Don't complain, do something Lance. Or be an internet geek, that works too.

need i say more?

[Sir Nintendo]

You can finish the sentence. My "credibility" has nothing to do with anything. I still respect other people's opinions. So don't misquote me with fragments of my sentences. Thank you.

[I'm The Cool One]

but ya see. when you use phrases such as "i don't give a damn what you think" it makes it blatantly obvious that you're simply on teh defensive already and debating anything with you will just escalate that problem.

this conversation is just asinine anyway. has nothing to do with the OP. so i'll bring it back around and generalize my point


I disagree with Storm here. I found the Shark Boy stuff to be funny.
However, it's inane to say things like "he should open his own promotion if he thinks he'd be so good at it" because if you don't like something, that dosen't mean you should make something better. He dosen't like the TNA product, and he's giving his opinion and he's providing ways to better the product in his opinion. Yet people still want to jump his case, dispite the fact that these are the same people who complain when someone simply says "TNA Sucks"

[Michael Coello]

withteeth said:

I disagree with Storm here. I found the Shark Boy stuff to be funny.
However, it's inane to say things like "he should open his own promotion if he thinks he'd be so good at it" because if you don't like something, that dosen't mean you should make something better. He dosen't like the TNA product, and he's giving his opinion and he's providing ways to better the product in his opinion. Yet people still want to jump his case, dispite the fact that these are the same people who complain when someone simply says "TNA Sucks"

The problem is he isn't talking about the show as a fan would. A fan would have just said the Shark Boy stuff wasn't funny and leave it at that.

This guy is saying how bad the skits are, how relative to the action it was, how it affected any possible booking ideas, questioning the potential moneymaking potential it can have, and stuff that is mostly pertinant to people behind the scenes. Thus, he's not talking as a fan would, more like a person that is basically trying to turn the whole inner structure around.

[mysterydriver]

Did anyone else get the vision of Lance Storm going nuts and throwing things during Impact last night?

I know I did. Ha.

Here's a tip to everyone: Don't watch a Chikara DVD before watching Impact. It's all downhill after Chikara.

[Deleted]

I'll tell you what I had a vision of last night - Shark Boy guzzling Clam juice and dropping the Deep Sea Stunner all over PrimeTime.

not for nothing - minus the nedneck accent, there were elements of SharkBoy's promo that amused me. I'd like to see TNA let him work the mic minus the gimmick - i think it'd turn out pretty well.

PS - This Curry Man is just russo's way of messing with internet smarks. They'll begin teasing a Daniels/CM fued before to long.

[I'm The Cool One]

sinister1 said:

withteeth said:

I disagree with Storm here. I found the Shark Boy stuff to be funny.
However, it's inane to say things like "he should open his own promotion if he thinks he'd be so good at it" because if you don't like something, that dosen't mean you should make something better. He dosen't like the TNA product, and he's giving his opinion and he's providing ways to better the product in his opinion. Yet people still want to jump his case, dispite the fact that these are the same people who complain when someone simply says "TNA Sucks"

The problem is he isn't talking about the show as a fan would. A fan would have just said the Shark Boy stuff wasn't funny and leave it at that.

This guy is saying how bad the skits are, how relative to the action it was, how it affected any possible booking ideas, questioning the potential moneymaking potential it can have, and stuff that is mostly pertinant to people behind the scenes. Thus, he's not talking as a fan would, more like a person that is basically trying to turn the whole inner structure around.

okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? All he's doing is providing insight. That's what he's always done on his website... What he's saying is that TNA could do better, certain things arent good for business, and then he's saying "heres why it's not good for business... And here's how you can fix it".

I really hope, for the sake of this board, and my love for exposing hypocracy, that Storm writes an inpact review that just says "TNA SUXX0RZ" And then I can watch the TNA forum explode with "if he thinks it sucks, then why dosen't he give any kind of method to make it better?!?!?!"