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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 25, 2008 11:12:55 GMT -5
The problem is he isn't talking about the show as a fan would. A fan would have just said the Shark Boy stuff wasn't funny and leave it at that. This guy is saying how bad the skits are, how relative to the action it was, how it affected any possible booking ideas, questioning the potential moneymaking potential it can have, and stuff that is mostly pertinant to people behind the scenes. Thus, he's not talking as a fan would, more like a person that is basically trying to turn the whole inner structure around. okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? All he's doing is providing insight. That's what he's always done on his website... What he's saying is that TNA could do better, certain things arent good for business, and then he's saying "heres why it's not good for business... And here's how you can fix it". I really hope, for the sake of this board, and my love for exposing hypocracy, that Storm writes an inpact review that just says "TNA SUXX0RZ" And then I can watch the TNA forum explode with "if he thinks it sucks, then why dosen't he give any kind of method to make it better?!?!?!" The problem is he's the expert, and if he knowsall this stuff, if he thinks this makes money and if he thinks this is the right direction wrestling needs to go, then he should do it himself. |
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Post by hollywood on Jan 25, 2008 13:00:55 GMT -5
okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? All he's doing is providing insight. That's what he's always done on his website... What he's saying is that TNA could do better, certain things arent good for business, and then he's saying "heres why it's not good for business... And here's how you can fix it". I really hope, for the sake of this board, and my love for exposing hypocracy, that Storm writes an inpact review that just says "TNA SUXX0RZ" And then I can watch the TNA forum explode with "if he thinks it sucks, then why dosen't he give any kind of method to make it better?!?!?!" The problem is he's the expert, and if he knowsall this stuff, if he thinks this makes money and if he thinks this is the right direction wrestling needs to go, then he should do it himself. Why? Ebert & Roeper regularly voice their gripes with certain films and (occasionally) TV shows, and I've yet to see anyone say they should just make their own films? |
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 25, 2008 13:46:03 GMT -5
The problem is he's the expert, and if he knowsall this stuff, if he thinks this makes money and if he thinks this is the right direction wrestling needs to go, then he should do it himself. Why? Ebert & Roeper regularly voice their gripes with certain films and (occasionally) TV shows, and I've yet to see anyone say they should just make their own films? We'll, they're paid to do that. Lance isn't. He's just trying to write it as a fan, but he's doing the "expert" thing that fans don't do and that's why it calls into question his stuff. |
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Post by comahan on Jan 25, 2008 13:48:17 GMT -5
The problem is he's the expert, and if he knowsall this stuff, if he thinks this makes money and if he thinks this is the right direction wrestling needs to go, then he should do it himself. Why? Ebert & Roeper regularly voice their gripes with certain films and (occasionally) TV shows, and I've yet to see anyone say they should just make their own films? Completely off topic, but I just recently discovered the AT THE MOVIES archive for Siskel, Ebert, and Roeper, and have been watching reviews of every movie i can think of. |
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Post by jordenisgood on Jan 25, 2008 13:50:38 GMT -5
Lance Storm has every right to critique TNA wrestling. He's been in this business, he's drawn money (don't start with the WWE shit, though the Un-Americans did draw). By being a worker, it gives him the right more so then just a regular "fan" to give his opinion on what's right and what's wrong, and pass it off as TRUTH.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jan 25, 2008 15:35:48 GMT -5
Lance Storm has every right to critique TNA wrestling. He's been in this business, he's drawn money (don't start with the WWE crap, though the Un-Americans did draw). By being a worker, it gives him the right more so then just a regular "fan" to give his opinion on what's right and what's wrong, and pass it off as TRUTH. ....Yet, Disco Inferno gives his opinion on the wrestling industry, and he's considered a joke. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 25, 2008 15:50:44 GMT -5
Lance Storm has every right to critique TNA wrestling. He's been in this business, he's drawn money (don't start with the WWE crap, though the Un-Americans did draw). By being a worker, it gives him the right more so then just a regular "fan" to give his opinion on what's right and what's wrong, and pass it off as TRUTH. ....Yet, Disco Inferno gives his opinion on the wrestling industry, and he's considered a joke. Yep...Hypocracy runs wild. Basically, if you like someone, you are more willing to side with their opinions. I look at opinions like Storm's or Disco's as opinions from people with more wrestling knowledge than me. However, I realize they aren't perfect. Storm is very stiff about the amount of humor in a show. He'd prefer for their to be more serious angles and fewer comedy angles. Disco remembers how he got a run on WCW and it wasn't from a big moveset but from having a character and knowing how to sell so he really doesn't like spotfests. Anyway, I know I'm not involved in the debate, but I just wanted to throw that out there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2008 15:58:08 GMT -5
I look at opinions like Storm's or Disco's as opinions from people with more wrestling knowledge than me. However, I realize they aren't perfect. Exactly! These gentlemen have learned much more about the wrestling industry than I have, but at the end of the day, these opinions are theirs and nowhere is it written that I have to find the same things enjoyable that Lance Storm does, just because he has been in pro wrestling and I have not. "And that's the fishin' line", cause Stone Cold Shark Boy said so! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2008 16:11:52 GMT -5
Movie critics should make thier own movies.
Then let guys like Michael Bay tell them there aren't enough splosions in them.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 25, 2008 16:19:28 GMT -5
Movie critics should make thier own movies. Then let guys like Michael Bay tell them there aren't enough splosions in them. Now I want to see Michael Bay review movies. Bay: Citizen Kane was boring. Too much talking, not enough action. It would've been great if the sled exploded at the end. |
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Post by Celgress on Jan 25, 2008 16:30:01 GMT -5
Hey knowing Bay and his remake mania mentality, maybe he can reshoot Citizen Kane with more car wrecks, explosions, over the top fight scenes and the like?  |
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jan 25, 2008 18:42:31 GMT -5
okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? All he's doing is providing insight. That's what he's always done on his website... What he's saying is that TNA could do better, certain things arent good for business, and then he's saying "heres why it's not good for business... And here's how you can fix it". I really hope, for the sake of this board, and my love for exposing hypocracy, that Storm writes an inpact review that just says "TNA SUXX0RZ" And then I can watch the TNA forum explode with "if he thinks it sucks, then why dosen't he give any kind of method to make it better?!?!?!" The problem is he's the expert, and if he knowsall this stuff, if he thinks this makes money and if he thinks this is the right direction wrestling needs to go, then he should do it himself. again though, by that logic, you should try to start your own promotion... if you think what TNA is doing is perfectly fine, then you obviously know how to make money in wrestling. you see what i'm getting at? i mean, storm has said he dosen't want to start a promotion because it's too expensive, and stressfull. thats why he dosen't start a promotion. just because he thinks something wont draw money dosen't mean he should do it better... he's simply providing his insight into what TNA could do to make their product better... the whole "do it yourself" thing is really tiresome... if you aren't happy with something then you should do it yourself? are there songs you don't like? movies you don't like? sodas you don't like? then make one thats better... you see where that logic is flawed? |
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 25, 2008 19:56:21 GMT -5
I look at opinions like Storm's or Disco's as opinions from people with more wrestling knowledge than me. However, I realize they aren't perfect. Exactly! These gentlemen have learned much more about the wrestling industry than I have, but at the end of the day, these opinions are theirs and nowhere is it written that I have to find the same things enjoyable that Lance Storm does, just because he has been in pro wrestling and I have not. "And that's the fishin' line", cause Stone Cold Shark Boy said so! Can I just say that "And that's the fishin' line!", and the entires Shark Boy promo was easily my favorite part of the night not associated with Curry Man? |
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Post by SassovsHart on Jan 26, 2008 1:36:09 GMT -5
Yes, he runs a wrestling school  Seriously why would you ask that question. And furthermore (not directed at anybody by name), why is Lance Storm not allowed to criticize but apparently we are? I never said he wasn't allowed to criticize, I'm just wondering why he cares SO much... On the flipside, I want to know why such a big deal is made out of it whenever he criticizes TNA, or why people care enough about what he says to keep coming back every week to say that they disagree with him. If people don't like his columns, then they don't have to read them or spend their time in these threads talking about them. I mean I think we all know what his thoughts on the TNA product are, so why bother to keep going through this song and dance every time he posts one? If someone doesn't agree with his opinions, or think his opinions are worthless, then it would seem to me that they'd be a lot happier if they just stopped reading his column, stopped worrying about what he had to say, and stopped taking the time out to say that they disagree with him after every column he posts. I'm not trying to say that people here don't have a right to disagree with him, or vent. It just seems that the same "if Lance doesn't like TNA why does he keep watching it?" logic could be applied to why people keep reading his columns if they don't like them. |
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Post by capnsteve on Jan 26, 2008 2:55:39 GMT -5
okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? But it doesn't matter that he was a wrestler; his opinion is no more valid than that of someone watching wrestling for the first time. It doesn't matter who gets put over. It doesn't matter how well the next PPV is hyped. If TNA puts on consistently entertaining shows, they will succeed. |
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Post by Godhand on Jan 26, 2008 9:03:53 GMT -5
;DI dont really ahve anything to add here but I officially declare the tna forum the most negative place on wrestlecrap
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Jan 26, 2008 9:12:20 GMT -5
okay, but wouldn't you expect someone who was in the business for so long to have a bit of insight into why it matters if something was wrong with the show? But it doesn't matter that he was a wrestler; his opinion is no more valid than that of someone watching wrestling for the first time. It doesn't matter who gets put over. It doesn't matter how well the next PPV is hyped. If TNA puts on consistently entertaining shows, they will succeed. alright. and next time you're sick, just go to that creepy guy on the corner... who cares if a doctor was trained to tell you whats wrong with you, his opinion is no more valid that anyone else's... right? |
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Post by hollywood on Jan 26, 2008 9:15:44 GMT -5
Why? Ebert & Roeper regularly voice their gripes with certain films and (occasionally) TV shows, and I've yet to see anyone say they should just make their own films? We'll, they're paid to do that. Lance isn't. He's just trying to write it as a fan, but he's doing the "expert" thing that fans don't do and that's why it calls into question his stuff. His columns are posted on the LAW's website. And I don't think he does that for free. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Jan 26, 2008 11:33:40 GMT -5
Just for note on the Ebert & Roeper comment.
Ebert DID write for a movie...or three.
Roeper, however, has not. Although, I just wanted to bring up the Ebert has been involved with movie making.
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Post by laotioncommotion on Jan 27, 2008 7:22:46 GMT -5
;DI dont really ahve anything to add here but I officially declare the tna forum the most negative place on wrestlecrap Which could put it high in the rankings for most negative on Earth. But it's not THE most negative. Let me tell you about that place. It totally sucks. You just keep swimming and swimming and swimming until the time runs out and you die and I can't believe I just worked that reference in. |
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