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Post by dh03grad on Oct 21, 2008 22:00:59 GMT -5
How can Monday Night Football not be the reason for RAW's low rating when MNF got a bigger rating than RAW and usually takes their viewers? MNF has been on the air for the entirety of Raw's history. Raw is getting its worst October ratings in over 10 years. They seriously need to get rid of Adamle, go back to anarchy and figure out a compelling storyline from there. The logical end of anarchy a few months ago was a Regal return in total power. Since it isnt in the plans, do something else to shake up the product before it chase decades long viewers like myself away for good. |
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Post by derrtaysouth95 on Oct 21, 2008 22:21:31 GMT -5
ya know, if they occassionaly put something different and unpredictable on tv people might care enough to watch and call up their friends to get them to watch too.
WWE needs to start changing their formula because it's obviously not working.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 22:51:13 GMT -5
As much as I like Mike Adamle as a GM figure I even admit it's something that is not going to make us tune next week to see what happens next. Wrestling is a progressive drama not a stand alone sitcom. It has to introduce us new things, suprise things, keep the audience teased, and at the end of the episode you have to make the audience excited and guessing what's going to happen next and the only way to find out is watch us again last week.
The last three times I was really excited in watching Raw the next week was Vince being blowup, the Night of Champions fallout for there wasn't a champion on Raw, and CM Punk winning the World Heavyweight title.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Oct 22, 2008 0:54:46 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is that WWE hasn't had a story line or real heated feud in quite a while. Jericho/HBK was great... but what else has their really been? Random matches with no real purpose. Kinda agree, there was a huge avenue of new matches with Punk(with or without title) and they got squandered away, and Jericho and Batista have already had thier issue, to renew it FOR THE TITLE lacks any actual emotion. Especially since there's no heart to the match just Batista's big and strong and Jericho's weak and whiney. That was the great thing with HBK, Jericho was still whiney but he wasn't just terrified of HBK physically, just mentally. The Gauntlet Match just seemed off, it made all three opponents seem VERY weak as they wrestled a little and then got taken out by one move. It also just did NOTHING to help set up the Cyber Sunday options, no Orton, HBK, and yeah naturally no SCSA that's no surprise. I think the main description of RAW last night was "lack of focus". They just seemed to be meandering to one of thier lowered tiered PPV's until they hit Survivor Series in November. |
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Oct 22, 2008 1:36:01 GMT -5
i blame the credit crisis. don't ask why because i have no idea.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 22, 2008 1:47:07 GMT -5
i blame the credit crisis. don't ask why because i have no idea. Well the WWE is a publicly traded company. Maybe you're on to something. |
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Post by greeby on Oct 22, 2008 2:10:08 GMT -5
And yet the Divas match was one of the few decent things on the show, in spite of Candice "We want puppies" Michelle being in it |
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Post by bwrbrett on Oct 22, 2008 3:29:29 GMT -5
RAW will be getting 2.5s regularly by this time next year if they don't change shit up, and that will lead to USA canceling them at some point. I continually root for the ratings to keep going down so that Vince realizes the show show needs to change, like in the mid 90s which ended up leading to the Attitude Era. I saw some of RAW last night and it was some lame segment with JBL vs. Charlie Haas as Steve Austin (I'd like to note that Austin's music got the loudest pop of the night, and he didn't even appear) and Cole and King were constantly doing forced laughter and it was painful to watch and it led to me changing the channel. I haven't watched RAW weekly since late 2006 when Cena's Superman shtick just got old for me, I did continue to watch somewhat regularly though until mid 2007 but since then I only sporadically watch parts of the show. I think the only full RAW I've seen this year is the draft episode. It's just not compelling television. Whoever did the formula is correct. Any of us could book the shows they're doing in like 5 minutes on a napkin, Bischoff style.
There's nothing to look forward to in the next 6 months because you know Cena will come back and they'll do an "epic" build to him regaining the title, and that's just not something I'm interested in seeing again. The smartest thing WWE could do would be to turn Cena mega heel, that'd be the most shocking thing they could do and it could actually create COMPELLING and unpredictable television.
I'd have it lead to a match with Stone Cold at WrestleMania, but even if they couldn't do that a heel turn would do wonders. He's obviously failed as being the new Rock or Stone Cold so why not try him as a heel, his best work in the WWE was as a heel in 2002 and 2003. Jericho's serious gimmick worked for the Michaels feud, but it's just boring now imo. I understand that his face Y2J gimmick wasn't working but he's always been better as a heel, and I'd love to see him revert back to 2002 or 2005 heel Jericho form. They've got to cut Adamle, I really miss Bischoff as GM, I think he was really underrated during his run, but you've got to remember, from mid 2002 until late 2005 he had the most screen time on RAW, and I think ever since he left RAW has gotten even worse.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2008 6:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by New Age Outlaw on Oct 22, 2008 6:47:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who enjoys hearing of the WWE's falling ratings? Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, put perhaps they'll eventually realize the current product needs drastic changes and we'll get a vastly improved product.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2008 6:53:39 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who enjoys hearing of the WWE's falling ratings? Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, put perhaps they'll eventually realize the current product needs drastic changes and we'll get a vastly improved product. I dunno, vast is a strong word, but I do think they could use some tweaking. Now, when it comes to ratings, I dislike falling ratings, but it does have some stiff competetion, from Football, Two and a Half Men, and other successes. |
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Post by Mac on Oct 22, 2008 7:55:08 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who enjoys hearing of the WWE's falling ratings? Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, put perhaps they'll eventually realize the current product needs drastic changes and we'll get a vastly improved product. Dropping Ratings do show lack of fan interest, Im not sure how house shows and PPV/Raw/Smackdown gates are doing but Vince actually has stockholders to answer to now and if the value of the company drops people will bail. At the time of this years Wrestlemania WWE stock was trading at almost $19 a share. Its been steadily declining since then and now its dropped under $15 a share. This certainly doesnt indicate whats being seen on TV every Monday and Friday night but the stockholders/buyers faith in the product moving foward. WWE has been a pretty stale stock since its first year. The WWE fails pretty miserably whenever it attempts to broaden its horizons outside of "Wrestling", so maybe its time they start emphisizng their actual product instead of trying to venture out into other forms of entertainment only to bleed money. |
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Post by rydndirty on Oct 22, 2008 8:13:11 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who enjoys hearing of the WWE's falling ratings? Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, put perhaps they'll eventually realize the current product needs drastic changes and we'll get a vastly improved product. You have to have some sort of direction for "drastic changes" though. Being different for the sake of being different is not going to necessarily mean a "vastly improved product". Turning Cena into a Mega Heel like WCW did with Hogan is a drastic change that could work. Making someone like Bam Neely your champ, though drastic, probably isn't going to improve anything. |
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Post by Mac on Oct 22, 2008 8:18:04 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who enjoys hearing of the WWE's falling ratings? Maybe I'm just a wishful thinker, put perhaps they'll eventually realize the current product needs drastic changes and we'll get a vastly improved product. You have to have some sort of direction for "drastic changes" though. Being different for the sake of being different is not going to necessarily mean a "vastly improved product". Turning Cena into a Mega Heel like WCW did with Hogan is a drastic change that could work. Making someone like Bam Neely your champ, though drastic, probably isn't going to improve anything. Only so much can fall on the feet of the writers. You can only work with what you have. Some people have IT and some dont. And while I think guys like Batista and Cena are really over one way or another they're not mega stars that are going to bring in new viewers. |
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Post by Loki on Oct 22, 2008 8:39:01 GMT -5
Drastic change?
Blah...
WWE don't need a drastic change, they just need to stumble upon the next Mega Superstar or will finally manage to ride the coattails of the next Mainstream Fad.
The audience who provided 6s and 7s is long gone, and wouldn't dream of tuning in, no matter what "drastic and compelling changes" WWE would enforce.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2008 9:50:32 GMT -5
Drastic change? Blah... WWE don't need a drastic change, they just need to stumble upon the next Mega Superstar or will finally manage to ride the coattails of the next Mainstream Fad. The audience who provided 6s and 7s is long gone, and wouldn't dream of tuning in, no matter what "drastic and compelling changes" WWE would enforce. A lot of those people were just coattail fans themselves. They watched wrestling because it was "COOL". Now it isn't, and they only have so much to work with, fan wise. WWE still turns a profit, still does well. Wrestling as an industry is down. TNA's ratings haven't been great, either, so it's not like it's WWE's fault. |
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Post by Hanzo on Oct 22, 2008 9:53:11 GMT -5
Well, for starters, they can stop calling us the WWE Universe and stop having our IQs drop 30 points every time we read something on their website.
"When Chris Jericho defeated Shawn Michaels at No Mercy, it shocked the WWE Universe to its very core. The WWE Universe was concerned that it would never see it's favorite superstar step into a sports entertainment ring again."
(That wasn't from wwe.com. I just made it up.)
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2008 9:58:15 GMT -5
Well, for starters, they can stop calling us the WWE Universe and stop having our IQs drop 30 points every time we read something on their website. "When Chris Jericho defeated Shawn Michaels at No Mercy, it shocked the WWE Universe to its very core. The WWE Universe was concerned that it would never see it's favorite superstar step into a sports entertainment ring again." (That wasn't from wwe.com. I just made it up.) Well, to be fair, that's just the cards they've been dealt. Kids and 13 year olds are a really big part of their fanbase, and as silly as it sounds, they like to feel like they're part of something. Inane or not, how different is it than how adults act like with football, hockey, etc.? A lot of them like to feel like they're part of the team. |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 22, 2008 9:58:44 GMT -5
"DID YOU KNOW: That the WWE coined the term WWE Universe to just show how expansive the Universe of WWE fans is in the WWE Universe, who watch RAW more than shows on such well known channels as SpikeTV, G4, BET. CNN, FOX News, and the National Geographic Channel?"
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2008 10:00:54 GMT -5
"DID YOU KNOW: That the WWE coined the term WWE Universe to just show how expansive the Universe of WWE fans is in the WWE Universe, who watch RAW more than shows on such well known channels as SpikeTV, G4, BET. CNN, FOX News, and the National Geographic Channel?" You know, I think I just got what a lot of the point of the DID YOU KNOW stuff is. They don't want fans to be embarrassed to watch wrestling, since they are 100% right. Wrestling fans are much more widespread than we get credit for. |
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