|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:04:26 GMT -5
Wade is great, Jones is not dumb enough to get rid of him. But back on Hou, either a Rb or Qb cause Indy and either Jac/Tenn will always be better then them year in and year out Are you Jerry Jones? Your personnel decisions, scouting and evaluation of talent and loose grasp on reality vaguely remind me of him. Joking aside, you can't be serious on Houston needing a RB, Wade being great, or Jerruh not being dumb. Especiall that first one, Slaton has been great for Houston. Slaton has been great but I don't see him as an every down back, kinda like Westbrook with Phi, butif they get another Qb, like I said, Slaton should be fine in a lesser role
|
|
|
Post by The Wraith on Dec 30, 2008 17:07:09 GMT -5
As far as Hou beating the Titans or rushing well against them, it doesn't really matter, Tenn obviously wasn't taking those games seriously, and for good reason Except the fact Tennessee was fighting for home field advantage coming into the 2nd Houston game. Had they won, they would've clinched it, but they ended up having to win against Pittsburgh to actually clinch it.
|
|
|
Post by Mr. Backlund on Dec 30, 2008 17:08:33 GMT -5
I imagine you watching the 44-6 debacle and telling yourself "Wade is great". And just so you know, only one RB was able to get 100 yards rushing on the Titans....TWICE......and that was Steve Slaton. I'm surprised you're not this critical about the Cowboys. They only finished one game better than Houston. Dal wasn't the favorite going into Phi, I didn't expect them to win, the had tough breaks late against Pitt and Bal, they needed one of those games, but poop just happened, not that big of a deal, still a solid group of players And how is it the coaches fault for the Phi game? Did he fumble the ball? Kick it out of bounds? Tackle? Slatin is good, but not great, but if we have Schaub is the main Qb, we will need a better Rb, but if we get a better Qb, Slatin is fine. As far as Hou beating the Titans or rushing well against them, it doesn't really matter, Tenn obviously wasn't taking those games seriously, and for good reason 1) Yes, Dallas was the favorite. They were getting -7 from Vegas lines and most talking heads had the Cowboys winning. 2) Wade and Garrett share a lot of the blame for the results. Garrett's offensive schemes are predictable and everyone knows what to expect now. He hasn't adjusted much as far as his hot routes go or anything else, so it is his fault for not adjusting and improving. Wade has let the team become lazy and content and you will never see a less-prepared team than what we saw Sunday afternoon/evening. That performance is almost 100% on the coaches. 3) Slaton is an extremely good fit for what the Texans do offensively, especially with the offensive line utilizing the Zone Blocking scheme. He's a one cut and go back, nearly hand tailored for what the Texans need.
|
|
|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:09:55 GMT -5
As far as Hou beating the Titans or rushing well against them, it doesn't really matter, Tenn obviously wasn't taking those games seriously, and for good reason Except the fact Tennessee was fighting for home field advantage coming into the 2nd Houston game. Had they won, they would've clinched it, but they ended up having to win against Pittsburgh to actually clinch it. Exactly, it was a warm up game to the one that actually mattered, they knew going in, if the didn't beat Hou, they would have most likely beat Pitt, it's good psychology
|
|
|
Post by Mr. Backlund on Dec 30, 2008 17:13:13 GMT -5
Are you Jerry Jones? Your personnel decisions, scouting and evaluation of talent and loose grasp on reality vaguely remind me of him. Joking aside, you can't be serious on Houston needing a RB, Wade being great, or Jerruh not being dumb. Especiall that first one, Slaton has been great for Houston. Houston needs a Big man RB. They had that with Greene but he was hurt too much. They have Slaton who is a good speed one, but they need a LenDale White type of RB. Someone who is bigger. They need a compliment back, no argument from me, but they're married to an offensive scheme that requires backs to have speed and the ability to make a read, make the proper cut and go. You typically can't grind it out with big boys because your horses up front aren't built for that.
|
|
|
Post by The Wraith on Dec 30, 2008 17:13:43 GMT -5
Except the fact Tennessee was fighting for home field advantage coming into the 2nd Houston game. Had they won, they would've clinched it, but they ended up having to win against Pittsburgh to actually clinch it. Exactly, it was a warm up game to the one that actually mattered, they knew going in, if the didn't beat Hou, they would have most likely beat Pitt, it's good psychology No.....just......no. Now you're just making stuff up to sound like you still know what you're talking about.
|
|
|
Post by MGH on Dec 30, 2008 17:14:12 GMT -5
Except the fact Tennessee was fighting for home field advantage coming into the 2nd Houston game. Had they won, they would've clinched it, but they ended up having to win against Pittsburgh to actually clinch it. Exactly, it was a warm up game to the one that actually mattered, they knew going in, if the didn't beat Hou, they would have most likely beat Pitt, it's good psychology ... The rose colored glasses? Time to take them off. Badly.
|
|
|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:20:33 GMT -5
Dal wasn't the favorite going into Phi, I didn't expect them to win, the had tough breaks late against Pitt and Bal, they needed one of those games, but poop just happened, not that big of a deal, still a solid group of players And how is it the coaches fault for the Phi game? Did he fumble the ball? Kick it out of bounds? Tackle? Slatin is good, but not great, but if we have Schaub is the main Qb, we will need a better Rb, but if we get a better Qb, Slatin is fine. As far as Hou beating the Titans or rushing well against them, it doesn't really matter, Tenn obviously wasn't taking those games seriously, and for good reason 1) Yes, Dallas was the favorite. They were getting -7 from Vegas lines and most talking heads had the Cowboys winning. 2) Wade and Garrett share a lot of the blame for the results. Garrett's offensive schemes are predictable and everyone knows what to expect now. He hasn't adjusted much as far as his hot routes go or anything else, so it is his fault for not adjusting and improving. Wade has let the team become lazy and content and you will never see a less-prepared team than what we saw Sunday afternoon/evening. That performance is almost 100% on the coaches. 3) Slaton is an extremely good fit for what the Texans do offensively, especially with the offensive line utilizing the Zone Blocking scheme. He's a one cut and go back, nearly hand tailored for what the Texans need. 1. Huh, didn't know that, I don't actually look at it from the "odds" standpoint, I look at it from more of the common sense standpoint. Phi at home, playing for a spot, I don't see how Dal could have been favored, especially by 7 2. The coaching staff can't be blamed for the players not coming out to play. Given they didn't do the best job to prepare them, but with the talent Dallas has, they don't have to coach them up . And I don't buy Wade letting the team be lazy. Players are professionals, they are not kids, they shouldn't need a coach ridding them all week long 3. Agreed. But they will be mediocre at best with what they are doing and with what they have got (Not that there is anything wrong with that) But I'm just pointing out what Hou has to do to win the division or at least be a wildcard contender. Like I said, I'm fine with the current team, but if people are going to think a change in coordinator will do anything, they are mistaken
|
|
|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:26:09 GMT -5
Exactly, it was a warm up game to the one that actually mattered, they knew going in, if the didn't beat Hou, they would have most likely beat Pitt, it's good psychology No.....just......no. Now you're just making stuff up to sound like you still know what you're talking about. It's true, playing Hou was still considered an easy win until late this year, teams didn't take us seriously. just look at the Bears in our last game
|
|
|
Post by ani on Dec 30, 2008 17:26:35 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Mr. Backlund on Dec 30, 2008 17:27:12 GMT -5
1) Yes, Dallas was the favorite. They were getting -7 from Vegas lines and most talking heads had the Cowboys winning. 2) Wade and Garrett share a lot of the blame for the results. Garrett's offensive schemes are predictable and everyone knows what to expect now. He hasn't adjusted much as far as his hot routes go or anything else, so it is his fault for not adjusting and improving. Wade has let the team become lazy and content and you will never see a less-prepared team than what we saw Sunday afternoon/evening. That performance is almost 100% on the coaches. 3) Slaton is an extremely good fit for what the Texans do offensively, especially with the offensive line utilizing the Zone Blocking scheme. He's a one cut and go back, nearly hand tailored for what the Texans need. 1. Huh, didn't know that, I don't actually look at it from the "odds" standpoint, I look at it from more of the common sense standpoint. Phi at home, playing for a spot, I don't see how Dal could have been favored, especially by 7 2. The coaching staff can't be blamed for the players not coming out to play. Given they didn't do the best job to prepare them, but with the talent Dallas has, they don't really have to for the majority of the time. And I don't buy Wade letting the team be lazy. Players are professionals, they are not kids, they shouldn't need a coach ridding them all week long 3. Agreed. But they will be mediocre at best with what they are doing and with what they have got (Not that there is anything wrong with that) But I'm just pointing out what Hou has to do to win the division or at least be a wildcard contender. Like I said, I'm fine with the current team, but if people are going to think a change in coordinator will do anything, they are mistaken On Dallas..... There's a problem there and its the same problem that was in Buffalo when Wade coached there and everywhere else Wade has had to instill the personality, resiliancy and mental toughness into the team. He can't and the Cowboys will not win with their current configuration and him as the HC. There are no leaders on that team and there are very few "winners". If you sign TO, Pacman, Tank Johnson, have Tony Romo play starting QB and have Jerry Jones as your owner, you need a strong personality to keep it all together and not hemmoraging like the Boys did at the end of the season. On Houston..... The Giants got rid of "Read and React" Tim Lewis, who had his defense play 10 yards off receivers on 2nd and 1 and who never thought it was too early to go into the prevent offense and signed Steve Spagnoulo, who brought a scheme that complimented the talent they had. They'd go on to win the Super Bowl in year 1 and be the #1 team out of the NFC in year 2. It likely won't play out identically like that for Houston, but coaching makes a huge amount of difference. The reality is, there's not a huge gap in talent as people like to think there is in the NFL. All 11 players on the field have to add up at any given time and that falls to the coaching staff not statistics, Madden ratings or anything else.
|
|
|
Post by MGH on Dec 30, 2008 17:27:31 GMT -5
Holy cow. Maybe I should have, but I did not see that coming from a mile away. Collapses like the one they had call for change though. That was humiliating. Losing to Buffalo may have been worse than the San Diego loss.
|
|
|
Post by Mr. Backlund on Dec 30, 2008 17:29:16 GMT -5
Wow. He deserves it, but still didn't expect it. Shanahan is a really ideal fit for the NY Jets.
|
|
|
Post by The Wraith on Dec 30, 2008 17:35:56 GMT -5
No.....just......no. Now you're just making stuff up to sound like you still know what you're talking about. It's true, playing Hou was still considered an easy win until late this year, teams didn't take us seriously. just look at the Bears in our last game Unless you were having meetings with the coaches of Tennessee and Chicago after their games with Houston, you don't have any proof that what you're saying is true. Both teams were playing against Houston with playoff implications (home field advantage and wild card). WHY would any team with something on the line just stop caring? Because YOU say so? On Houston..... The Giants got rid of "Read and React" Tim Lewis, who had his defense play 10 yards off receivers on 2nd and 1 and who never thought it was too early to go into the prevent offense and signed Steve Spagnoulo, who brought a scheme that complimented the talent they had. They'd go on to win the Super Bowl in year 1 and be the #1 team out of the NFC in year 2. It likely won't play out identically like that for Houston, but coaching makes a huge amount of difference. The reality is, there's not a huge gap in talent as people like to think there is in the NFL. All 11 players on the field have to add up at any given time and that falls to the coaching staff not statistics, Madden ratings or anything else. This Tim Lewis fella sounds exactly like Richard Smith. Even going so far as to drop the defensive ends back in coverage (he'd have freakin' MARIO WILLIAMS drop back in coverage instead of going after the QB!). Also having our DB's 12 yards back on 3rd and 8. ugh. The few times our DC decided to blitz, they almost always worked for us. I know reading the Texans' board and watching the games with my dad and we'd be like "....did they just blitz? Does our DC realize that it's OK to do that in the NFL?"
|
|
Matt
El Dandy
Posts: 8,618
|
Post by Matt on Dec 30, 2008 17:37:42 GMT -5
I am shocked, I think it was the right move but still a shock. Makes you realize that anyone really can be fired.
|
|
|
Post by MGH on Dec 30, 2008 17:38:22 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by The Wraith on Dec 30, 2008 17:38:24 GMT -5
I am shocked, I think it was the right move but still a shock. Makes you realize that anyone really can be fired. Except Wade Phillips. He's too awesome to be let go!
|
|
|
Post by MGH on Dec 30, 2008 17:39:21 GMT -5
I am shocked, I think it was the right move but still a shock. Makes you realize that anyone really can be fired. Except Wade Phillips. He's too awesome to be let go! After the way he maneuvered the team through murky waters how could he be?!
|
|
|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:40:39 GMT -5
1. Huh, didn't know that, I don't actually look at it from the "odds" standpoint, I look at it from more of the common sense standpoint. Phi at home, playing for a spot, I don't see how Dal could have been favored, especially by 7 2. The coaching staff can't be blamed for the players not coming out to play. Given they didn't do the best job to prepare them, but with the talent Dallas has, they don't really have to for the majority of the time. And I don't buy Wade letting the team be lazy. Players are professionals, they are not kids, they shouldn't need a coach ridding them all week long 3. Agreed. But they will be mediocre at best with what they are doing and with what they have got (Not that there is anything wrong with that) But I'm just pointing out what Hou has to do to win the division or at least be a wildcard contender. Like I said, I'm fine with the current team, but if people are going to think a change in coordinator will do anything, they are mistaken On Dallas..... There's a problem there and its the same problem that was in Buffalo when Wade coached there and everywhere else Wade has had to instill the personality, resiliancy and mental toughness into the team. He can't and the Cowboys will not win with their current configuration and him as the HC. There are no leaders on that team and there are very few "winners". If you sign TO, Pacman, Tank Johnson, have Tony Romo play starting QB and have Jerry Jones as your owner, you need a strong personality to keep it all together and not hemmoraging like the Boys did at the end of the season. On Houston..... The Giants got rid of "Read and React" Tim Lewis, who had his defense play 10 yards off receivers on 2nd and 1 and who never thought it was too early to go into the prevent offense and signed Steve Spagnoulo, who brought a scheme that complimented the talent they had. They'd go on to win the Super Bowl in year 1 and be the #1 team out of the NFC in year 2. It likely won't play out identically like that for Houston, but coaching makes a huge amount of difference. The reality is, there's not a huge gap in talent as people like to think there is in the NFL. All 11 players on the field have to add up at any given time and that falls to the coaching staff not statistics, Madden ratings or anything else. I've only been following Wade since he has been with Dallas, I think he's done a good job in the two years he has been there, could they do better, sure, could they do worse, sure. I think it falls on the players at the end of the day for a teams success and failures As far as Hou situation. That's an interesting and good point but I don't see that happening to this Texan team
|
|
|
Post by y2jfan on Dec 30, 2008 17:43:15 GMT -5
Well it was pretty obvious, was anybody talking about the Texans before their win streak?
|
|