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Post by twiggy101 on Jan 1, 2009 16:08:38 GMT -5
I love it. Makes shows much more exciting. It shows how much unity some crowds have. I'll take vulgar chants over silence any day. And there isn't really anything wrong about crowds disapproving some things that WWE presents. One thing I really hate is how the WWE announcers misinterpret crowd reactions. Big Show vs Batista at the Hammerstein Ballroom for example.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2009 16:20:48 GMT -5
The crowd IS the show..Without them it would just be grown men in tights pretend-fighting and sniffing each others armpits. Any crowd reaction is GOOD because it adds to the show and gives the wrestlers something to feed off going forward in their matches THat's ridiculous. I pay little to no attention to the crowd and seem to enjoy the shows more than most people here.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 1, 2009 16:40:45 GMT -5
I'm not on either side as an absolute.
If they are simply cheering for whom they like and booing whom they hate, fine. When a crowd is hot like that, it adds to the atmosphere, whether they like the faces or the heels. A crowd that's into it makes the match more fun. It's ridiculous to boo faces or heels to spite anyone, I think, but as long as that's all they do, fine.
If they are doing it to get themselves notices over the product, I think it's bad. In my mind, having a ticket gives you the right to cheer or boo who you want, but once you attempt to disrupt the experience, either the production of it or the enjoyment for other fans, you've crossed the line. Of course, I tend to think that's usually more of the individual than anything else.
I hate the stupid "What?" chants. I hated them when Austin did it and I hate them now. However, they don't disrupt the show and fans have every right to chant it.
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Post by indymadman on Jan 1, 2009 16:41:56 GMT -5
If the crowd is reacting to what is in the ring... it's awesome (take One Night Stand 06... crowd reaction MADE the match because it's exactly what would have happened in ECW and it was a ECW reuniontype show).
Forced reactions drive me crazy! For example, in TNA during the AMW vs. XXX cage match, which was already awesome in its own right, had Jerry Borash directing the chants (you can see him do it in the dvd). It didn't need to be directed... let the crowds react on their own.
Also, chanting with the characters is ok in my book... chanting "What" in 2008 during a Vince McMahon/DX segement is not...
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Post by seamonsters on Jan 1, 2009 16:46:56 GMT -5
They need to sometimes understand the crowds and book to the likes and dislikes of a crowd. They need to get to know them better. And for the love of god, please don't put over Manchester United at the MEN arena. Manchester City Center is the team you're looking for. Manchester City, rather than Manchester City Centre. But no, that would be a terrible idea, because: a) as far as the rest of the UK is concerned, Manchester City have often been a bit of a joke club. b) City fans are more likely to come from Manchester than United fans, but more Manchester football fans support United than City. c) at a Manchester show, you're going to have fans from all north west clubs there, in the Premier League alone, Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Stoke and the two Manchester clubs would have fans attending a show in Manchester. It's not like North America where a state will own a single franchise in the big leagues, in the UK, there are a lot of teams in similar geographical regions. It's best to avoid team colours if you want a cheap face reaction. d) actually, can the WWE be a little less patronising when they're in the UK in general? There's no need for red phone boxes (which have pretty much died out over the last 20 years), red buses (which only existed in London, and are a lot different now than the ones the WWE shows) and beefeaters (there's like 10 in the whole country). In Manchester, they showed pictures of London, in a while ago a Birmingham show had all the right images, but the WWE decided just to call it "England". There are much smaller cities in the US that don't get patronised like this, why should we?
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Jan 1, 2009 16:54:17 GMT -5
They paid for their ticket, they have the right to do whatever the hell they want to, as long as they aren't breaking any rules. This. And I rather enjoyed the old ECW style crowds. And yeah I'd rather here the fans saying WHAT?! during promos than sitting on their hands being as silent as a freakin' library.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 1, 2009 17:11:35 GMT -5
They need to sometimes understand the crowds and book to the likes and dislikes of a crowd. They need to get to know them better. And for the love of god, please don't put over Manchester United at the MEN arena. Manchester City Center is the team you're looking for. Manchester City, rather than Manchester City Centre. But no, that would be a terrible idea, because: a) as far as the rest of the UK is concerned, Manchester City have often been a bit of a joke club. b) City fans are more likely to come from Manchester than United fans, but more Manchester football fans support United than City. c) at a Manchester show, you're going to have fans from all north west clubs there, in the Premier League alone, Liverpool, Everton, Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Stoke and the two Manchester clubs would have fans attending a show in Manchester. It's not like North America where a state will own a single franchise in the big leagues, in the UK, there are a lot of teams in similar geographical regions. It's best to avoid team colours if you want a cheap face reaction. d) actually, can the WWE be a little less patronising when they're in the UK in general? There's no need for red phone boxes (which have pretty much died out over the last 20 years), red buses (which only existed in London, and are a lot different now than the ones the WWE shows) and beefeaters (there's like 10 in the whole country). In Manchester, they showed pictures of London, in a while ago a Birmingham show had all the right images, but the WWE decided just to call it "England". There are much smaller cities in the US that don't get patronised like this, why should we? Agreed 100%. Especially point D.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 1, 2009 17:17:07 GMT -5
I'm against it. It really annoys me when you've got the whole crowd cheering for a face and one loud mouthed guy cheering for the heel. It always seems like they're looking for attention more than anything. I respect the guys in the ring, if heel wrestlers get booed it means they're doing a good job so if i ever went to a live event I would boo them. John Morrison and The Brian Kendrick are two of my favourite wrestlers at the moment, I respect them and what they do and since they are heels I would boo them. I read an interview with Raven before where he said as a heel he finds it more respectful if the crowd boo him and so that is what I do....unless of course the face was someone I really couldn't stand like Ricky Ortiz The fans that annoy me most though are the sign guy wannabes like the "real sign guys wear orange and green" guy...he's just a lame attention seeker ripping off an idea from another lame attention seeker.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jan 1, 2009 17:36:24 GMT -5
Yeah, a wrestling show is much better when it's so quiet you can hear the wrestlings calling the spots Look at the CM Punk/Chris Jericho match, it was good but the crowd made it soo much better. Especially with the Walls of Jericho sequence. Who cares if people cheer the heel or boo the face every once in awhile. The irony is that anti-smarks say if you don't like it then change the channel, well I'll say the same thing. The WWE will always come to the UK and Canada and if you don't like it when the crowd doesn't act the way you want it to, then turn the volume off or just don't watch when RAW/Smackdown is taking place there.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 1, 2009 17:37:33 GMT -5
I hate the stupid "What?" chants. I hated them when Austin did it and I hate them now. However, they don't disrupt the show and fans have every right to chant it. I'm all for extreme violations of the 8th Amendment for any idiot who joins in that idiotic "what" chant.
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Post by indymadman on Jan 1, 2009 17:51:22 GMT -5
Signs annoy me WAY MORE THAN CROWDS CHANTING.
Signs are there just to get the sign holder over... no other reason. Only one sign ever in my opinion has really contributed to a show, and that is "If Cena wins we riot."
At least crowds chanting are into the show... nothing drives me crazy than the 1000 looks from the front row of people NOT watching the match but watching the jumbotron to see if they are on tv so they can hold up their lame-ass sign and block the views of others.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 1, 2009 18:16:26 GMT -5
In my mind, having a ticket gives you the right to cheer or boo who you want, but once you attempt to disrupt the experience, either the production of it or the enjoyment for other fans, you've crossed the line. I whole heartedly agree with these comments.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 1, 2009 18:24:53 GMT -5
Yeah, a wrestling show is much better when it's so quiet you can hear the wrestlings calling the spots Look at the CM Punk/Chris Jericho match, it was good but the crowd made it soo much better. Especially with the Walls of Jericho sequence. Who cares if people cheer the heel or boo the face every once in awhile. The irony is that anti-smarks say if you don't like it then change the channel, well I'll say the same thing. The WWE will always come to the UK and Canada and if you don't like it when the crowd doesn't act the way you want it to, then turn the volume off or just don't watch when RAW/Smackdown is taking place there. I should have made myself clearer, I don't mind the heels been cheered if it adds to the atmosphere like the Punk vs Jericho match and Cenas matches against Edge. It's guys who cheer for any heel in that loud obnoxious sounding voice purely to get themselves over and look "cool" in front of the other people there. If the crowds 50/50 in a match it's great. Makes the match so much more entertaining, hell even if the crowd are 90% behind the heel for whatever reason. It's the individuals who continue yelling the heels name over and over again regardless of whether anybody else is joining in or not.
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Post by romafan87 on Jan 1, 2009 18:26:44 GMT -5
My favorite crowd member ever who tries to get himself over is this 300 lbs + man who dresses up exclusively in neons, brings various hand percussion and is at least 45+ years old. He's been at every Chikara show that I've ever been at and does the traditional chants to "get himself over", but he does them in PG form. It's pretty unique.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 1, 2009 18:29:09 GMT -5
My favorite crowd member ever who tries to get himself over is this 300 lbs + man who dresses up exclusively in neons, brings various hand percussion and is at least 45+ years old. He's been at every Chikara show that I've ever been at and does the traditional chants to "get himself over", but he does them in PG form. It's pretty unique. I hate those type of fans.
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Post by dh03grad on Jan 1, 2009 18:29:28 GMT -5
Crowds that care....crowds that do not care...that would be a tough choice, eh?
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Post by Desi on Jan 1, 2009 18:30:50 GMT -5
They can boo or cheer whoever they like, but when they start doing the wave or start randomly singing something that has nothing to do with the show, it gets annoying fast.
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Post by seamonsters on Jan 1, 2009 19:40:16 GMT -5
I read an interview with Raven before where he said as a heel he finds it more respectful if the crowd boo him and so that is what I do....unless of course the face was someone I really couldn't stand like Ricky Ortiz Lance Strorm said in one of his commentaries a while back, that if a heel gets too many cheers, it can be seen by as not getting over correctly, and could harm their push.
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Post by TheKillShot on Jan 1, 2009 20:00:38 GMT -5
I remember when the WWE was in Canada late last year (2008), and Canadians started to sing their national anthem.
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Post by Loki on Jan 1, 2009 20:31:35 GMT -5
There's a thin line between an enjoyable and "different" crowd and an annoying "sheepishly alternative" crowd trying to get themselves over.
Different crowds in different places can like and dislike different things, so variety is much welcome, even when it's a change of pace from the kinda omologated standard WWE audience.
Moderately smarkish towns, Canada and overseas countries usually make it for entertaining chants and funny, out-of-the-box reactions.
Ubersmarkish crowds who give the impression of having bought the ticket just for the "right" to act like total asses are definitely less funny.
People chanting "you can't wrestle" and "you smurfed up" should be ejected, or offered a 1 month contract as wage-less sparring partner for FCW guys. And don't get me started on morons chanting "change the channel" or "we want wrestling" or "TNA/ROH/RWF"... You can totally foresee what you're getting when you buy the ticket, so either STFU or make a deal with your brain next time you buy tickets for something you don't even like
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