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Post by erisi236 on Feb 21, 2009 13:41:34 GMT -5
Barkers shorts stories are dying for some kind of anthology movie, most of the full length flicks have been pretty good, but even the best of them have padding that wasn't in the actual stories. 3 or 4 stories in one movie would be great.
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 21, 2009 13:50:10 GMT -5
Oh, Rawhead Rex...what a movie. I agree about "Drawn-out-itis" as it is really easy to just wakl away, do something, and come back without really being behind in the story. O'Brien's shouts of "Rawhead...they call him RAWHEAD!" and "Kill me....I HOPE!" were unintentionally hilarious. Well, plenty of the parts fell under that category for me. Barker hated it and has no problem talking about how he wasn't happy with the final result. I can understand why as the movie comes out as nothing much else than a monster-on-the-loose movie compared to whatever underlying idea he had in mind. One of the funnier movie reviews that Matt has done. www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0802/index.htmlRawhead Rex was a movie that was screwed over by two things: (1) a budget not befitting Barker's screenplay, and (2) acting so horrendous that the overall levels of suckness in the acting department would not be approached until Gigli. And no, I'm not exaggerating - the main protagonist in Rawhead Rex is just bad beyond compare. It takes his freaking KID DYING (and, to me, killing a kid in any movie is a fairly major deal) for us to feel ANYTHING toward him because he's so wooden. Also, what have we got for horror flicks on the horizon? If nothing else, the Nicholas Cage film Knowing should be good for some unintentional hilarity due to its (apparent) epic badness. Thank you for that link. It's been a long time since I've been on X-Entertainment and I don't know how I missed that when I was visiting the site. The kid dying is a big deal in these movies...and the father just kind of stands there at the gate watching and going "Oh noooo!" in a most uninterested fashion. Then later, when talking about the monster he ACTUALLY says, "I've seen it. I watched it eat my son." in such a bored way that so many "Wow, you're an awful father, aren't you?" thoughts to me. And, as for Knowing, it's been a running joke between friends and family of mine since seeing a preview for it before Hancock. The dramatic end line "What happens when the numbers run out?" is just ripe for reply. "What happens when the numbers run out?" "Um...the paper is full?" "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The world explodes because they didn't use 11 x 15." "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The movie thankfully ends."
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 21, 2009 13:55:53 GMT -5
Barkers shorts stories are dying for some kind of anthology movie, most of the full length flicks have been pretty good, but even the best of them have padding that wasn't in the actual stories. 3 or 4 stories in one movie would be great. Actually, the plan in motion right now is to make several movies based on the Books Of Blood. MMT was only the beginning. Next in the chute is Book Of Blood, which will combine the stories "On Jerusalem Street" and "The Book of Blood", and then "Dread".
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 21, 2009 13:56:51 GMT -5
One of the funnier movie reviews that Matt has done. www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0802/index.htmlRawhead Rex was a movie that was screwed over by two things: (1) a budget not befitting Barker's screenplay, and (2) acting so horrendous that the overall levels of suckness in the acting department would not be approached until Gigli. And no, I'm not exaggerating - the main protagonist in Rawhead Rex is just bad beyond compare. It takes his freaking KID DYING (and, to me, killing a kid in any movie is a fairly major deal) for us to feel ANYTHING toward him because he's so wooden. Also, what have we got for horror flicks on the horizon? If nothing else, the Nicholas Cage film Knowing should be good for some unintentional hilarity due to its (apparent) epic badness. Thank you for that link. It's been a long time since I've been on X-Entertainment and I don't know how I missed that when I was visiting the site. The kid dying is a big deal in these movies...and the father just kind of stands there at the gate watching and going "Oh noooo!" in a most uninterested fashion. Then later, when talking about the monster he ACTUALLY says, "I've seen it. I watched it eat my son." in such a bored way that so many "Wow, you're an awful father, aren't you?" thoughts to me. And, as for Knowing, it's been a running joke between friends and family of mine since seeing a preview for it before Hancock. The dramatic end line "What happens when the numbers run out?" is just ripe for reply. "What happens when the numbers run out?" "Um...the paper is full?" "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The world explodes because they didn't use 11 x 15." "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The movie thankfully ends." Is your family Mike, Joel, and the Bots?
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 21, 2009 14:27:58 GMT -5
Thank you for that link. It's been a long time since I've been on X-Entertainment and I don't know how I missed that when I was visiting the site. The kid dying is a big deal in these movies...and the father just kind of stands there at the gate watching and going "Oh noooo!" in a most uninterested fashion. Then later, when talking about the monster he ACTUALLY says, "I've seen it. I watched it eat my son." in such a bored way that so many "Wow, you're an awful father, aren't you?" thoughts to me. And, as for Knowing, it's been a running joke between friends and family of mine since seeing a preview for it before Hancock. The dramatic end line "What happens when the numbers run out?" is just ripe for reply. "What happens when the numbers run out?" "Um...the paper is full?" "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The world explodes because they didn't use 11 x 15." "What happens when the numbers run out?" "The movie thankfully ends." Is your family Mike, Joel, and the Bots? Distant relatives of Cambot, actually. AHHH, WE GOT MOVIE SIGN!!!
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Feb 21, 2009 14:35:10 GMT -5
Funny stuff, Mysterydriver. ;D Barkers shorts stories are dying for some kind of anthology movie, most of the full length flicks have been pretty good, but even the best of them have padding that wasn't in the actual stories. 3 or 4 stories in one movie would be great. THIS...and I'm also very stoked for the upcoming movie based on his Tortured Souls toyline. I actually bought the entire figure line just for those little booklets that came with them; they were THAT good. His novel Imajica is probably his masterwork, but much like John Travolta SHOULD have learned with Battlefield: Earth, massive 800-page novels that create whole new worlds don't necessarily translate to film that well, and, barring someone like Guillermo Del Toro directing, Hollywood should leave that one alone. It appears we're all in agreement on this statement... = 100% pure awesome. ;D
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Post by mysterydriver on Feb 22, 2009 1:45:09 GMT -5
First, I'll say that I definitely agree on the need for more anthologies. I wish that those making decisions would decide to release a group of tight stories compared to drawing one of those stories out with dreadful padding just to squeak out separate releases in order to grab for more money.
Now, since we're seemingly on a "Clive Barker" conversation, I was just wondering what thoughts everyone has on "Lord of Illusions"? The story (to give a back cover style description) involves Swann, an illusionist using the teachings of cult leader Nix to make a name for himself. Since he's using "real magic" he is shunned and ostracized by magicians. When an illusion performed by Swann goes horribly wrong, private detective Harry D'Amour is contacted by Swann's widow Dorothea to investigate the strange occurrences surrounding it.
I really thought that Scott Bakula did a great job as the D'Amour and found the film noir style really drawing. It combines mystery and horror in a great fashion, grabbing my attention and not letting go until the end.
I've read that the Director's Cut DVD has a commentary by Barker on it, and one of these days I'll break down and buy it.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Feb 22, 2009 1:56:02 GMT -5
I have not read the short story yet, but I generally liked the movie.
It's a bit of a change of pace if one has only seen Hellraiser or Candyman or the like, but it does ring with that distinctive urban fantasy that Barker generally infuses with his work.
Also... I saw F13th... and it was... sufficient for me.
Not much for me to say beyond that.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 22, 2009 1:57:30 GMT -5
I rather enjoyed Lord Of Illusions, although I needed 2 watchings to have the plot fully soak in. The stuff with Nix was crazy, and I did enjoy Bakula in it.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Feb 22, 2009 2:28:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Lord of Illusions is pretty cool. Add it to the list of things that make Barker the Official WC Horror Thread's patron saint.
That list, so far: - Books of Blood Vol. 1-6 - Candyman - Nightbreed and the novel Cabal that the film is taken from - Hellraiser 1-3 - Imajica - Midnight Meat Train - The Tortured Souls toyline and novelette - ...and now, Lord of Illusions
On an off subject, I also have to say that it's awesome that so many other people have caught onto this thread and are now contributing to it on a regular basis. Check out page 2 of this thread, when it was the TR, Rorschach and Tehboobz show. ;D
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Post by DSR on Feb 22, 2009 10:11:06 GMT -5
That list, so far: - Books of Blood Vol. 1-6- Candyman- Nightbreed and the novel Cabal that the film is taken from - Hellraiser 1-3- Imajica- Midnight Meat Train- The Tortured Souls toyline and novelette - ...and now, Lord of Illusions*cough-You-forgot-Quicksilver-Highway-cough* And, here's a few quick reviews of my last couple ventures into horror territory: 1.) Freaks (1932) - Tod Browning's revenge drama set in a circus sideshow. A beautiful trapeze artist plays upon the affection of a wealthy sideshow midget in order to get her hands on his money, while also engaging in a romantic relationship with the carnival strongman. When the midget Hans and his fellow sideshow performers are wronged by the "normal" couple, they exact a brutal revenge in a harrowing sequence that's still pretty haunting today. Browning cast actual circus "freaks" throughout, with only a handful of "normal" actors showing up. This sort of hurts the film, in that the "freaks" can't really act, but they're all given endearing qualities and amid the narrative are several scenes of these performers doing their everyday activities. The camerawork isn't necessarily better than that of Dracula (a film I lambasted way back in the earlygoing of this thread), but you can tell that this subject matter was nearer and dearer to the heart of Browning. Unfortunately, audiences and the studio looked less favorably on the film, and the studio cut a good 30 minutes from the runtime (though, audiences still hated the picture). I would really love to see those 30 minutes (including the original ending), but they seem to be lost. I can't remember if I've been going with a four or five star system...but I give this 3 out of 4 stars. 2.) Jack the Ripper (1976) - I'll be brief, here. You've got an actual 1880s prostitute murderer who was never caught, you give this concept to director Jesus Franco, and what do you get? Why, you get Klaus Kinski in period costume and plenty of gore and nudity! Particularly, nudity featuring women from before plastic surgery became customary for women with no talent trying to find acting work. Nobody's gonna win any awards for it (and Kinski himself didn't care for the picture), but its awful in ways that are quite entertaining. Franco is one of many filmmakers who have used the Jack the Ripper murders as the basis for a film, and given the lack of any real resolution to the case, many filmmakers could pretty much just make whatever movie they wanted with it, just set it in turn of the century London. Funnily enough, Franco had the audacity to change the one concrete fact of the case (that The Ripper was never caught) for his picture! I give this 3 out of 4 stars, as well, though this is in the "so bad its good" category.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 22, 2009 10:18:17 GMT -5
Clive Barker falls into the saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself"
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Feb 22, 2009 12:42:57 GMT -5
Speaking of Jack the Ripper, I'm actually kind of a fan of the 1959 movie also entitled Jack the Ripper...and also because it falls into the "so bad it's good" category. It came out at a time when one of the many theories about the identity of the killer was that he was the father of a man who contracted ciphalis from a prostitute, and thus decided to gain vengeance against said prostitute...named Mary Kelly. According to the theory, he tracked down prostitutes, asked them if they knew where Mary Kelly was, and then killed them to cover his trail before finally finding Kelly and completing his mission, at which point the Ripper killed himself.
The 1959 Jack the Ripper is essentially that story, with two things that make the film hilarious - (1) despite the fact that the film takes place in 1888 London, the hero has a 1950s-style Elvis rock n' roll hairdo, and (2) The Ripper himself screaming "Paul...Paul....PPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAUUUUULLLLLL!" with such sudden vehemence at the end of the film that it's my one and only facebook movie quote.
Oh, and according to this movie, the reason the Ripper was never found is because the Ripper, in an attempt to hide from the search of the aforementioned Elvis-haired hero, attempted to hide in an elevator shaft at which point he accidentally locks himself inside and is crushed by an elevator. Good times.
I give the 1959 Jack the Ripper **, but it's a blast to watch.
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Post by erisi236 on Feb 22, 2009 13:37:24 GMT -5
'From Hell' is my favorite jack the Ripper movie, it's a pretty weird, dreamy, drug induced kind of flick that appeals to my sensibilities.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Feb 22, 2009 13:54:39 GMT -5
'From Hell' is my favorite jack the Ripper movie, it's a pretty weird, dreamy, drug induced kind of flick that appeals to my sensibilities. As far as pure quality goes, From Hell is pretty easily the best Jack the Ripper movie that has been made.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 22, 2009 14:03:45 GMT -5
'From Hell' is my favorite jack the Ripper movie, it's a pretty weird, dreamy, drug induced kind of flick that appeals to my sensibilities. As far as pure quality goes, From Hell is pretty easily the best Jack the Ripper movie that has been made. I still find it odd that Alan Moore despises that movie, considering that it turned out pretty good, if not a little glossy. But then again, if Alan had his way, none of his books would get made into movies.
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Post by Chainsaw on Feb 22, 2009 14:07:10 GMT -5
And as far as Clive Barker is concerned, the one series of books that I wish would get translated to movies is "The Great And Secret Show" and "Everville". It's such an epic, crazy, disturbing series, and I think they would make great movies.
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Post by King of Fighters on Feb 22, 2009 15:37:54 GMT -5
As far as pure quality goes, From Hell is pretty easily the best Jack the Ripper movie that has been made. I still find it odd that Alan Moore despises that movie, considering that it turned out pretty good, if not a little glossy. But then again, if Alan had his way, none of his books would get made into movies. Alan Moore is the quintessential old coot. You should ahve seen the bitching he did when For the Man Who Has Everything was made into an episode of the Justice League.
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Post by DSR on Feb 22, 2009 18:16:24 GMT -5
'From Hell' is my favorite jack the Ripper movie, it's a pretty weird, dreamy, drug induced kind of flick that appeals to my sensibilities. As far as pure quality goes, From Hell is pretty easily the best Jack the Ripper movie that has been made. We'll see...I still have Hitchcock's "The Lodger" to watch. Though, as it stands, I'm inclined to agree with you.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 22, 2009 18:28:10 GMT -5
I still find it odd that Alan Moore despises that movie, considering that it turned out pretty good, if not a little glossy. But then again, if Alan had his way, none of his books would get made into movies. Alan Moore is the quintessential old coot. You should ahve seen the bitching he did when For the Man Who Has Everything was made into an episode of the Justice League. That was a damn good episode and all But anyway I liked "From Hell"
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