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Post by thesam07 on Mar 4, 2009 6:14:39 GMT -5
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Mar 4, 2009 6:16:31 GMT -5
WHAT! David..... David Stratton.......... David 'I have a hard on for art house foreign films' Stratton liked this film
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Post by thesam07 on Mar 4, 2009 6:18:46 GMT -5
WHAT! David..... David Stratton.......... David 'I have a hard on for art house foreign films' Stratton liked this film This is one of the signs of the Apocolypse.
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Tarik Dee
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Post by Tarik Dee on Mar 4, 2009 9:16:14 GMT -5
oh yesssssss!!!
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 4, 2009 13:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 4, 2009 13:51:13 GMT -5
Wait....DAVID HAYTER, David f***ing Hayter, aka the voice of Solid Snake, wrote the script?!
Oh...f***....yes!!!!
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 4, 2009 13:53:49 GMT -5
I think it's something else entirely, folks: I think it's these same critics who just absolutely creamed a river for THE DARK KNIGHT having trouble, serious trouble, digesting something as complex, layered, and non-traditional as WATCHMEN. They need not have read the book, though that will help immensely....they just have no grasp of the complexities of this material. They want it to be "Hero A fights Villains B and C and D and has Personal Problem X to overcome, thus equaling the desired, ride-into-the-sunset ending that we want" formula. It doesn't do that, so they give it three dismissive wank gestures, write up a scathing review, and call it a day. Bottom line is, they've been so trained by FANTASTIC snorkUP FOUR, SPIDER=MAN, XMEN, BATMAN BEGINS and even THE DARK KNIGHT as to what to expect out of a comic book film, that when something like WATCHMEN comes around, they don't know WHAT to do with it. This is exactly what I was expecting, too. As a fan of comics, it always offends me when movie critics pan comic book movies. They don't know jack about the source material, so they have no basis to form an opinion about the movie. It sounds like they dislike Watchmen for not being some formulaic "comic book movie", and that's just ridiculous. Argh. I could rant all day about the mainstream and how they have no right to judge or have opinions about OUR movies. When I say "OUR" I mean comic book fans. Batman is ours, X-Men is ours, Watchmen is ours. The only people who can have a valid opinion on any of these films are people who know the source. Well to be honest, Watchmen isn't a formulaic comic book. Like Rorschach said, it is its own entity. You won't find anything else like it. I mean even amongst comic book fans many people don't know what to think of it. I mean for f***'s sakes, almost everyone who likes the novel don't even fully "get" it. Remember, Rorschach is overall the most popular character from the book, yet Alan Moore meant for all of us to HATE HIM.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 4, 2009 14:03:37 GMT -5
And for the most part, he did his job for me. Rorschach always struck me as kind of a pathetic psycho you wouldn't want to identify with..
But then, I liked the villain, so take that for what it's worth.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 4, 2009 14:09:52 GMT -5
And for the most part, he did his job for me. Rorschach always struck me as kind of a pathetic psycho you wouldn't want to identify with.. But then, I liked the villain, so take that for what it's worth. I can understand how people could like Veidt. The dude is the closest a "normal" human could get to super powers. Only problem is, he didn't fully think things through and Rorschach could still potentially screw everything up.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Mar 4, 2009 14:50:07 GMT -5
I'm honestly dreading next week, as it pertains to this movie.... you just know the large majority of people who go to see this will not be familiar with the comic and will expect a group of superheroes known as "The Watchmen" going around to stopping evil in its tracks. They'll walk out and sway, "The hell was that? That sucked!" then go on "Best Week Ever" and all these lame-ass pop culture shows talking about how much it sucked.... leading it tank.
This is a hell of a niche movie as you have the uninitiated who will think it sucks because they didn't know what to expect.
The purists who hate the idea of this movie even being made, who will say it sucks.
The people who like the idea of the movie and like the comic, but didn't like how the movie came across.
and finally the people who like the comic and liked the movie... which will most likely be the smallest contigent.
so, I honestly have to declare this movie as "Bomb-proof".... regardless of how much or how little money it brings in, it cannot bomb as anyone who understands the risk involved with it can't realistically expect it to be a blockbuster.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 4, 2009 15:07:21 GMT -5
It won't surprise me at all if it bombs in a traditional sense. I just hope I enjoy it.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Mar 4, 2009 15:17:26 GMT -5
And for the most part, he did his job for me. Rorschach always struck me as kind of a pathetic psycho you wouldn't want to identify with.. But then, I liked the villain, so take that for what it's worth. I'm the same way. I hated Rorschach, loved Veidt.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 4, 2009 15:18:05 GMT -5
Well that's another of us that r smrt.
heh.
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Post by Jam on Mar 4, 2009 15:36:49 GMT -5
I'm half way through the graphic novel, and having never read it before, and kicking my own ass for taking so long to get around to it. Absolutely amazing stuff in this book and I can't wait to see the film. Midnight showing at the IMAX here I come! ;D
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 4, 2009 15:43:41 GMT -5
Well that's another of us that r smrt. heh. Hey, I'm smart. Veidt is a good character and was by far the BIGGEST swerve I had ever seen first time through. However, the more I go back and read, the more I realize that Veidt didn't think things through. First off he didn't take into account the mass disappearances of great cultural minds like Max Shea and Hira Marish would make people wonder what happened to them, and he didn't take into account that Rorschach had a journal that recorded everything, let alone mail this journal to his favorite newspaper. If Veidt wanted to be sure, he would have destroyed all of New York City, not just a portion of the city. Remember what Seymour's boss said "3 million New Yorkers died, and you weren't one of them." And it is Seymour who could unravel Veidt's plans and thus bring World War 3 to the world. So while Veidt is a good character, and in my mind an overall better character to Rorschach, he proved to be just as imperfect as the rest of the Crimebusters were.
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 4, 2009 16:27:03 GMT -5
Well that's another of us that r smrt. heh. *Hrrrm* Discussion of Veidt leaves bad taste in my mouth. ;D
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 4, 2009 16:32:07 GMT -5
Well that's another of us that r smrt. heh. *Hrrrm* Discussion of Veidt leaves bad taste in my mouth. ;D Possibly homosexual, must remember to investigate further....
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Post by Rorschach on Mar 4, 2009 17:18:49 GMT -5
Dreiberg equally dissapointing. Has become a flabby shell that sits in his basement and cries.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 4, 2009 17:20:59 GMT -5
Well that's another of us that r smrt. heh. *Hrrrm* Discussion of Veidt leaves bad taste in my mouth. ;D At least HE bathes.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 4, 2009 18:43:45 GMT -5
This is exactly what I was expecting, too. As a fan of comics, it always offends me when movie critics pan comic book movies. They don't know jack about the source material, so they have no basis to form an opinion about the movie. It sounds like they dislike Watchmen for not being some formulaic "comic book movie", and that's just ridiculous. Argh. I could rant all day about the mainstream and how they have no right to judge or have opinions about OUR movies. When I say "OUR" I mean comic book fans. Batman is ours, X-Men is ours, Watchmen is ours. The only people who can have a valid opinion on any of these films are people who know the source. Well to be honest, Watchmen isn't a formulaic comic book. Like Rorschach said, it is its own entity. You won't find anything else like it. I mean even amongst comic book fans many people don't know what to think of it. I mean for snork's sakes, almost everyone who likes the novel don't even fully "get" it. Remember, Rorschach is overall the most popular character from the book, yet Alan Moore meant for all of us to HATE HIM. Um... way to illustrate your own point? There is no good and evil in Watchmen. You're free to love, like, dislike or hate who ever you want. There is a very deep rooted emotional core to the characters, but they're ultimately a satire. Moore found Rorschach to be a repugnant character and it simply amuses him how popular he is. The freedom the novel presents, is what most people find confusing because most artists / authors won't give you that freedom. Even supposedly educated folks don't get it because contemporary education systems teach people what to think and not now to think. Moore, much like his hero, the late great brilliant Robert Anton Wilson, wants his work to raise the consciousness of the reader into a state of agnosticism, not about just religion but about everything. Its a noble cause, that for me only the very best thinkers and artists pursue. Frank Zappa and Werner Herzog are some others that make it a central theme in their work. The whole point of Watchmen, in my opinion is there is no "right" or "wrong" way to read the book. No past, no present, no future. etc. Nothing is random, nor ever totally planned out, etc... Everything is one big mess of a universe.
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