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Post by Rorschach on Jun 8, 2009 13:04:43 GMT -5
Here is my response from the other place where you posted this, in case some people haven't been there: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For starters, he's not saying anything I haven't already heard from the collective crybaby hive-mind of the internet five thousand times <I'm trying to be tongue-in-cheek here, by the way>. Also, "Dying" seems a bit melodramatic when you consider: Number 7 - "Quantity over quality" is not a recent adage. When VHS came to prominence in the 80s, so too did the direct-to-video market, filled with lousy horror films. And before that was the low-budget drive-in, grindhouse, and B movie markets. Have their been creative minds at work in those venues? Yes. Were they ALL creative? No. Same could be said for the current direct-to-dvd crowd. Number 5 - So basically, he's saying lousy effects create lousy movies. We, the horror film viewing public, have suffered through lousy effects for decades. If a film's written fairly well, the limitations of effects are usually overcome. Number 4 - "The PG-13 rating plays to the teeny bopper crowd, who will scream in terror at every single cheap scare inserted throughout." See also: most horror movies made ever. Adults have typically frowned on the films since their inception, and again the drive-in market and the matinee were often hotbeds for teenage activity. "It also robs potentially good films of any kind of legitimacy with unrealistic dialogue, little suspense, and moderate violence." If you can't build suspense as a filmmaker, having naked, blood-drenched lesbians say the f-word fifty times in a half-hour isn't going to help you. Number 1 - Yes, there are more remakes being made now than there were in the 40s. There's more movies total being made now than in those days, too. And, need I remind you, that many classics of the genre are remakes? 1931's Frankenstein and Dracula films: remakes. Hammer studio's Frankenstein and Dracula pictures: remakes. John Carpenter's The Thing: remake. Cronenberg's The Fly: remake. If you'll pardon the pun, the horror genre has always had a history of cannibalizing previous ideas and telling those old stories in new ways. Horror didn't die when any of the things this guy (or his brethren on many message boards I've read) mentions were cropping up at various points in the history of cinema. I don't think there's any reason to assume that NOW, all of a sudden, the genre is just going to quietly march to its grave and rest in peace. I'd just like to add. Number 3 ~ Torture/Rape was vastly more "popular" in the '70's. In fact the few that are made today are homages and or actual remakes of them. Really? I guess that explains CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST's blockbuster box office. ;D Seriously, I see what you were saying, but I think the big difference is that the SAW and HOSTEL films have made what was a very niche corner of the horror genre the frontpiece of it all. Hence nowadays when people think "horror movie" they immediately think of one of those two films. Not JAWS or TEXAS CHAIN SAW or THE EXORCIST or ALIEN....but SAW and HOSTEL.
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 8, 2009 13:40:19 GMT -5
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jun 8, 2009 13:56:16 GMT -5
I just thought I'd mention that I gave in and purchased Anchor Bay's Argento box set just a few minutes ago.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 8, 2009 20:44:13 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 8, 2009 20:44:38 GMT -5
and a look forward to 7 & 8
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 8, 2009 21:28:45 GMT -5
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jun 8, 2009 22:03:35 GMT -5
I'd just like to add. Number 3 ~ Torture/Rape was vastly more "popular" in the '70's. In fact the few that are made today are homages and or actual remakes of them. Really? I guess that explains CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST's blockbuster box office. ;D Seriously, I see what you were saying, but I think the big difference is that the SAW and HOSTEL films have made what was a very niche corner of the horror genre the frontpiece of it all. Hence nowadays when people think "horror movie" they immediately think of one of those two films. Not JAWS or TEXAS CHAIN SAW or THE EXORCIST or ALIEN....but SAW and HOSTEL. Eh, Saw I'll give you, but I don't see or hear anybody talking about Hostel. They all seem to have opted to forget its existence. The Ring seems to be a "horror front-runner" these days, though.
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 9, 2009 3:39:30 GMT -5
Really? I guess that explains CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST's blockbuster box office. ;D Seriously, I see what you were saying, but I think the big difference is that the SAW and HOSTEL films have made what was a very niche corner of the horror genre the frontpiece of it all. Hence nowadays when people think "horror movie" they immediately think of one of those two films. Not JAWS or TEXAS CHAIN SAW or THE EXORCIST or ALIEN....but SAW and HOSTEL. Eh, Saw I'll give you, but I don't see or hear anybody talking about Hostel. They all seem to have opted to forget its existence. The Ring seems to be a "horror front-runner" these days, though. Yeah, that is true. It's kind of odd that way. I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a HOSTEL III yet.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jun 9, 2009 3:53:49 GMT -5
Eh, Saw I'll give you, but I don't see or hear anybody talking about Hostel. They all seem to have opted to forget its existence. The Ring seems to be a "horror front-runner" these days, though. Yeah, that is true. It's kind of odd that way. I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a HOSTEL III yet. Oh there will be but I bet Hostel III will be a Direct to DVD affair.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 9, 2009 22:17:27 GMT -5
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Post by Ken Ivory on Jun 10, 2009 2:09:17 GMT -5
A 4 hour Halloween cut. I find that hard to believe.....I guess we'll find out when the "uncut" DVD comes out if he's telling the truth.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 10, 2009 4:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 10, 2009 6:07:50 GMT -5
LOL DAMMNIT! I JUST BOUGHT A IMPORTED DVD COPY OF THIS! Sorry about the caps... I just find it funny that a movie I just bought not a month ago is now getting an american re-release. Now I'm happy to hear this news, however, if you recall the current american dvds misplace a scene near the end of the film. Hopefully this new version corrects this. I would have wished this was Zombi 2 or The Beyond, but still hi-def Fulci is never a bad thing. Plus the New York Ripper is a gore fans dream. And on the subject of a 4 hour Halloween...no thanks Rob.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Jun 10, 2009 17:55:16 GMT -5
A 4 hour Halloween cut. I find that hard to believe.....I guess we'll find out when the "uncut" DVD comes out if he's telling the truth. Well, to be fair, Zombie's first Halloween FELT like an eternity in the movie theater. In all seriousness, while his original movie was much longer than Carpenter's original film, I actually did get the sense that there was a LOT of stuff on the cutting room floor that didn't make it in (even in the director's cut version), and even though the film clocks in at just under two hours, it STILL feels a little rushed and stilted, even with that ridiculous coda. I think Zombie kind of falls into "Stephen King-syndrome" sometimes - he gets going and then just keeps going and going and going. It definitely doesn't happen with all of his work, but in some of King's longer books ( The Stand, while still awesome, and the latter Dark Tower books) one gets the idea that he loses all sense of perspective about halfway through - just like Zombie's Halloween.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 10, 2009 20:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 10, 2009 23:33:45 GMT -5
Ahhh....there we go. THERE'S that HOSTEL III I was fearing we'd get...all wrapped up in a bastardization of Hooper's FUNHOUSE. Eli, a note to you, sir: Not every f***ING film needs to be torture porn. Tying kids into SAW-like traps and torturing them might seem like it makes a "cool" or "good" horror film to you, but in reality, this is the very problem all of your movies (and the SAW films after part III) have: that's all they have. They're one trick ponies from a one trick director, and story-wise, they're as shallow as a shower. Your remake of FUNHOUSE is going to be no different.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jun 10, 2009 23:45:59 GMT -5
I expressed my opinion regarding Roth's Funhouse in the solo thread dedicated to it.
To summarize: meh, I really enjoy the original, but have no qualms with the concept of a remake. Let's see where it goes.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 11, 2009 0:07:02 GMT -5
Was watching the First Gremlins today. What does everybody think of the chances of a part 3 or maybe a remake are?
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Post by Rorschach on Jun 11, 2009 0:17:53 GMT -5
Was watching the First Gremlins today. What does everybody think of the chances of a part 3 or maybe a remake are? I've said many times that I would welcome a GREMLINS 3...provided that the right folks are involved.
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Post by Ken Ivory on Jun 11, 2009 3:14:14 GMT -5
At this stage everything is fodder for a remake. I called the Nightmare re-make years ago after Rob Zombie's Halloween was announced.
It's not a question of "if" anymore but "when". As I've said before I don't mind a remake/reboot if:
a) It's needed, ie. if the original series has lost the run of itself or has just become a mess or if the remake can add something new and exciting ot the original story.
b) It's in moderation- a remake here and there but lets not forget about originality too.
c) It's done at the right time- give it at least 20 years after the first movie to remake it. There's talk of a scream remake but it's only been since 1996- way too soon in my book!!!
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