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Post by Desi on Jun 30, 2009 18:16:39 GMT -5
I agree, but I feel bad for his kids because he tried his damnedest not to have their faces plastered everywhere and now that he's gone, that's exactly what's happened. Well, not justifying in any way them being plastered all over the front page, but a. their father was one of the most famous people on the planet and b. it's probably not the first time they've been exposed to the cameras. My sympathy goes out to them more if what we've heard is true and they asked to see the body at the hospital. My fiance still hasn't recovered from seeing her father after his passing. I know what you mean, I just fear for the kids because the storm surrounding his will and who gets custody of what is going to be a giant mess that they'll be right in the middle of. Not a good feeling for 3 little kids who just lost their dad.
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Post by rrm15 on Jun 30, 2009 18:18:52 GMT -5
So, what happens to the kids since they're not biologically Jacksons?
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Post by Desi on Jun 30, 2009 18:31:09 GMT -5
So, what happens to the kids since they're not biologically Jacksons? Would them being biologically his or not really matter to the courts? He's been those kids' father their whole lives and he probably adopted them. And well, I just hope they go to someone who is decent and stable, not something we hear about the families involved too often.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 18:46:59 GMT -5
The local news here (southern california) pulled out a birth certificate for blanket, michael's name and information is on the father side and the mother side is completely blank
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Post by KevFalcön07 on Jun 30, 2009 19:33:14 GMT -5
I heard that the first kid that accused Michael has admitted that nothing wrong ever happened between them. Is that true? Sorry if I'm late.
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Post by ani on Jun 30, 2009 20:16:24 GMT -5
I heard that the first kid that accused Michael has admitted that nothing wrong ever happened between them. Is that true? Sorry if I'm late. I think there was always questions about that first story. Wasn't the father taped saying he was "going to end Jackson's career"
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Post by KevFalcön07 on Jun 30, 2009 20:44:54 GMT -5
I heard that the first kid that accused Michael has admitted that nothing wrong ever happened between them. Is that true? Sorry if I'm late. I think there was always questions about that first story. Wasn't the father taped saying he was "going to end Jackson's career" Really? What an asshole. But no, I don't mean that far back. I mean, since Michael's death, the boy (now man) who accused Michael just recently admitted himself that it was all fake and that has dad put him up to it. That's what I heard.
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Post by threev on Jun 30, 2009 22:12:18 GMT -5
The woman who has always been alleged to have been the surrogate mother was not actually the surrogate, either. It was anticipated, I think, that the kids would go to her. Now that, that revelation has come about, I suppose it would depend on the courts view of the actual surrogate mother and her desires. Though, I think the kids have said they'd prefer to live with their grandmother, and so, because this is such a complicated mess, I can see that making the most sense, regardless of what "typical" legal formula would suggest, since this is clearly not a typical situation.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jun 30, 2009 22:45:40 GMT -5
So, what happens to the kids since they're not biologically Jacksons? Here's where being a former California resident comes in handy. According to California law, it doesn't matter if the children are surrogates or not. Jackson's name is on the certificate, Rowe's name is on, by law, they are the parents, doesn't matter the means of conception. Laws like this were passed to protect in-vitro kids and surrogate parents. Actually the legal story for me now is didn't Joe and Kathleen Jackson just come out of a Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2007? If Michael's will holds up, yes, Kathleen gets the kids, but all assets go into a trust. Say what you will about Michael, the man knew his business and how to protect it, even if he did spend money like water.
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Post by The Charismatic Enabeler on Jul 1, 2009 1:05:13 GMT -5
This may be an uncool opinion but I just don't care anymore. He was a weirdo, probably a child molester and since he hasn't been at all relevant since 1986 I'm just over it. Maybe now the kids won't grow up with stupid names like blanket and can go outside without looking like they're dressing up for Mardi Gras.
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Post by Chad1m on Jul 1, 2009 2:30:05 GMT -5
I just don't care anymore. Then stay out? he hasn't been at all relevant since 1986 Well, since Bad was released in 1987 and has went platinum in multiple countries and the 2008 Thriller re-release is certified gold in 11 countries, you're wrong there, pal. Maybe now the kids won't grow up with stupid names like blanket Erm, that was a nickname, referring to the fact that he, like the other children, needed to be blanketed and protected. and can go outside without looking like they're dressing up for Mardi Gras. Which goes hand-in-hand with the first part, not to mention that was a decision made by Rowe. I'm sure any soon public appearances by them will cause them to have some of their identity shrouded (even though it's really already been compromised by the media.) I mean, come on, if you're going to crap on something (which you shouldn't need to on a message board where you can choose to not enter threads that don't interest you), at least get your facts straight.
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Post by Viva on Jul 1, 2009 4:35:10 GMT -5
You're right. He was Michael Jackson. I don't mean to be disrespectful toward you or anyone else, but please understand my views; growing up as a young child in the 1980's (I was born in early 1980), there were three celebrities: Hulk Hogan, Mr. T, and Michael Jackson. As an impressionable kid, these three could do no wrong, and nobody else outside my family mattered. I actually cried - CRIED! - when Mr. T lost to Sylvester Stallone in Rocky III, even though Clubber Lang was the heel character. I cried when Hulk Hogan lost the WWF title to Andre the Giant, and - even though I was somewhat "smartened up" to the business at a young age - I cried again when Earthquake "crushed Hogan's ribs." Michael Jackson's death is a HUGE deal to people my age (and slightly older) simply because he was our Elvis. Elvis was the King of Rock-n-Roll; Michael was the King of Pop. Elvis was famous for his distinct voice and hip-swinging dance moves; Michael's voice and dance style were innovative and unique for him, too. Elvis generated a lot of controversy for "over-sexualizing" things on stage; MJ grabbed his crotch a lot, and people thought that was overly-sexual, too. Just as our parents (or in some cases, grandparents) were hit hard by Elvis's death (and, to a lesser extent, John Lennon's as well), people aged 25-45 have been hit hard by MJ's death in a way that some people might never understand. I'm not ashamed to admit that I've shed a few tears over the past few days, nor am I ashamed to admit that I will bawl like an infant when Hulk Hogan and Mr. T pass away. To some, it's silly, and I can totally understand that, but those are the icons of my childhood - and looking back, Hogan, T, and MJ were at times the only things I cared about back then - and nobody ever likes to let those things go. Again, I mean no disrespect to you or your opinion; I agree the media coverage has been insane, but I also know that, had the media been as all-encompassing and obsessive back in Elvis's day, the same thing would happen. It's inevitable. On every single level imaginable. If you don't get it, then kindly see the door. The man was a legend in the eyes of so many, if you can't recognize that, then just stop. Let the fans grieve. Honestly, I was devastated and still am. I watched "Living with Michael Jackson" recently, and the innocence he radiated throughout the interview while talking to Martin, as well as going over the abuse he suffered at the hands of Joe Jackson honestly brought me to near tears. He was misunderstood. Most great artists are, but it hurts when someone who touches so many, and who is THAT good, leaves us. Gone but never forgotten, honestly. I hope his death ushers in a new era of fandom for him in death. He's the most prolific entertainer of MY time, that's for sure. Rest in peace.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jul 1, 2009 5:56:46 GMT -5
This may be an uncool opinion but I just don't care anymore. He was a weirdo, probably a child molester and since he hasn't been at all relevant since 1986 I'm just over it. Maybe now the kids won't grow up with stupid names like blanket and can go outside without looking like they're dressing up for Mardi Gras. Dude, this crap is getting old.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 1, 2009 6:33:45 GMT -5
Here's some history making news. I knew album sales would go up, but this even surprises me: As expected, Michael Jackson is once again the King of the Pop charts. Based on preliminary sales numbers from Nielsen SoundScan, the top nine positions on Billboard's Top Pop Catalog Albums chart will house Jackson-related titles when the tally is released in the early morning on Wednesday. Nielsen SoundScan's sales tracking week ended at the close of business Sunday (June 28) night. Jackson himself -- who died June 25 of cardiac arrest at age 50 -- has a record eight out of the top 10, and a Jackson 5 compilation also finds its way into the upper tier. "Number Ones" will fittingly lead the pack at No. 1 with sales of 108,000 (an increase of 2,340 percent) while "The Essential Michael Jackson" and "Thriller" are in the second and third slots with 102,000 and 101,000, respectively. Last week "Number Ones" was the only Jackson title on the chart, at No. 20 with 4,000 copies; both "Essential" and "Thriller" re-enter the tally this week. Additionally, his classic 1979 studio set "Off the Wall" re-enters at No. 4 with 33,000 while his 1987 album "Bad" returns at No. 6 with 17,000. At No. 5, the Jackson 5's "The Ultimate Collection" debuts with 18,000. Jackson's fourth studio album for Epic Records, 1991's "Dangerous," re-enters at No. 7 with 14,000, and his 2001 compilation, "Greatest Hits: HIStory -- Volume 1," returns to the list at No. 8 with 12,000. Finally, Jackson's 2004 box set, "The Ultimate Collection," charts its first week on the Pop Catalog chart, arriving at No. 9 with 11,000. The lone non-Jackson-related set in the top 10 is a reissue of the "Woodstock" movie soundtrack, which bows at No. 10 with 8,000. Collectively, Jackson's solo albums sold 415,000 this past week. That's extraordinary, given that his titles sold a combined 10,000 in the week ended June 21. Of the 415,000, 58 percent were digital downloads. The 415,000 albums sold last week represent nearly 40 percent more than sales of Jackson's catalog during the entire year up through June 21 (297,000). On the Top Digital Albums chart, Jackson has a record six out of the top 10 slots, including the top four. "The Essential Michael Jackson" leads the Top Digital Albums list with 80,000 downloads sold, while "Thriller" is No. 2 with 57,000. There's even more here. news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090701/media_nm/us_jackson_chartWOW.
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Post by 4real on Jul 1, 2009 10:11:56 GMT -5
Mid week reports claim Man In The Mirror will be the U.K Number 1 this Sunday. I hope this is true.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 1, 2009 10:19:34 GMT -5
Agree with all of the above. Man in the Mirror is, IMHO, the best song Jackson ever did, bar none. And I know there are Thriller fans out there, but I really do think Bad is a tremendously underrated album. Only reason I can think of that people are not so hot on it was it was right after Thriller, which was so huge. I've had Bad on my car stereo the last day or so before listening to Blood on the Dance Floor for the first time and it still holds up. Speaking of Blood, only gotten through two songs so far, Blood and Morphine, and it's an interesting album. Blood on the Dance Floor is actually a pretty good song, a second cousin to Smooth Criminal. Morphine is just plain freaky, especially with all the recent news of drugs Jackson was on. My way of saying the man is just unreal as a performer. I think I read online last night that radio play of his songs was up (not exaggerating here) 1765 percent. Now THAT'S a Thriller.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Jul 1, 2009 10:35:07 GMT -5
This may be an uncool opinion but I just don't care anymore. He was a weirdo, probably a child molester and since he hasn't been at all relevant since 1986 I'm just over it. Maybe now the kids won't grow up with stupid names like blanket and can go outside without looking like they're dressing up for Mardi Gras. Dude, this crap is getting old. I don't completely agree with that but I will say his kids are the only ones I feel bad for here. I think Jackson was very misunderstood and I liked many of his songs. When I was a little kid he was one of my favorite singers and his mid 80s stint is still way up there. But here is the thing. Fans always try to defend him. Now I don't know if he raped kids. Honestly I doubt it. It is possible but I just don't get that vibe from him. But why defend him and say he never had a fair shake? The guy became a millionaire and did nothing but go downhill. He had the power to get his life in order and deal with the things that his dad did to him but he didn't and that is why he is dead now. He was addicted to pain killers and couldn't get it under control. Watching interviews of him you can easily see he was in denial of the plastic surgeries and everything which is why he couldn't deal with it. He should have become a man and got his life under control. There is no excuses once you have control of your own life.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 1, 2009 10:55:12 GMT -5
I was afraid of this.
After a week, we're finally seeing more nay-sayers than fans. Now, I respect the rights they have to say what they want just as much as I hope they would respect mine, but honestly, I gotta ask: if you don't like the guy, if you don't think he's relevant, if you think he was a bad parent or if you think any number of things about the allegations, why on EARTH are you even spending the time to post here? All it's really doing is upsetting people who have used this thread to remember good times, good memories and discuss the events around MJ's passing.
This has been the one thread on the entire 'net I've seen that has been kept relatively free of discontent and I really hope it stays that way.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 1, 2009 10:56:25 GMT -5
Well, noone is perfect, that's all I can really say, let's just pay tribute and leave it at that,. We didn't make two threads for Michael like we did for Benoit. So that is that.
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Post by KevFalcön07 on Jul 1, 2009 11:17:51 GMT -5
Well, noone is perfect, that's all I can really say, let's just pay tribute and leave it at that,. We didn't make two threads for Michael like we did for Benoit. So that is that. I was just thinking that too.
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