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Post by odysseus on Jul 8, 2009 20:31:26 GMT -5
Ya know, as much of a fan I used to be prior to 1993, I just don't get the outpour. He paid off a family in 1994 to let child molestation charges disappear. And he was alleged to have molested another in 2005. Is this what it's going to be like when OJ Simpson dies? I bet 99% of the people in that building wouldn't Michael 50 feet near their children.
I admit I watched the funeral yesterday. Most of it seemed pretty fake. Michael spent the last 20 years hiding from the public. So he is given a public funeral? Laughable.
Al Sharpton is quite a snake. Michael Jackson made pop music. Al Sharpton completely racialized Michael Jackson's accomplishments. If it wasn't for Michael Jackson, there is no Tiger Woods, Oprah, or Barrack Obama. Gimme a break. This is WWE revisionist history at its finest. Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. And I reiterate, the man did popular music, not gangster rap.
I do empathize with his children. That must be very difficult to lose a father at such a young age.
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Post by MCMGM on Jul 8, 2009 20:44:21 GMT -5
Ya know, as much of a fan I used to be prior to 1993, I just don't get the outpour. He paid off a family in 1994 to let child molestation charges disappear. And he was alleged to have molested another in 2005. Is this what it's going to be like when OJ Simpson dies? I bet 99% of the people in that building wouldn't Michael 50 feet near their children. I admit I watched the funeral yesterday. Most of it seemed pretty fake. Michael spent the last 20 years hiding from the public. So he is given a public funeral? Laughable. Al Sharpton is quite a snake. Michael Jackson made pop music. Al Sharpton completely racialized Michael Jackson's accomplishments. If it wasn't for Michael Jackson, there is no Tiger Woods, Oprah, or Barrack Obama. Gimme a break. This is WWE revisionist history at its finest. Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. And I reiterate, the man did popular music, not gangster rap. Thanks for ruining the pleasant atmosphere, buddy.
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Post by Paco on Jul 8, 2009 20:52:33 GMT -5
I watched it too...What exactly was so "fake" about it? And I reiterate, the man did popular music, not gangster rap. What do you mean by that? Rappers are the only black musicians to "break barriers"? Pop is not art compared to Rap? I'm probably gonna regret asking these questions and shoulda just let the post die. Ah well...
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 8, 2009 20:53:06 GMT -5
Ya know, as much of a fan I used to be prior to 1993, I just don't get the outpour. He paid off a family in 1994 to let child molestation charges disappear. And he was alleged to have molested another in 2005. Is this what it's going to be like when OJ Simpson dies? I bet 99% of the people in that building wouldn't Michael 50 feet near their children. I admit I watched the funeral yesterday. Most of it seemed pretty fake. Michael spent the last 20 years hiding from the public. So he is given a public funeral? Laughable. Al Sharpton is quite a snake. Michael Jackson made pop music. Al Sharpton completely racialized Michael Jackson's accomplishments. If it wasn't for Michael Jackson, there is no Tiger Woods, Oprah, or Barrack Obama. Gimme a break. This is WWE revisionist history at its finest. Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. And I reiterate, the man did popular music, not gangster rap. I do empathize with his children. That must be very difficult to lose a father at such a young age. First of all, if I remember correctly, the children that supposedly touched by Jackson don't seem to remember anything of that sort happening. Where as the parents are the ones claiming Molestation. Also, I believe Jackson was Acquitted on all 10 charges. You seem to forgot that fact. And did you really just compare Michael Jackson to OJ Simpson? I'm sure when OJ dies not nearly as many people are going to be all up in arms as with Michael. OJ will more then likely be remembered for the murder charges and not his football career, whereas Michael will be remembered for his music and the impact he had on pop culture, not supposedly touching some kids. And did you really expect Michael freakin' Jackson's death not to be a public affair? He spent most of his life hiding from the public because of all the lies and slander written about him in the press. To him, out in the normal world was full of people that wanted to do nothing but sell their magazines, get people to watch their TV shows, and read their websites and they don't care what they have to report in order to get people to do that. Whereas the memorial was meant to celebrate the life and accomplishments of Michael. And That was not even a funeral, he wasn't buried in the Staples Center. All of his fans needed to say one last goodbye to one of their Idols. The actual funeral, I'm sure will be completely private with just family and friends. I do agree that Sharpton made some crazy statements during his speech, but what he was trying to get across was that Michael was one of the most influential public figures of the last 20 years, and I think he did a great job.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 8, 2009 21:19:05 GMT -5
I got flamed to death on another board for sticking up for and giving condolences for Michael Jackson. I'm not talking about simple insults, I'm talking about stuff that goes way beyond personal. I think I'm finished with that board.
I thought the dedication ceremony was amazing. When his daughter talked I lost it. It pains me that more people did not see Michael for what he really was.......human.
Rest in Peace.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 8, 2009 21:26:40 GMT -5
I got flamed to death on another board for sticking up for and giving condolences for Michael Jackson. I'm not talking about simple insults, I'm talking about stuff that goes way beyond personal. I think I'm finished with that board. I thought the dedication ceremony was amazing. When his daughter talked I lost it. It pains me that more people did not see Michael for what he really was.......human. Rest in Peace. Human, father, brother, son, we really saw, maybe a society, that for the first time. MJ had been in the spotlight for so long with so much whispered and said, I think we all forgot about Michael Jackson the man, who drew breath, cried, smiled, laughed and had a life just like all of us. He just happened to have a talent that very few in the world would ever dream of possessing. I'm very sorry you had a hard time on another board. I could sort of tell how some places were trending on the day he died and I decided to, more or less, hang my hat here and I haven't regretted it for a single day. Trust me, I think I would have been told to shut up ages ago anyplace else. Regardless, this is a place where we remember and think on MJ the entertainer and hopefully the human being, not the image created by media, rumor and accusation. Hopefully no mod objects to me saying that, just the general vibe I get from the board.
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Post by biafra on Jul 8, 2009 21:28:11 GMT -5
Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. Not true. Before Michael Jackson came along MTV wouldn't even show videos with black people in them; and that's a well known fact.
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Post by Insomniac on Jul 8, 2009 21:28:15 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Michael Jackson, there is no Tiger Woods, Oprah, or Barrack Obama. Gimme a break. This is WWE revisionist history at its finest. Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. I saw a little of Magic Johnson speaking at the memorial. He kinda threw me off when he said, had it not been for Michael Jackson, him and Kobe wouldn't have been the big stars that they were. As if he paved the way for them as black athletes. I don't agree with this because there were numerous high-profile black athletes before Jackson was big: Jim Brown, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Arthur Ashe, Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, and the one who paved the way for all of them, Jackie Robinson. I'm sure the majority of the praise that was said about him yesterday was true and deserved, though.
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Post by odysseus on Jul 8, 2009 21:44:25 GMT -5
I watched it too...What exactly was so "fake" about it? Well, it seemed more like a hollywood schmooze fest, as opposed to a funeral. It became quite clear that there were some people (ie: Kobe Bryant) who never knew the man. Why was he up there speaking. And Michael Jackson made Magic Johnson a better basketball player? That's a little much. At least Magic Johnson had a somewhat cordial relationship with Jackson. quote author=odysseus board=offtopic thread=212516 post=4840286 time=1247103086] And I reiterate, the man did popular music, not gangster rap. What do you mean by that? Rappers are the only black musicians to "break barriers"? Pop is not art compared to Rap?[/quote] Not at all. I'm just saying that Michael Jackson's singles musical career sang was in the '80's. He sang popular music. The racial barriers of of pop were essentially gone by the 1980's. Tina Turner, Jimmi Hendrix, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, the Supremes and many more, had broken down many of those racial barriers before Michael Jackson. I used the gangster rap analogy because the 80's were a time where it was essentially underground, and not being played on the radio. That's all. First of all, if I remember correctly, the children that supposedly touched by Jackson don't seem to remember anything of that sort happening. Where as the parents are the ones claiming Molestation. Also, I believe Jackson was Acquitted on all 10 charges. You seem to forgot that fact. So did OJ. Also, in 1993, the trial got thrown out as Michael agreed to pay the family I think around 20 million in 1994. Paying that much money to avoid court? Doesn't exactly seem like a man that's innocent. 2005 is obviously different. At least with OJ, he didn't go on tv and say that it's OK to kill people. Unlike Michael, who said in many interviews that he saw no problems with sleeping with children. And did you really just compare Michael Jackson to OJ Simpson? I'm sure when OJ dies not nearly as many people are going to be all up in arms as with Michael. OJ will more then likely be remembered for the murder charges and not his football career, whereas Michael will be remembered for his music and the impact he had on pop culture, not supposedly touching some kids. Why would it be different? OJ Simpson was found not guilty. He was an incredible running back. And did you really expect Michael freakin' Jack son's death not to be a public affair? He spent most of his life hiding from the public because of all the lies and slander written about him in the press. To him, out in the normal world was full of people that wanted to do nothing but sell their magazines, get people to watch their TV shows, and read their websites and they don't care what they have to report in order to get people to do that. Whereas the memorial was meant to celebrate the life and accomplishments of Michael. And That was not even a funeral, he wasn't buried in the Staples Center. All of his fans needed to say one last goodbye to one of their Idols. The actual funeral, I'm sure will be completely private with just family and friends. Usually, a memorial is when there isn't a body precent. Jackson's body was there, which indicates a funeral. Or has the rules and definitions changed? I do agree that Sharpton made some crazy statements during his speech, but what he was trying to get across was that Michael was one of the most influential public figures of the last 20 years, and I think he did a great job. I get his point. I'm just sick of this man racializing everything to fit his political agenda. It's disgusting. Anyway, sorry to all for being a buzz kill. There's only one Jackson thread, and it should stay that way. . . Back in the day, I was a fan of his 1990 videogame "Moonwalker." So, snaps to that? www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF89npFbn8g
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 8, 2009 21:59:31 GMT -5
So did OJ. Also, in 1993, the trial got thrown out as Michael agreed to pay the family I think around 20 million in 1994. Paying that much money to avoid court? Doesn't exactly seem like a man that's innocent. 2005 is obviously different. At least with OJ, he didn't go on tv and say that it's OK to kill people. Unlike Michael, who said in many interviews that he saw no problems with sleeping with children. You have to keep in mind how much money this man had, better to pay this fee than go through the trouble of a trial and all the bad publicity because of it. Also, he never said he slept with kids. He said he would let kids sleep in his bed while he slept on the floor. Indeed he was, but there have been many other incredible running backs, but there's only one Michael Jackson. It doesn't really matter. I just don't see why you would have a problem with Michael Jackson having a public funeral/memorial/whatever the hell you want to call it. I wouldn't say it's disgusting, but it can get old.
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Post by Throwback on Jul 8, 2009 22:05:32 GMT -5
I'll leave it at this. I have kids. If I ever found out somebody molested either of them there's NO WAY I would settle out of court no matter how much money was put in my face. I'd want a trial so he/she would rot in jail and take him/her off the streets so he/she couldn't hurt anyone else.
Anybody who want's to debate that can't feel free to pm me.
But to the memorial. I thought it was a very touching service. When Paris talked was easily the hardest part to watch. and they ended it with my favorite MJ song.
I also really liked Marlon's story about Michael being in disguise at a cd store.
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Post by shiranui on Jul 8, 2009 22:21:55 GMT -5
I'm watching an MJ concert from 1997 (part of the HIStory World Tour), recorded in Munich, Germany. This is definitely awesome to watch, but I'm kind of disappointed about the fact that Michael lip-syncs through most of the songs (so far I've only heard live vocals on Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and the Jackson 5 medley/I'll Be There).
Of course, this probably helped a lot to make the choreography smoother and more elaborate, and the whole thing is absolutely brilliant to watch, but I'd kinda like to hear Michael sing a bit more. Ah well, I'll just sit back and enjoy the show (or try to sharpen up my moonwalk). ;D
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 8, 2009 22:29:59 GMT -5
I'm watching an MJ concert from 1997 (part of the HIStory World Tour), recorded in Munich, Germany. This is definitely awesome to watch, but I'm kind of disappointed about the fact that Michael lip-syncs through most of the songs (so far I've only heard live vocals on Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and the Jackson 5 medley/I'll Be There). Of course, this probably helped a lot to make the choreography smoother and more elaborate, and the whole thing is absolutely brilliant to watch, but I'd kinda like to hear Michael sing a bit more. Ah well, I'll just sit back and enjoy the show (or try to sharpen up my moonwalk). ;D It really depends what shows you watch. I just watched the Bucharest show from the Dangerous Tour and he sang most of the songs live with just a backing track used.
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Post by Cela on Jul 9, 2009 1:01:33 GMT -5
Ok, not wanting to be that guy. But how much longer do you think the various channels will devote 24/7 coverage to him?
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jul 9, 2009 1:04:19 GMT -5
What channels have you been watching?
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Post by Cela on Jul 9, 2009 1:06:46 GMT -5
The News Networks. CNN HNN FOX. Its surpassed Anna Nicole Smith Levels and shows no signs of slowing.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jul 9, 2009 1:15:14 GMT -5
Well to be fair. He was Michael Jackson.
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Post by Paco on Jul 9, 2009 2:16:49 GMT -5
Ok, not wanting to be that guy. But how much longer do you think the various channels will devote 24/7 coverage to him? Today was the first day I thought it's calmed down since his death. Just small coverage of yesterday's memorial. Although, I don't think it will be gone altogether until what exactly happened to Jackson is revealed.
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Jul 9, 2009 3:05:41 GMT -5
I personally hope that Michael stays in the entertainment news for a long while.
Why?
Because I'd rather hear about him than Jon & Kate, etc.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jul 9, 2009 6:56:31 GMT -5
Just read on TMZ that Michael will be buried with one glove, which I think is touching and appropriate
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