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Post by HoganBai on Jul 9, 2009 9:25:59 GMT -5
I agree with one of the previous posters. If I had kids and somebody molested them or was accused of it, there is NO WAY I would sell out my child for $20 million, the scarring that would happen to them knowing that the guy who did it is still out there, and letting such a screwed up kid have that much money? No way, I'd want that motherf***er to ROT in jail. That is the main reason I am leaning toward the he's innocent group. Also, second time, he was found not guilty, so THAT case should be closed.
While I do think it is very, very strange for an adult male to sleep with young boys, very strange (I wouldn't have it), I do believe it was platonic and that MJ was just a big gentle, caring boy-man who really didn't know he was doing anything wrong, and with the trials he just shut-down on the inside, became a recluse and that developed his stranger behaviour. It is a tragedy, he was very talented, the greatest ever, and I do believe everybody had it out for him from the start, but I just think he was misunderstood. And that's a terrible shame.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jul 9, 2009 12:15:29 GMT -5
I agree with one of the previous posters. If I had kids and somebody molested them or was accused of it, there is NO WAY I would sell out my child for $20 million, the scarring that would happen to them knowing that the guy who did it is still out there, and letting such a screwed up kid have that much money? No way, I'd want that motherf***er to ROT in jail. That is the main reason I am leaning toward the he's innocent group. Also, second time, he was found not guilty, so THAT case should be closed. While I do think it is very, very strange for an adult male to sleep with young boys, very strange (I wouldn't have it), I do believe it was platonic and that MJ was just a big gentle, caring boy-man who really didn't know he was doing anything wrong, and with the trials he just shut-down on the inside, became a recluse and that developed his stranger behaviour. It is a tragedy, he was very talented, the greatest ever, and I do believe everybody had it out for him from the start, but I just think he was misunderstood. And that's a terrible shame. Also, if you watch the Martin Bashir documentary when the topic of him sharing his bed comes up, the way he talks about it shows to me that: a) he had definitely regresssed to a 10 year old in several areas. b)he didnt do anything sinister with the kids, he wouldnt have been capable. c) he didn't even see how what he was doing could be misconstrued. Probably because he had regressed so saw it as just friends sharing a bed in a sleepover. Add in that the description of his body by the children differed completely to what the police found in their examination and I thik its a safe bet he was guilty of nothing more than sharing his bed innocently with the kids and not seeing how that could be misinterpreted.
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Post by sloride on Jul 9, 2009 13:43:30 GMT -5
I just find it a bit uncomfortable now how Michael spent the whole of his kids lives keeping them out of the spotlight and as soon as he is gone Paris has now become one of the most recognisable 11 year olds in the world. One paper here dubbed here 'the most famous girl in the world'.
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Post by ani on Jul 9, 2009 14:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by odysseus on Jul 9, 2009 14:41:47 GMT -5
Those racial barriers were all but destroyed when Michael Jackson came on the scene. Not true. Before Michael Jackson came along MTV wouldn't even show videos with black people in them; and that's a well known fact. Not true. That's what it has become. Kind of like Buckner's blunder cost the Red Sox the World Series. Yet, people seem to neglect that there was a game 7. I refer you to Wikipedia: During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. Those who were in MTV's rotation included Eddy Grant, Tina Turner and Donna Summer. . . . Before 1983, Michael Jackson also struggled to receive airtime on MTV.[17] To resolve the struggle and finally "break the color barrier", the president of CBS Records at the time, Walter Yetnikoff, denounced MTV in a strong, profane statement, threatening to take away MTV's ability to play any of the record label's music videos. According to The Austin Chronicle, Jackson's video for the song "Billie Jean" was "the video that broke the color barrier, even though the channel itself was responsible for erecting that barrier in the first place."[20] After airing Jackson's music videos, MTV, then a struggling cable channel, became very popular. Jackson's videos were credited for this success See the difference? Jackson was not the first. He was the first to get regular rotation. And I reiterate, there was no color barrier. It was broken. It was MTV who had the problem. I refer you back to the Midnight Special (which you can now buy on informercials) that aired on NBC from 72 until 81. Black people were regularly on the show as singers and comedians. Off the top of my head, Ray Charles, Richard Prior, James Brown, Tina Turner, Bo Diddley, The three degrees, BB King, and Diana Ross all made appearances. I'll leave it at this. I have kids. If I ever found out somebody molested either of them there's NO WAY I would settle out of court no matter how much money was put in my face. I'd want a trial so he/she would rot in jail and take him/her off the streets so he/she couldn't hurt anyone else. But to the memorial. I thought it was a very touching service. I agree with you. I would want the sick f*** to go to jail. However, we are normal people who have a conscience. I'd be willing to bet that if you knew someone who was going through what Jackson did, and he settled out of court to avoid going to court, you wouldn't let your children alone with this person, let alone stay over night. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there who are neither normal or have a conscience when it comes to money. The first who settled were neither. I think this is a case where you either see the glass half full, or half empty. You see it as Jackson is innocent because the family took the 20+ million. I view him (as did the media and many many civilians, many who were hypocrites and mourned his death) as someone who paid the family off so his career wouldn't be ruined in court. I view it as, if he was innocent, he could go to court and show his innocence. I bet it would have cost less, and it would have proven to everyone that he was innocent. And don't bother with the "$20+ million was chump change for him." It clearly was not as that was about the time his financial troubles began. Just read on TMZ that Michael will be buried with one glove, which I think is touching and appropriate That's kind of silly. Perhaps they should dress him up in the red outfit he wore in thriller then? That way, if there's a zombie apocalypse, it'd be life imitating art. ;D I do believe everybody had it out for him from the start, but I just think he was misunderstood. And that's a terrible shame. Oh yes, the world against Michael Jackson conspiracy. When did the world have it out against him? The man was a legend in a time when we actually liked our legends. He was an icon from the time he was just a little kid. He was an icon in the 80's. You can't even blame it on his skin disease. He was already white looking in the 80's. But then 1993 happened. Imagine that, the media slowly distancing itself from a man who paid his way out of court after child molestation charges. He just got weirder after that on his own doing. Also, if you watch the Martin Bashir documentary when the topic of him sharing his bed comes up, the way he talks about it shows to me that: b)he didnt do anything sinister with the kids, he wouldnt have been capable. c) he didn't even see how what he was doing could be misconstrued. Probably because he had regressed so saw it as just friends sharing a bed in a sleepover. Add in that the description of his body by the children differed completely to what the police found in their examination and I thik its a safe bet he was guilty of nothing more than sharing his bed innocently with the kids and not seeing how that could be misinterpreted. B) He wouldn't have been capable? That's what they say about serial killers who look like Napoleon Dynamite's brother. Especially because he seems like he's from another universe, is cause for concern. I'd love to say more on this, but we don't need to go there about Jackson's upbringing and what probably happened. C) Don't let what the children inaccurately say deceit you. It's a traumatic experience for them, and there have been MANY cases where it becomes a case of the child's imagination runs wild. That's usually why courts don't like when children take the stands. As for the Jackson part of C, I personally believed that he was physically and sexually abuse (which, I THINK was confirmed by Jermaine?), and thus had multiple personalities as a result, which is why he couldn't differentiate right from wrong. EDIT: I've noticed that nobody (though I could be mistaken) seems to have mentioned his Jackson 5 work. I don't know if it's because of unfamiliarity, or what. But, if you are unfamiliar with his Jackson 5 stuff, you most definitely should check it out. They had so many great songs that tend to get overshadowed by his adult career.
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Post by B.B.M on Jul 9, 2009 14:56:04 GMT -5
I just find it a bit uncomfortable now how Michael spent the whole of his kids lives keeping them out of the spotlight and as soon as he is gone Paris has now become one of the most recognisable 11 year olds in the world. One paper here dubbed here 'the most famous girl in the world'. Why can I see the f***ing media not leaving her alone? Also, a note to UK Crappers, If you missed the memorial show, it's being repeated all week from the BBC Iplayer.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 9, 2009 16:01:41 GMT -5
I just find it a bit uncomfortable now how Michael spent the whole of his kids lives keeping them out of the spotlight and as soon as he is gone Paris has now become one of the most recognisable 11 year olds in the world. One paper here dubbed here 'the most famous girl in the world'. Why can I see the f***ing media not leaving her alone? Because it's what happened to her father. You know, Michael was amazing as an entertainer, he wrote songs we all try to sing and dances we try (and, like Brooke Shields, often fail miserably at), but I think he did one thing far better than anyone has ever given him credit for. I think he's been an excellent father. Look at his kids. They seem incredibly well adjusted and shockingly normal. And let's face it, any job in the world doesn't matter if you screw up being a parent. MJ nailed it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 21:38:55 GMT -5
I just find it a bit uncomfortable now how Michael spent the whole of his kids lives keeping them out of the spotlight and as soon as he is gone Paris has now become one of the most recognisable 11 year olds in the world. One paper here dubbed here 'the most famous girl in the world'. Why can I see the f***ing media not leaving her alone? Brother, we've to beat this thing well into the ground before they cast her aside. Either that, or something bigger than MJ's passing has to come about. The media does fear mongering, they do sensationalism, they do celebrity obsession, they don't do respect or dignity. To me, throwing this poor girl's sadness in everyone's face is bullcrap. They don't care. It's a powerful image associated with a hot topic that gets them viewers, nothing more. If what I say upsets anyone, I accept that. Just understand that I mean no disrespect to anyone affected. Death hurts. What's more, you can't argue with it. I'll be glad in a month or so when this situation is put to bed.
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Post by Silent Brad on Jul 9, 2009 22:06:41 GMT -5
As long as she doesn't go out clubbing or turn into one of those girls, I think she'll be fine.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 10, 2009 13:48:35 GMT -5
See the mods un-stickied this thread, so guess it really is time to start wrapping this up before we vanish into WrestleCrap history.
I gotta say, everyone has been very classy over the last two weeks and I'm grateful. Dunno how many other places were quite so positive on Jackson. Also want to say thanks to everyone for sharing the memories and thoughts about Jackson and his talents.
Finally, just want to encourage everyone that while we're starting to move on doesn't mean we have to forget. I for one will probably always have something by MJ on my iPod or a CD ready to roll in my car. However you choose to remember, just make sure you do.
So... unless there's another great post for me to reply to, I say for one final time:
R.I.P. Michael Jackson. We love you and hope we'll see you again someday.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Jul 10, 2009 13:49:34 GMT -5
For one last time, I will say R.I.P. Michael Jackson. You will be missed.
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Post by Convoy on Jul 10, 2009 13:56:40 GMT -5
I guess it's time the thread begins to fade away.
I just wanted to say Rest in Peace MJ - one final time. You were simply the best.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 10, 2009 17:04:33 GMT -5
I will do what everyone else is doing. For the final time, R.I.P. Michael Jackson....
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 10, 2009 17:13:12 GMT -5
Me too. R.I.P, Mike.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 10, 2009 17:26:13 GMT -5
R.I.P. Michael.
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Post by Tarik Dee on Jul 10, 2009 17:36:05 GMT -5
For First and Last Time R. I. P. Michael Jackson.
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Post by TuneinTokyo on Jul 10, 2009 20:59:03 GMT -5
RIP MJ
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jul 10, 2009 21:00:45 GMT -5
Goodbye Michael.
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Post by Franchise on Jul 10, 2009 21:02:57 GMT -5
Rest in peace Michael. I'll see you on the other side.
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Post by aka Cthulhu on Jul 10, 2009 21:03:46 GMT -5
R.I.P, MJ.
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