H-Blockx
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Post by H-Blockx on Dec 25, 2008 13:56:53 GMT -5
Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
No idea if those numbers are legit or not. Pretty terrible number for BFG if you ask me.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 25, 2008 14:10:40 GMT -5
There will be the people who say TNA is privately owned so these might not be true. But I don't doubt it. As much as I like TNA, Jarrett, Russo and Mantel aren't capable of creating long term meaningful admiration for the company.
Russo is the joke which has held this promotion down since 2006, and Jarrett needs to get with the times. Imagine if they had signed Angle and went "realistic" and serious. With some comedy. Imagine how easily they would make more money being compelling instead of comedic.
They've changed course after Foley came in, but they still cling to the gimmick matches, to Palin stuff, and just can't let go of the stupidity. It's upsetting, because there's such a vacuum for Pro Wrestling fans who don't like the WWE, and TNA is the only alternative on TV.
If I had my wish, Lance Storm and Gabe Sapolsky would be hired tomorrow and Vince Russo shown the door. And Angle given equal power to Jarrett. But in all honesty I don't see it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2008 16:56:08 GMT -5
2007 Figures: 35,000 for (2006) Turning Point (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 34,000 for Final Resolution (Abyss vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage) 23,000 for Against All Odds (Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle) 36,000 for Destination X (Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle) 35,000 for Lockdown (Team Angle vs. Team Cage) 21,000 for Sacrifice (Kurt Angle vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage) 22,000 for Slammiversary (King of the Mountain Match) 15,000 for Victory Road (Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle vs. Team 3D) 26,000 for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 17,000 for No Surrender (Kurt Angle vs. Abyss) 36,000 for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Kurt Angle) 27,000 for Genesis (Sting and Booker T vs. Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash)
Average Buyrate: 27,250
2008 Figures: 20,000 for Final Resolution (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage I) 30,000 for Against All Odds (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage II) 20,000 for Destination X (Samoa Joe, Kevin Nash and Christian Cage vs. Angle Alliance) 55,000 for Lockdown (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 25,000 for Sacrifice (Samoa Joe vs. Scott Steiner vs. Kaz) 20,000 for Slammiversary (King Of The Mountain Match) 25,000 for Victory Road (Samoa Joe vs. Booker T I) 35,000 for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Booker T II) 20,000 for No Surrender (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage) 35,000 for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Samoa Joe) 30,000 for Turning Point (Sting vs. AJ Styles)
Average Buyrate: 28,600
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 25, 2008 18:31:10 GMT -5
2007 Figures:35,000 for (2006) Turning Point (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 34,000 for Final Resolution (Abyss vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage) 23,000 for Against All Odds (Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle) 36,000 for Destination X (Christian Cage vs. Kurt Angle) 35,000 for Lockdown (Team Angle vs. Team Cage) 21,000 for Sacrifice (Kurt Angle vs. Sting vs. Christian Cage) 22,000 for Slammiversary (King of the Mountain Match) 15,000 for Victory Road (Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle vs. Team 3D) 26,000 for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 17,000 for No Surrender (Kurt Angle vs. Abyss) 36,000 for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Kurt Angle) 27,000 for Genesis (Sting and Booker T vs. Kurt Angle and Kevin Nash) Average Buyrate: 27,250 2008 Figures:20,000 for Final Resolution (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage I) 30,000 for Against All Odds (Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage II) 20,000 for Destination X (Samoa Joe, Kevin Nash and Christian Cage vs. Angle Alliance) 55,000 for Lockdown (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle) 25,000 for Sacrifice (Samoa Joe vs. Scott Steiner vs. Kaz) 20,000 for Slammiversary (King Of The Mountain Match) 25,000 for Victory Road (Samoa Joe vs. Booker T I) 35,000 for Hard Justice (Samoa Joe vs. Booker T II) 20,000 for No Surrender (Samoa Joe vs. Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage) 35,000 for Bound For Glory (Sting vs. Samoa Joe) 30,000 for Turning Point (Sting vs. AJ Styles) Average Buyrate: 28,600 So, pretty much Joe/Angle in the cage did them big business this year. Surprising.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 25, 2008 19:41:07 GMT -5
There will be the people who say TNA is privately owned so these might not be true. But I don't doubt it. As much as I like TNA, Jarrett, Russo and Mantel aren't capable of creating long term meaningful admiration for the company. Russo is the joke which has held this promotion down since 2006, and Jarrett needs to get with the times. Imagine if they had signed Angle and went "realistic" and serious. With some comedy. Imagine how easily they would make more money being compelling instead of comedic. They've changed course after Foley came in, but they still cling to the gimmick matches, to Palin stuff, and just can't let go of the stupidity. It's upsetting, because there's such a vacuum for Pro Wrestling fans who don't like the WWE, and TNA is the only alternative on TV. If I had my wish, Lance Storm and Gabe Sapolsky would be hired tomorrow and Vince Russo shown the door. And Angle given equal power to Jarrett. But in all honesty I don't see it.
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Post by domrep on Dec 25, 2008 19:51:59 GMT -5
They really should take note when they build a serious feud that people want to see, they double their buys. Joe vs. Angle I at Genesis I believe did 60,000 buys. They basically rehash the same feud, a "serious angle" and it nets them 55,000 buys.
So they could do as much as 60,000 buys. Imagine how many more buys they could do if they actually ADVERTISE!
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2008 20:46:46 GMT -5
At least it's an average improvement over their 2007 numbers. Sure, a lot of that credit goes to Lockdown bringing the rest of the numbers up, but they also didn't really go below 20k like a few events in 2007.
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Post by rawthentic on Dec 25, 2008 21:01:31 GMT -5
It's amazing how much more buys Lockdown got compared to the other ones. The booking leading up to that show was probably far away the best TNA had all year. Joe/Angle, Team Cage vs Team Tomko, hell, even Kip and BG had a lot of good video packages leading up to that match. I don't even think that was their best show this year, but got the most buys and best attendance TNA had in the last 2 years.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 25, 2008 21:55:35 GMT -5
I am curious, however, how they do these estimates, considering TNA doesn't release any information. I suppose cable companies may provide some.
But yes, TNA should take a close look at Lockdown, which was an example of all-around solid booking on almost every front. There's a place in TNA for gimmick matches and silly stuff, but you've GOT to make your money matches and feuds serious draws.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 25, 2008 21:57:34 GMT -5
I am curious, however, how they do these estimates, considering TNA doesn't release any information. I suppose cable companies may provide some. But yes, TNA should take a close look at Lockdown, which was an example of all-around solid booking on almost every front. There's a place in TNA for gimmick matches and silly stuff, but you've GOT to make your money matches and feuds serious draws. Lockdown, though, IS an all gimmick show.
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Post by KLRA on Dec 25, 2008 22:30:30 GMT -5
I am curious, however, how they do these estimates, considering TNA doesn't release any information. I suppose cable companies may provide some. But yes, TNA should take a close look at Lockdown, which was an example of all-around solid booking on almost every front. There's a place in TNA for gimmick matches and silly stuff, but you've GOT to make your money matches and feuds serious draws. Lockdown, though, IS an all gimmick show. Which is ironic seeing that the entire show was booked perfectly so that each of the matches seemed "unique" even though it's an all gimmick show. Like half the time I didn't even notice the cage, just the awesome action going on in the ring.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 25, 2008 23:12:37 GMT -5
I am curious, however, how they do these estimates, considering TNA doesn't release any information. I suppose cable companies may provide some. But yes, TNA should take a close look at Lockdown, which was an example of all-around solid booking on almost every front. There's a place in TNA for gimmick matches and silly stuff, but you've GOT to make your money matches and feuds serious draws. Lockdown, though, IS an all gimmick show. I understand that; I think, personally speaking, I tend to distinguish cage matches from more gimmicky things like "on a pole" stuff, "feast or fired", or whatever. I think there can be a place in TNA for those kinds of matches, but they need a bit of de-emphasis. Granted, they're better about them then they even were a couple years ago. Really, there's a lot about TNA that's improved in the last year in small bits and pieces, but the overall atmosphere, pacing, and booking of the product really does need a giant, refreshing step forward. I suppose that's what frustrates a lot of people, that certain things seem to improve, but there are certain anchors that just weigh it down somewhat (which I guess refers mostly to Dutch Mantell, the breakneck ADD-style editing and presentation of Impact, etc.).
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2008 0:09:17 GMT -5
How are these estimates estimated? I'm not saying these numbers are wrong or right, but how do they come up with them?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2008 10:26:33 GMT -5
Can't TNA see this at all? Every one of their PPVs gets awful numbers, apart from the one show where the main event was actually booked seriously and felt like meaningful competition. Doesn't this make sense to anyone in that organization? Come on.
The way forward for TNA is to go UFC-style. Lose the backwards production (Impact is seriously like watching something from 1999) and give it a slick production worthy of a product in 2009. Cut all the useless "comedy" characters and angles, and the thousands of backstage segments and interviews we get every show. Make the company a mix of gripping drama and "legitimate" sporting competition.
Take a more serious approach and I think the buyrates they do will more than double over the course of a year.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 26, 2008 12:21:59 GMT -5
also, booking while it is a factor, is not the only factor that goes into buy rates. The economy is another, probably bigger factor. Also this does not factor in things like dvd sales, or legal digital downloads.
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Post by bob on Dec 26, 2008 12:39:03 GMT -5
They're headed in the right direction.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 26, 2008 13:47:23 GMT -5
They're headed in the right direction. Average Buyrate for 2007: 27,250 Average Buyrate for 2008: 28,600 Yep. Totally in the right direction.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 26, 2008 13:53:56 GMT -5
They're headed in the right direction. Average Buyrate for 2007: 27,250 Average Buyrate for 2008: 28,600 Yep. Totally in the right direction. If I want to walk to China, I could travel east or west and technically be going in the right direction, as I would reach it eventually. Doesn't mean I'm getting there any time soon. A 5 percent increase is an increase, even if it is a very small one.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 26, 2008 14:06:55 GMT -5
Average Buyrate for 2007: 27,250 Average Buyrate for 2008: 28,600 Yep. Totally in the right direction. If I want to walk to China, I could travel east or west and technically be going in the right direction, as I would reach it eventually. Doesn't mean I'm getting there any time soon. A 5 percent increase is an increase, even if it is a very small one. Ok, given it IS an increase... How long until they're even on the level of 100,000 buys for their shows on average? That's giving them too much credit if an average of 1,000 more PPVs are purchased throughout the course of a year.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 26, 2008 18:43:37 GMT -5
Average Buyrate for 2007: 27,250 Average Buyrate for 2008: 28,600 Yep. Totally in the right direction. If I want to walk to China, I could travel east or west and technically be going in the right direction, as I would reach it eventually. Doesn't mean I'm getting there any time soon. A 5 percent increase is an increase, even if it is a very small one. Actually... There's a margin for error to be accounts for here. And an increase that minimal falls into that. In other words, an increase of less than, say, 5,000 pretty much equates to no increase at all. TNA hasn't significantly increased their viewership in a long time. And all signs indicate they won't anytime soon, either.
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