Estimated TNA PPV Buys in 2008

[Michael Coello]

Dec 26, 2008 18:43:37 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Dec 26, 2008 13:53:56 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

If I want to walk to China, I could travel east or west and technically be going in the right direction, as I would reach it eventually. Doesn't mean I'm getting there any time soon. A 5 percent increase is an increase, even if it is a very small one.

Actually...

There's a margin for error to be accounts for here. And an increase that minimal falls into that. In other words, an increase of less than, say, 5,000 pretty much equates to no increase at all.

TNA hasn't significantly increased their viewership in a long time. And all signs indicate they won't anytime soon, either.

Oh, for god's sake, now we're going go with a margin of error to make sure everyone knows how wrong TNA is?

I swear, no matter what happens, it's always not good enough for people. The ratings aren't big enough, buyrates aren't big enough, attendance isn't big enough. I'm just tired of it.

[comahan]

Its amusing how a handful of people come into every TNA thread and try as hard as they can to find something about whatever is posted, be it Estimated Buyrates or something like a Charity Event, and put a negative spin on it. If its simply to get a reaction, congratulations, youre annoying.

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 18:50:42 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Dec 26, 2008 18:43:37 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Actually...

There's a margin for error to be accounts for here. And an increase that minimal falls into that. In other words, an increase of less than, say, 5,000 pretty much equates to no increase at all.

TNA hasn't significantly increased their viewership in a long time. And all signs indicate they won't anytime soon, either.

Oh, for god's sake, now we're going go with a margin of error to make sure everyone knows how wrong TNA is?

I swear, no matter what happens, it's always not good enough for people. The ratings aren't big enough, buyrates aren't big enough, attendance isn't big enough. I'm just tired of it.

Well, then feel free to ignore it?

But the fact is, they AREN'T growing. You can piss and moan all you want about people calling them on it, but it won't change the fact. The "Everyone else is wrong" argument only goes so far.

[toodarkmark]

Dec 26, 2008 18:50:42 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Dec 26, 2008 18:43:37 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Actually...

There's a margin for error to be accounts for here. And an increase that minimal falls into that. In other words, an increase of less than, say, 5,000 pretty much equates to no increase at all.

TNA hasn't significantly increased their viewership in a long time. And all signs indicate they won't anytime soon, either.

Oh, for god's sake, now we're going go with a margin of error to make sure everyone knows how wrong TNA is?

I swear, no matter what happens, it's always not good enough for people. The ratings aren't big enough, buyrates aren't big enough, attendance isn't big enough. I'm just tired of it.

It's funny Sinister. There was a while where I didnt go on news sites or forums and REALLY enjoyed TNA. Sure stuff bothered me, but who cared? I would just forget.

When you read criticisms, you start incorporating them into your paradigm. Just take everything with a grain of salt. Forums are usually places to bitch, and everyone has the right to hate. On Wrestlecrap alot of people hate on TNA, but that's what happens when you have smart marks. We bitch and complain. But we eventually come back.

TNA is a wrestling company some people, like you and I, enjoy. Alot more people will hate, that's just life.

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:02:01 GMT -5 comahan said:

Its amusing how a handful of people come into every TNA thread and try as hard as they can to find something about whatever is posted, be it Estimated Buyrates or something like a Charity Event, and put a negative spin on it. If its simply to get a reaction, congratulations, youre annoying.

I'll tell you what's amusing. This...



Seriously, I nearly cried.

[toodarkmark]

Dec 26, 2008 19:03:25 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Dec 26, 2008 18:50:42 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Oh, for god's sake, now we're going go with a margin of error to make sure everyone knows how wrong TNA is?

I swear, no matter what happens, it's always not good enough for people. The ratings aren't big enough, buyrates aren't big enough, attendance isn't big enough. I'm just tired of it.

Well, then feel free to ignore it?

But the fact is, they AREN'T growing. You can piss and moan all you want about people calling them on it, but it won't change the fact. The "Everyone else is wrong" argument only goes so far.

No offense Hollywood, but you hate TNA. You barely watch it, yet you seem to have constant criticism. I have been going on here for a year and in every single post you have some sort of insult or criticism of TNA. Many of them beginning "I didn't see it but..."

Not EVERYONE agrees with you that TNA sucks and is horrible. In fact alot of people enjoy it. Far more than enjoy ROH for instance. Just because YOU have an opinion, and some people share it with you, doesn't make it right.

SInister has a point, why do so many haters, so many people who don't watch TNA and just enjoy mocking it, come on to this TNA section? I just don't get it. Personally Id rather discuss TNA with people who don't seem to hope it closes down next week.

[comahan]

Cue the "I dont hope it shuts down, I just wish it didnt suck!" response.

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:15:21 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

Not EVERYONE agrees with you that TNA sucks and is horrible.

Just for the record, I've never asked anyone to agree with me. And I like to think that my comments are best summed up as "Russo sucks" rather than "TNA sucks."

[toodarkmark]

I want TNA to do better and not have all it's issues, I want ROH to get a TV deal, and I want WWE to fail and have detested it since 1990. But I don't go into the WWE forum attacking EVERY LITTLE THING they do. Maybe I just don't have the time.

[Michael Coello]

Dec 26, 2008 19:20:19 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:15:21 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

Not EVERYONE agrees with you that TNA sucks and is horrible.

Just for the record, I've never asked anyone to agree with me. And I like to think that my comments are best summed up as "Russo sucks" rather than "TNA sucks."

Though, now it's more like "I hope Russo gets cancer, so I can lick up his tears from hearing it, laugh at his bald head after chemo, and make a swerve joke when ti goes into remission."

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:20:57 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

I want TNA to do better and not have all it's issues, I want ROH to get a TV deal, and I want WWE to fail and have detested it since 1990. But I don't go into the WWE forum attacking EVERY LITTLE THING they do. Maybe I just don't have the time.

This is where I say that I'm fine with all three companies doing well. And even welcome others to do so, as well.

[toodarkmark]

Dec 26, 2008 19:20:19 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:15:21 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

Not EVERYONE agrees with you that TNA sucks and is horrible.

Just for the record, I've never asked anyone to agree with me. And I like to think that my comments are best summed up as "Russo sucks" rather than "TNA sucks."

I detest Russo, but I disagree with you that TNA isn't growing. It would grow better, faster, stronger if the booking and writing was better, I can agree with that. There's alot about it I hate.

But I also see the positives and enjoy it, and wouldn't just mock someone who thinks it is growing by saying that "saying everyone else is wrong argument won't fly". That's all I'm saying.

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:22:37 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:20:19 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Just for the record, I've never asked anyone to agree with me. And I like to think that my comments are best summed up as "Russo sucks" rather than "TNA sucks."

Though, now it's more like "I hope Russo gets cancer, so I can lick up his tears from hearing it, laugh at his bald head after chemo, and make a swerve joke when ti goes into remission."

I resent that comment. I'd never laugh at someone whose bald.

[metylerca]

Dec 26, 2008 19:24:43 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:22:37 GMT -5 Michael Coello said:

Though, now it's more like "I hope Russo gets cancer, so I can lick up his tears from hearing it, laugh at his bald head after chemo, and make a swerve joke when ti goes into remission."

I resent that comment. I'd never laugh at someone whose bald.

;D ;D ;D

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:24:42 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:20:19 GMT -5 hollywood said:

Just for the record, I've never asked anyone to agree with me. And I like to think that my comments are best summed up as "Russo sucks" rather than "TNA sucks."

I detest Russo, but I disagree with you that TNA isn't growing. It would grow better, faster, stronger if the booking and writing was better, I can agree with that. There's alot about it I hate.

But I also see the positives and enjoy it, and wouldn't just mock someone who thinks it is growing by saying that "saying everyone else is wrong argument won't fly". That's all I'm saying.

I've never mocked anyone's arguments on this board. I've disagreed with them, and said why I disagreed. But, with the exception of the really funny ones, I've never flat out mocked anyone here.

I save that for Vince Russo, HHH, and the Cubs.

[toodarkmark]

When I met Dixie Carter there was NOTHING more I wanted to say then FIre Russo, but I didn't. Because I bet she's trying her best. Same with Silkin and Gabe when I met them. Well Gabe I just called a genius. But in the end, we can bitch about it, but 100% bitching doesn't seem to be working.

In fact when I started to chant Fire Russo in NYC, no one joined me and Dixie looked right at me pissed off. So that's not gonna work. He's there to stay. Urgh.

[metylerca]

Dec 26, 2008 19:24:42 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

But I also see the positives and enjoy it, and wouldn't just mock someone who thinks it is growing by saying that "saying everyone else is wrong argument won't fly". That's all I'm saying.

The problem is, it seems as though ANY criticism of TNA comes with the reply of "Well you just don't like TNA, so why should your opinion matter?"

It is just as hard to have any objections to TNA's way of running business as it is to enjoy TNA, and I understand that.

But the cynical attitude some here have just because they hate TNA to get criticized is stupid.

Rather than try to engage in a conversation of what the problems are, there will instead be a cynical comment that subtly attacks people who aren't pro-TNA.





and of course there will be faces such as so.

[Corporate H]

Sweet, if all this is true I can say I was at TNA's biggest show...probably ever.

[hollywood]

Dec 26, 2008 19:28:54 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

When I met Dixie Carter there was NOTHING more I wanted to say then FIre Russo, but I didn't. Because I bet she's trying her best. Same with Silkin and Gabe when I met them. Well Gabe I just called a genius. But in the end, we can bitch about it, but 100% bitching doesn't seem to be working.

Again, I don't consider myself as "bitching." I tend to think of it as "mockery." Not of people on the board, but TNA itself.

In fact when I started to chant Fire Russo in NYC, no one joined me and Dixie looked right at me pissed off. So that's not gonna work. He's there to stay. Urgh.

Let her be pissed. You're supposed to be who she's catering to. YOU'RE her fanbase, her customer, the people that are actually supposed to be the whole reason TNA, and any other promotion, exists in the first place.

Me, I like to think if I met Dixie, I'd just ask, "So, how long till you think you guys get your collective heads out of your asses?" I probably wouldn't, but I like to imagine I would. That'd be sweeet.

[toodarkmark]

Dec 26, 2008 19:30:08 GMT -5 metylerca said:

Dec 26, 2008 19:24:42 GMT -5 toodarkmark said:

But I also see the positives and enjoy it, and wouldn't just mock someone who thinks it is growing by saying that "saying everyone else is wrong argument won't fly". That's all I'm saying.

The problem is, it seems as though ANY criticism of TNA comes with the reply of "Well you just don't like TNA, so why should your opinion matter?"

It is just as hard to have any objections to TNA's way of running business as it is to enjoy TNA, and I understand that.

But the cynical attitude some here have just because they hate TNA to get criticized is stupid.

Rather than try to engage in a conversation of what the problems are, there will instead be a cynical comment that subtly attacks people who aren't pro-TNA.





and of course there will be faces such as so.

Just out of curiosity, why would people who hate TNA constantly go on a TNA board? I criticize it often, but I'm a fan. I don't agree that the criticism is met with cynicism.

The point is I hate the WWE, and have no interest in going into their forums and pointing out everything they do wrong, constantly. I just don't care. Why do people who hate TNA always come into TNA forums and criticize away. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the concept.