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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 26, 2008 19:37:11 GMT -5
When I met Dixie Carter there was NOTHING more I wanted to say then FIre Russo, but I didn't. Because I bet she's trying her best. Same with Silkin and Gabe when I met them. Well Gabe I just called a genius. But in the end, we can bitch about it, but 100% bitching doesn't seem to be working. Again, I don't consider myself as "bitching." I tend to think of it as "mockery." Not of people on the board, but TNA itself. Let her be pissed. You're supposed to be who she's catering to. YOU'RE her fanbase, her customer, the people that are actually supposed to be the whole reason TNA, and any other promotion, exists in the first place. Me, I like to think if I met Dixie, I'd just ask, "So, how long till you think you guys get your collective heads out of your asses?" I probably wouldn't, but I like to imagine I would. That'd be sweeet. She's smoking hot and owns the #2 wrestling promotion in the country. You'd have a kool aid smile and go "hu hu hi". Like everyone else.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 26, 2008 19:44:38 GMT -5
The problem is, it seems as though ANY criticism of TNA comes with the reply of "Well you just don't like TNA, so why should your opinion matter?" It is just as hard to have any objections to TNA's way of running business as it is to enjoy TNA, and I understand that. But the cynical attitude some here have just because they hate TNA to get criticized is stupid. Rather than try to engage in a conversation of what the problems are, there will instead be a cynical comment that subtly attacks people who aren't pro-TNA. and of course there will be faces such as so. Just out of curiosity, why would people who hate TNA constantly go on a TNA board? I criticize it often, but I'm a fan. I don't agree that the criticism is met with cynicism. The point is I hate the WWE, and have no interest in going into their forums and pointing out everything they do wrong, constantly. I just don't care. Why do people who hate TNA always come into TNA forums and criticize away. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the concept. The thing is, I don't hate TNA. I'm sure plenty of others don't either. I watch it from time to time and just don't find myself enjoying it. I watched every Impact from the FSN era. I ordered their first 5 or so 3-hour PPV's. I watched from their beginnings on Spike and stopped for a while due to my dislike for wrestling altogether. Then I got drawn back in with the first Angle/Joe match, which I liked a lot. But then came the TNA that we have today that has 3 minute matches on television, nonsensical storylines with useless comedy skits, and gimmicks galore. I want to enjoy watching TNA, but when I do try to watch, it comes off as second rate. I'm sure plenty of people can echo my statements. I don't call people TNA Marks(~!) and sheep when I have something to say about TNA, but I see the opposite attitude whenever somebody does actually have a gripe with TNA, where they'd be called a WWE Mark and just a TNA hater. I see the cynicism from the same people because they hate anyone coming onto the TNA board and having a bad thing to say about TNA.
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Post by rawthentic on Dec 26, 2008 20:58:28 GMT -5
If you don't like TNA, yet you don't want to be considered haters, why spend so much time on the board trashing TNA? I see you guys here a lot just to say negative things. If you don't enjoy the show, why do you care so much about getting your opinion out on how much it sucks? so we all know that you don't like it? your opinion is more valid than everybody who does enjoy TNA so if you don't enjoy Impact it must mean the show sucks?
What i find annoying is all the trashing on the ratings and PPV buys. TNA is still a pretty new company. How people come here and laugh at the 1.1 or look for ways to say that they still got a 1.1 when they got a 1.2 is ridiculous. They been a company for less than a decade, on t.v for less than 5 years on a station that doesent even get that many veiwers, yet people laugh that they arent scoring in the 3's like WWE or that they arent on the level of the WWE as far as fanbase, or they don't get huge buyrates..you arent going to be big time when you were still an independent company just a few years ago, you don't get an extra point every week, they have maintained loyal veiwers. WWE have been regularly broadcasting since the early 80's and they werent scoring big numbers from the start, they were pulling in IMPACT numbers at time in the mid 90's.
It seems like a lot of you want TNA to fail so you can say that you were right.
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Post by GaTechGrad on Dec 26, 2008 23:35:20 GMT -5
If you don't like TNA, yet you don't want to be considered haters, why spend so much time on the board trashing TNA? I see you guys here a lot just to say negative things. If you don't enjoy the show, why do you care so much about getting your opinion out on how much it sucks? so we all know that you don't like it? your opinion is more valid than everybody who does enjoy TNA so if you don't enjoy Impact it must mean the show sucks? I could understand it if these people were WWE or ROH marks, but they're not... the only posts they make here are anti-TNA posts.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 26, 2008 23:58:49 GMT -5
Again, I don't consider myself as "bitching." I tend to think of it as "mockery." Not of people on the board, but TNA itself. Let her be pissed. You're supposed to be who she's catering to. YOU'RE her fanbase, her customer, the people that are actually supposed to be the whole reason TNA, and any other promotion, exists in the first place. Me, I like to think if I met Dixie, I'd just ask, "So, how long till you think you guys get your collective heads out of your asses?" I probably wouldn't, but I like to imagine I would. That'd be sweeet. She's smoking hot and owns the #2 wrestling promotion in the country. You'd have a kool aid smile and go "hu hu hi". Like everyone else. You're probably right. But we all like to imagine we'd do something cool.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 26, 2008 23:59:41 GMT -5
If you don't like TNA, yet you don't want to be considered haters, why spend so much time on the board trashing TNA? I see you guys here a lot just to say negative things. If you don't enjoy the show, why do you care so much about getting your opinion out on how much it sucks? so we all know that you don't like it? your opinion is more valid than everybody who does enjoy TNA so if you don't enjoy Impact it must mean the show sucks? I could understand it if these people were WWE or ROH marks, but they're not... the only posts they make here are anti-TNA posts. I'll have you knowing that I do contribute to conversations, and have done so my own fair share of times. I do spend most of my time on WWE current, and sometimes at Off-Topic.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 27, 2008 2:14:34 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is, people have the right both to criticize, as well as to praise TNA, no matter what the other side thinks. Sure, just because they are allowed to doesn't mean they should spend all their time doing so. Though for the people who think that TNA should never be criticized, well... everything in this world can be criticized by someone, constructive or otherwise. You will never be able to stop people from hating something and you really shouldn't try either. Just do like someone said earlier and ignore the anti TNA comments if you really don't want to get mad. It's really not worth getting upset over something somebody posted over the internet.
As for TNA, I have my complaints and dislikes about the company, but in the end, that's just my opinion, not any sort of fact. Though I will state one thing that is not an opinion, TNA is nowhere near the WWE's level right now. Maybe someday they'll get there, maybe not. You never know if someone will be able to stumble upon a hot angle in TNA that could put them on the rise.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 27, 2008 3:13:37 GMT -5
If you don't like TNA, yet you don't want to be considered haters, why spend so much time on the board trashing TNA? I see you guys here a lot just to say negative things. If you don't enjoy the show, why do you care so much about getting your opinion out on how much it sucks? so we all know that you don't like it? your opinion is more valid than everybody who does enjoy TNA so if you don't enjoy Impact it must mean the show sucks? What i find annoying is all the trashing on the ratings and PPV buys. TNA is still a pretty new company. How people come here and laugh at the 1.1 or look for ways to say that they still got a 1.1 when they got a 1.2 is ridiculous. They been a company for less than a decade, on t.v for less than 5 years on a station that doesent even get that many veiwers, yet people laugh that they arent scoring in the 3's like WWE or that they arent on the level of the WWE as far as fanbase, or they don't get huge buyrates..you arent going to be big time when you were still an independent company just a few years ago, you don't get an extra point every week, they have maintained loyal veiwers. WWE have been regularly broadcasting since the early 80's and they werent scoring big numbers from the start, they were pulling in IMPACT numbers at time in the mid 90's. It seems like a lot of you want TNA to fail so you can say that you were right. I agree. It's like a lot of posters come on here just hoping it will fail, and get a certain pleasure from attacking it over and over again. I have a lot of criticisms of TNA, but if you never watch it, and every post you ever have it mocking it, why bother? Do you enjoy watching wrestling companies fail? I like a good, intelligent discussion. But one post after another insulting it, without even watching it, it's just ridiculous to me.
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 27, 2008 3:18:57 GMT -5
If I want to walk to China, I could travel east or west and technically be going in the right direction, as I would reach it eventually. Doesn't mean I'm getting there any time soon. A 5 percent increase is an increase, even if it is a very small one. Ok, given it IS an increase... How long until they're even on the level of 100,000 buys for their shows on average? That's giving them too much credit if an average of 1,000 more PPVs are purchased throughout the course of a year. that's 12,000 more ppv's a year, at $30 a pop. Your looking at 360,000 more dollars.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 27, 2008 9:39:13 GMT -5
Ok, given it IS an increase... How long until they're even on the level of 100,000 buys for their shows on average? That's giving them too much credit if an average of 1,000 more PPVs are purchased throughout the course of a year. that's 12,000 more ppv's a year, at $30 a pop. Your looking at 360,000 more dollars. And in a company with the amount of overhead that TNA has, that's pretty inconsequential.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 27, 2008 9:52:20 GMT -5
On the subject of "why be critical", I can say that I remember the end of WCW, I remember some of the names on the booking team that, frankly, sucked horribly. Many of them are working for TNA now. Russo we know, but as I recall Disco, Borash, and Ross Foreman (all working for TNA behind the scenes) were as well.
I am critical of that decision, as I am of WWE bringing in ol' Johnny Skateboard to run talent relations, when his stint doing so with WCW was an abysmal failure by all accounts.
I do not dislike the company, and do want them to succeed, ut if you own a racing team, and a particular crew for another team constantly proves that they can not do their job successfully, why would you then hire them to be responsible for your team?
Poor analogy, I know, but I'm tired.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 27, 2008 9:56:43 GMT -5
On the subject of "why be critical", I can say that I remember the end of WCW, I remember some of the names on the booking team that, frankly, sucked horribly. Many of them are working for TNA now. Russo we know, but as I recall Disco, Borash, and Ross Foreman (all working for TNA behind the scenes) were as well. I their defense, the did fire Disco. And for doing that after he constantly towed the company line...well, it was awesome.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 27, 2008 10:00:53 GMT -5
On the subject of "why be critical", I can say that I remember the end of WCW, I remember some of the names on the booking team that, frankly, sucked horribly. Many of them are working for TNA now. Russo we know, but as I recall Disco, Borash, and Ross Foreman (all working for TNA behind the scenes) were as well. I their defense, the did fire Disco. And for doing that after he constantly towed the company line...well, it was awesome. I prefer to think of it that they dind't fire him, they just wanted him to job to jacqueline again, and he ran away to hide in a tree house made of an old Disco ball. Sadly, this mental image also includes Terry Taylor doing the chicken dance underneath the tree house. I think I might be going crazy.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 27, 2008 11:55:04 GMT -5
I would never stop anyone from having an opinion, but it does end up ringing pretty hollow when people criticize but never actually watch.
Almost every person on this section of the board who does watch TNA has their fair share of criticisms about it, but at least they're watching it to establish their opinions.
Not for nothing, but I haven't watched a full WWE broadcast in four years, so, basically, I stopped offering opinions on matches, angles, feuds, etc. in the WWE section, because, as someone who doesn't watch, I brought no frame of reference to the table. If somebody asks me why I stopped watching I'll certainly tell them, but, you know what? I can't say a thing, good or bad, about Vladimir Koslov, I can't say a thing about the Divas Title, I can't say much about how good or terrible their booking team is, I can't really say a thing about whether or not Triple H is still burying people. Simple reason why? Because I haven't seen any of it.
There are tons of things I'd change about TNA, but, then again, the show is inoffensive to me, and I enjoy seeing some of my old ROH favorites on national TV, so I can sit through an episode and basically feel fine. That's not exactly glowing praise on my part, but whatever.
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Post by twiggy101 on Dec 27, 2008 12:11:29 GMT -5
Its amusing how a handful of people come into every TNA thread and try as hard as they can to find something about whatever is posted, be it Estimated Buyrates or something like a Charity Event, and put a negative spin on it. If its simply to get a reaction, congratulations, youre annoying. I'll tell you what's amusing. This... Seriously, I nearly cried. That's indeed amusing. My cousin announced at my grandparents' house yesterday that he and his girlfriend were engaged.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 27, 2008 12:37:23 GMT -5
I their defense, the did fire Disco. And for doing that after he constantly towed the company line...well, it was awesome. I prefer to think of it that they dind't fire him, they just wanted him to job to jacqueline again, and he ran away to hide in a tree house made of an old Disco ball. Sadly, this mental image also includes Terry Taylor doing the chicken dance underneath the tree house. I think I might be going crazy. I rather like the image of Disco bouncing into work, happy as a clown, without a care in the world. Lovin' his job. Lovin' life. And then Dixie meets him at the door and tells him he's fired. I don't suppose there's a chance he came back with his wife and kids, and Dixie said, "Kids...would you please tell your daddy...that he's STILL fired?"
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2008 22:19:34 GMT -5
If you don't like TNA, yet you don't want to be considered haters, why spend so much time on the board trashing TNA? I see you guys here a lot just to say negative things. If you don't enjoy the show, why do you care so much about getting your opinion out on how much it sucks? so we all know that you don't like it? your opinion is more valid than everybody who does enjoy TNA so if you don't enjoy Impact it must mean the show sucks? What i find annoying is all the trashing on the ratings and PPV buys. TNA is still a pretty new company. How people come here and laugh at the 1.1 or look for ways to say that they still got a 1.1 when they got a 1.2 is ridiculous. They been a company for less than a decade, on t.v for less than 5 years on a station that doesent even get that many veiwers, yet people laugh that they arent scoring in the 3's like WWE or that they arent on the level of the WWE as far as fanbase, or they don't get huge buyrates..you arent going to be big time when you were still an independent company just a few years ago, you don't get an extra point every week, they have maintained loyal veiwers. WWE have been regularly broadcasting since the early 80's and they werent scoring big numbers from the start, they were pulling in IMPACT numbers at time in the mid 90's. It seems like a lot of you want TNA to fail so you can say that you were right. I agree. It's like a lot of posters come on here just hoping it will fail, and get a certain pleasure from attacking it over and over again. I have a lot of criticisms of TNA, but if you never watch it, and every post you ever have it mocking it, why bother? Do you enjoy watching wrestling companies fail? I like a good, intelligent discussion. But one post after another insulting it, without even watching it, it's just ridiculous to me. I've actually seen a lot of people admit that they do watch the show. The thoughts of "blind hatred" is just out of paranoia, I think. I hardly doubt there are people who sit around all day thinking up ways to bash TNA. I'm sure they post for the same reasons you do and that is to discuss TNA.
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Post by dpg on Dec 29, 2008 3:49:06 GMT -5
Where the hell did these buy estimates come from? Same place most TNA insider info comes from, wild guesses backed up by constant repitition?
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