The Hunger Games Mafia! *Locked*

[Tfmcmg is Johnny Green]

Just posting this so I don't get kicked out.
O.o didn't even know I was being that innactive.

[Brandon Walsh is Insane.]

Nov 16, 2009 9:12:26 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

Nov 16, 2009 2:04:49 GMT -5 Brandon Walsh is Insane. said:

I learned my lesson about making jokey posts, so I doubt I'll be casting a vote until I get more evidence or until needed.

It's nice to know that others see what I saw in Mr Emoticon Man though, and now I'm wondering if the only reason he suspects me as mafia is because I pointed out how quick he was to defend Jagilki.

It feels like putting a finger on me when all I did is point something out that bothered me, and that retaliation doesn't really help the town as a whole -- seems more personal than picking off scummy things. Which, in itself, is scummy. To me, at least.

That'd hold more weight if my post that pointed out your odd behavior didn't contain evidence that had nothing to do with me. Namely, how you threw suspicion not only on me, but on several others who didn't really do anything, either. THAT is what caught my attention, not you going after me in particular.

And I'm not even sure you're Mafia. Like I said... you could just be a jittery Townie, seeing monsters in every shadow.

I think we need more communication in this game, is all.

Short of just random voting, I don't know how else to get people to explain themselves. Now if I point fingers around, it can only help the town to explain yourself.

The thing that bothers me is not adding to the discussion. By staying visible and not adding anything to it, it doesn't help the town; and actually can split it apart down the seams. How many games have we played before this one where we lynched the lurkers, only to have them end up as town and not mafia?

I like the fact that post counts were posted a page or so back -- that helps greatly in figuring out who's posting but not really contributing, you know?

[♥ Bunnyslinger ♥]

That deadline is coming up mighty fast now, I still have my suspicions, they're vague, I'll admit. I'd rather not make an uninformed lynch, but it's not looking like there are going to be any major revelations any time soon. I'm not for a no-lynch as it does nothing to move the game along, but at the same time it feels like any vote is pretty much a shot in the dark as it stands now, and the possibility of lynching a townie by mistake is high.

Still, we need to apply pressure to someone, and see how they react to the possibility of being lynched. But like I said, the deadline is coming up, and we need to figure out where to apply said pressure.

[Jazzman]

Nov 16, 2009 11:37:45 GMT -5 Tfmcmg is Johnny Green said:

Just posting this so I don't get kicked out.
O.o didn't even know I was being that innactive.

So after lurking for nearly 10 pages of posts and communication you have nothing to offer? Really???

FoS at you good sir

[OblivionSorceress]

I've been rather quiet these past two pages I think. I'm just not sure what I can add exactly. I've expressed my opinions on those who are being examined at the moment and so far nothing really has changed my mind. Well I haven't really said what I thought about Mr. Emoticon Man so I'll look over what's been said and give my thoughts....Wow, honestly, I think that Mr. Emoticon Man defending Jag was blown way out of proportion. If I'm reading this correctly; this post started it all:

Nov 12, 2009 19:54:52 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

Nov 12, 2009 17:04:34 GMT -5 @psychotix5000 said:

That didn't come across as being humble, jagilki. It seemed like u were deliberately downplaying the fact that you are a very skilled mafia player.

The tone of your responses worry me also. It seems as though you might be upset that i outed you and are putting all your cards on the table because of it.

I could be making a mountain out of a molehill or i could've stumbled upon a rare mafioso mistake.

Could be that he was downplaying his skill just to stay out of the Mafia's crosshairs.

Just a thought.

I just don't see that as really going gun-ho on defending someone. That looks like more of a suggestion to me. So far I haven't read anything that Mr. Emoticon Man has wrote that appears scummy to me. Right now I must seem like I'm defending him but that's because I really don't want to screw this possible lynch up. I'm really hoping we get a mafia the first round, be a great way to start a game. I just really don't believe with what I have read that he's mafia. That's my input on the situation. Hopefully it was helpful.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Nov 16, 2009 13:28:26 GMT -5 Jazzman said:

Nov 16, 2009 11:37:45 GMT -5 Tfmcmg is Johnny Green said:

Just posting this so I don't get kicked out.
O.o didn't even know I was being that innactive.

So after lurking for nearly 10 pages of posts and communication you have nothing to offer? Really???

FoS at you good sir

To add to it his last post before posting was whether it was better to lurk or just post a throw away post. To which all responses were posting anything is better than nothing.

Not that he is the only one Crud had 2 posts.

Nov 11, 2009 18:50:39 GMT -5 crudulak said:

Have you had any previous Mafia Game experience?
My answer: This is the second game I've played, the first one on these forums as well. I claim a half-win, and will fight anyone that disagrees!

Would you say you have a good understanding of the game?
My answer: I think I started out ok as town, but replaced back in as mafia which forced me to completely change and I felt lost at what to do. Always did my best, though!

Do you have a favorite role?
My answer: Not yet, part of the fun is in going with the hand I'm dealt. I like being town most, so far, because I find I like to solve the puzzle of who is scum.

I really enjoy the playfulness of early Day One, so I'll try to be back with a least one incredibly funny(?) jokevote before my obnoxious playstyle makes an appearance in this game.

and

Nov 13, 2009 20:04:04 GMT -5 crudulak said:

jagilki does seem overly confident. That doesn't really scream scum to me.

What I think is scummier is filler posts, and not helping the town. He had several filler posts in a row aggressively defending himself, then acts like it doesn't really matter after all. Day one is early still, so I won't vote yet.

Do you have any suspects, jag?

Where is the agressive play style that was so helpfull to the town. Is this a case of not knowing how to broach a mafia's role? I mean he thinks filler posts are scummy but really that's all we have gotten.

Curt Hawkins fan popped in to remind us he forgot about the game, and ... then forgot about the game again apparently.

So while some of us who have been leading the town around have started drawing guns on each other, I think we probably have some mafia hoping they are slipping under the radar and watching to decide who is the biggest threat to them. Either that or if any of those non-participants are the night kill that leaves us with nothing. We don't know who they were pushing against or allying with. Day 2 will become just as much of a crapshoot as day 1.

[Oak: Certified Jade Hater]

Hmm...

Just looking over everything that I missed over the weekend, and it seems that I missed a lot. The things that stand out to me are the Jag and Emoticon suspicions.

To me, it seems that Jag said that while he has played this type of game a lot, he's still learning the ins and outs. He wasn't trying to downplay his experience, he was being humble. Course, whether or not that factors nicely into this type of game is up in the air at the moment, or so it would seem.

The suspicion of Emoticon is even more confusing to me, as he simply defended Jag. A little later, he gives reasons for Latino to be either Mafia or jittery Townie without ever accusing him and (to me) sort of giving him the benefit of the doubt.

As of right now, I can't join in on the bandwagon that seems to be forming, simply because I haven't seen any really suspicious behavior pop out. Day 1 is the toughest for the town, and I have to think the Mafia is sitting back and smiling to themselves after seeing the rest of us bicker amongst ourselves.

[♥ Bunnyslinger ♥]

Nov 16, 2009 13:28:26 GMT -5 Jazzman said:

Nov 16, 2009 11:37:45 GMT -5 Tfmcmg is Johnny Green said:

Just posting this so I don't get kicked out.
O.o didn't even know I was being that innactive.

So after lurking for nearly 10 pages of posts and communication you have nothing to offer? Really???

FoS at you good sir

Yes I agree, In fact I'm putting my vote on him and it'll stay there until he makes a defensive play good enough, or until someone else becomes more interesting.

Vote tfmcmg

[Jazzman]

Here's something to think about guys. Are willing to fire shots in the dark with a 'lynch the lurkers' policy, or go for people who are more participating probably thinking that they are important characters, increasing the chance we could hit a mafia, or at the same time a powerful townie. It's an interesting propostion and one that might come to a head if more of the lurkers don't get involved.

I know that Sawyer has power to Mod-Kill, but can we afford that chance going forward that someone doing the bear minimum could come back and bite us in the ass?

Please note, I'm not doing this to draw attention away from other avenues, I just feel like it's an honest question that we need to face early.

[crudulak]

Had a busy weekend (I'm an uncle for the forth time!) so don't go around calling me a lurker just yet.

I just caught up on the thread, and I didn't see where my question was answered;

jagilki: Do you have any suspects? If so, who?

I do have some other things to I'd like to point out, and maybe a vote, but it'll have to wait until this evening. Lots of good discussion, though.

[psychotix5000]

I need to reread this thread again to put all my ducks in a row, so to speak. I should have a vote tonite with an explanation why.

[Triple H buried SnS]

Nov 16, 2009 15:57:27 GMT -5 Jazzman said:

Here's something to think about guys. Are willing to fire shots in the dark with a 'lynch the lurkers' policy, or go for people who are more participating probably thinking that they are important characters, increasing the chance we could hit a mafia, or at the same time a powerful townie. It's an interesting propostion and one that might come to a head if more of the lurkers don't get involved.

I know that Sawyer has power to Mod-Kill, but can we afford that chance going forward that someone doing the bear minimum could come back and bite us in the ass?

Please note, I'm not doing this to draw attention away from other avenues, I just feel like it's an honest question that we need to face early.

I've thought about that a little.

A) Lynch an active player
1 - we hit scum... great, that's one down that we were able to interact with to formulate an opinion
2- we hit townie... damn, we were wrong and now have one less active townie helping us.

B) Lynch a less active player
1- we hit scum... AWESOME! that scum was trying to not say much so not to draw attention to himself. But we weeded him/her out anyway.
2- we hit townie... damn, but wasn't really helping us anyway.

I believe we have a higher % to hit scum from the one that are active, but beginning to feel like we have less to lose with one that is less active.

I'm not trying to change anyones votes, as I'm about as clueless at this point as everyone else. Just wanted to air my thoughts and see if anyone has a reason to agree or disagree with any part of it.

For me, Jag is the only one that has said something that raised a red flag(his humble comment).

My Suspect list:
Jag

[Tfmcmg is Johnny Green]

Wow voting for someone just because they don't have anything to offer is pretty scummy.

Also when I posted that I hadn't read all ten pages. Only the page that said I was being proded.
I thought I post in this thread on saturday but it turns out I didn't so I ended up missing most of saturday and sunday.

[Brandon Walsh is Insane.]

Nov 16, 2009 19:15:19 GMT -5 Tfmcmg is Johnny Green said:

Wow voting for someone just because they don't have anything to offer is pretty scummy.

Also when I posted that I hadn't read all ten pages. Only the page that said I was being proded.
I thought I post in this thread on saturday but it turns out I didn't so I ended up missing most of saturday and sunday.

But now is your chance to show that you are not mafia and to add in your ideas and thought process.

And I don't see you doing that yet.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

Nov 16, 2009 13:22:51 GMT -5 Brandon Walsh is Insane. said:

Nov 16, 2009 9:12:26 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

That'd hold more weight if my post that pointed out your odd behavior didn't contain evidence that had nothing to do with me. Namely, how you threw suspicion not only on me, but on several others who didn't really do anything, either. THAT is what caught my attention, not you going after me in particular.

And I'm not even sure you're Mafia. Like I said... you could just be a jittery Townie, seeing monsters in every shadow.

I think we need more communication in this game, is all.

Short of just random voting, I don't know how else to get people to explain themselves. Now if I point fingers around, it can only help the town to explain yourself.

The thing that bothers me is not adding to the discussion. By staying visible and not adding anything to it, it doesn't help the town; and actually can split it apart down the seams. How many games have we played before this one where we lynched the lurkers, only to have them end up as town and not mafia?

I like the fact that post counts were posted a page or so back -- that helps greatly in figuring out who's posting but not really contributing, you know?

I'm all for communication. But... some of your suspicions don't seem to support the idea that you do.

Take Bundy, for example. He requested more activity, which would bring more discussion and communication... and you pointed your finger at him.

Take me for another. I pointed out an alternate view on a hot topic, thus expanding the discussion and opening new lines of thought for communication... and I, too, got a finger pointed at me.

In short... something isn't adding up here. If you want communication, why jump on those who help provide it?

I do agree with your sentiments on one point, though. Those who are active enough to not be lurkers but aren't really contributing need to be watched. Mafia and 3rd Party got caught on the last game for that, so it's possible that it can happen again.

[Ravishing One]

Nov 16, 2009 19:56:55 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

Nov 16, 2009 13:22:51 GMT -5 Brandon Walsh is Insane. said:

I think we need more communication in this game, is all.

Short of just random voting, I don't know how else to get people to explain themselves. Now if I point fingers around, it can only help the town to explain yourself.

The thing that bothers me is not adding to the discussion. By staying visible and not adding anything to it, it doesn't help the town; and actually can split it apart down the seams. How many games have we played before this one where we lynched the lurkers, only to have them end up as town and not mafia?

I like the fact that post counts were posted a page or so back -- that helps greatly in figuring out who's posting but not really contributing, you know?

I'm all for communication. But... some of your suspicions don't seem to support the idea that you do.

Take Bundy, for example. He requested more activity, which would bring more discussion and communication... and you pointed your finger at him.

Take me for another. I pointed out an alternate view on a hot topic, thus expanding the discussion and opening new lines of thought for communication... and I, too, got a finger pointed at me.

In short... something isn't adding up here. If you want communication, why jump on those who help provide it?

I do agree with your sentiments on one point, though. Those who are active enough to not be lurkers but aren't really contributing need to be watched. Mafia and 3rd Party got caught on the last game for that, so it's possible that it can happen again.

Very good point. I have been wary of just voting to vote, but this and the deadline closing in have hastened my vote.

Vote : Latino Meat

[♥ Bunnyslinger ♥]

Nov 16, 2009 18:59:47 GMT -5 Triple H buried SnS said:

Nov 16, 2009 15:57:27 GMT -5 Jazzman said:

Here's something to think about guys. Are willing to fire shots in the dark with a 'lynch the lurkers' policy, or go for people who are more participating probably thinking that they are important characters, increasing the chance we could hit a mafia, or at the same time a powerful townie. It's an interesting propostion and one that might come to a head if more of the lurkers don't get involved.

I know that Sawyer has power to Mod-Kill, but can we afford that chance going forward that someone doing the bear minimum could come back and bite us in the ass?

Please note, I'm not doing this to draw attention away from other avenues, I just feel like it's an honest question that we need to face early.

I've thought about that a little.

A) Lynch an active player
1 - we hit scum... great, that's one down that we were able to interact with to formulate an opinion
2- we hit townie... damn, we were wrong and now have one less active townie helping us.

B) Lynch a less active player
1- we hit scum... AWESOME! that scum was trying to not say much so not to draw attention to himself. But we weeded him/her out anyway.
2- we hit townie... damn, but wasn't really helping us anyway.

I believe we have a higher % to hit scum from the one that are active, but beginning to feel like we have less to lose with one that is less active.

I'm not trying to change anyones votes, as I'm about as clueless at this point as everyone else. Just wanted to air my thoughts and see if anyone has a reason to agree or disagree with any part of it.

For me, Jag is the only one that has said something that raised a red flag(his humble comment).

My Suspect list:
Jag

I strongly agree with the part I bolded, I've opted for the latter(less active vote) but I'm willing to change my vote should the need arise. Jag is still on my list of suspects, and I've re-read his posts several times, and I agree, he came off a little scummy, but the more time passes,the more my doubt and confusion grows about him.


looking back, even though there's 8 pages of discussion, there's not a lot to go on, and it's hard to reach a consensus

[crudulak]

A lot of suspects being thrown around! Here's a summary based on my understanding, please correct me if I'm off:

tfmcmg: Has posted with no content, gone back to not posting

This type of thing makes me suspicious as well, but tfmcmg has some time left to contribute. I will worry more if this continues.

Emoticon: perceived by some as having defended jag, and there seems to be a problem with how he defended himself

I don't think Emoticon was necessarily defending jag, he was just pointing out an alternative to a particular argument, one that crossed my mind as well. It seems like a lot of the suspicion being directed towards him depends on jag actually being mafia, and we don't know that yet.

jagilki: I think everything has been mentioned.

I didn't think his behavior was scummy until his 180, and he still hasn't answered my question directly; implied that his "defenders" could be scum. While a good tactic for scum to take, I think we'd also have to consider the possibility that a mafioso under fire might attempt to deflect the discussion towards another player. Also, the Lie-Detector thing is really odd. Someone claiming as town seems a given, but invoking a strange role to justify the claim? This might be an attempt to muddy discussion.

ritt: seems to be defending himself too "eagerly," and defending jag

Another suspect that requires jag to be mafia. I'm not feeling this case, but jag flipping as mafia would do a lot to change my mind. Is there anything I'm missing about this?

Carne Loco: I've picked up Latino's name a few times as a suspect, but it seems like everything has been explained as "Day One Joking."

Next post: My suspects! Dum, dum, duuumm....

[crudulak]

EBWOP

Emoticon's case against Latino was posted while I was writing the above, so please ignore what I said about Latino until I have digested it.

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2009 19:56:55 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

Nov 16, 2009 13:22:51 GMT -5 Brandon Walsh is Insane. said:

I think we need more communication in this game, is all.

Short of just random voting, I don't know how else to get people to explain themselves. Now if I point fingers around, it can only help the town to explain yourself.

The thing that bothers me is not adding to the discussion. By staying visible and not adding anything to it, it doesn't help the town; and actually can split it apart down the seams. How many games have we played before this one where we lynched the lurkers, only to have them end up as town and not mafia?

I like the fact that post counts were posted a page or so back -- that helps greatly in figuring out who's posting but not really contributing, you know?

I'm all for communication. But... some of your suspicions don't seem to support the idea that you do.

Take Bundy, for example. He requested more activity, which would bring more discussion and communication... and you pointed your finger at him.

Take me for another. I pointed out an alternate view on a hot topic, thus expanding the discussion and opening new lines of thought for communication... and I, too, got a finger pointed at me.

In short... something isn't adding up here. If you want communication, why jump on those who help provide it?

I do agree with your sentiments on one point, though. Those who are active enough to not be lurkers but aren't really contributing need to be watched. Mafia and 3rd Party got caught on the last game for that, so it's possible that it can happen again.

It seems to me that by jumping on those who add to the discussion it ended up raising even more discussion thus helping us through the game. It seems like your looking at it from only one perspective, that he's attacking the people who speak up yet honestly at this stage in the game what else can we do? the only way to truly find out whats going on is by stirring the pot a little isn't it? i haven't played one of these online before but that seems like the way we should go about it... by having no one contradict or question one another we never really find out anything about who is who which according to what most people have said is crucial in the early days. Now this doesn't clear Meat in my books completely as he's one person to watch but in my opinion he seems like a guy just trying to figure out what other people are.

You seem to really have your sights set on Latino Meat... its gone beyond the point of you defending yourself and into the point that you've gone on the offensive. i don't exactly think your a mafia member yet (as its far too early for me to tell at all) but the way you seem to keep attacking him does raise a few suspicions imho.