The Hunger Games Mafia! *Locked*

[psychotix5000]

Two quick additions to the convo before I head off to work

1)While I still think jag is my number one suspect as mafia, there is something about Emoticon that rubs me the wrong way. I think he's trying a little too hard to convince us he's town ever since he was questioned about his defending jagilki.

2) GM, could we please get prods on anyone that has yet to contribute to the discussion?

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Looking back through the last four pages and ignoring the people who are posting frequently the drop in short posters and one liners seem to be doing a great job of both staying under the radar and stirring the pot. Being the weekend though maybe things have came up for some of them so I am not jumping to conclusions yet but by Monday if we haven't heard more from some of them I think we need to analyze closer what little we do have on them.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

Nov 15, 2009 15:50:26 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

I'm always wary about the necesseity to lynch, as the chances of hitting right are so low. It's why I'm reluctant to join the bandwagon on jag, he's suspicious certainly but I can't vote until I've heard out a bit more, new, information.

Yeah. From a numbers stand-point, the odds aren't in our favor. Still... information gleamed from lynching tends to be important, so we probably should take our chances. No risk, no rewards, after all.

[Tea & Crumpets]

Nov 15, 2009 17:10:33 GMT -5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan said:

Nov 15, 2009 15:50:26 GMT -5 Tea & Crumpets said:

I'm always wary about the necesseity to lynch, as the chances of hitting right are so low. It's why I'm reluctant to join the bandwagon on jag, he's suspicious certainly but I can't vote until I've heard out a bit more, new, information.

Yeah. From a numbers stand-point, the odds aren't in our favor. Still... information gleamed from lynching tends to be important, so we probably should take our chances. No risk, no rewards, after all.

See, I can understand this from someone after lynching jag, but from a jagilki defender? Just confuses me a little as to your intentions. Whodo you believe we should lynch?

You'd been nowhere on my radar before but you might be on the very fringe now. I've got a suspect list of around 4 people at the moment.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

I "defended" jag because I saw that nobody was pointing out what should have been obvious, but that doesn't mean I'm against any lynch. I just believe lynches should be made in an informed manner. Jag's action wasn't really all that scummy, and there's a way of looking at it that makes it seem a perfectly reasonable course of action for a Townie. That's why I spoke up and mentioned that; not because I'm against any lynch (or even a lynch on jag, for that matter), but because I'm against a lynch based on that particular reason.

As for who I think we should lynch... I'm not sure. Latino is certainly on my radar; something about him doesn't sit right with me, as I believe I've made clear. But if someone made a good case against another person, I'd be willing to listen to that, too, so long as I found the reasoning behind it to be sound.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

This being only my second game how many power roles do you think the town has? I know of investigator, doctor, vigilante, and masons? So maybe 4 or 5 and there are probably 4 mafia and maybe a third party or two. So don't we run the risk of randomly outing our own power roles as much as we do have hitting a scum. Not that I am for a no lynch but more so I am for getting more people talking so we can at least vote with some info.

That said I would rather vote for a lurker or insignificant poster than any of the people who have been pointed at so far, because lets face it a good poster who draws conversation is generally more effective than a silent power role.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

I don't think we have to worry about lynching power roles. If one comes close to being lynched, he or she have the option of claiming.

And there's really no telling how many we have. Beyond the traditional mainstays (cop, doctor, etc), each mod typically makes use of a different array of roles. Makes trying to figure them all out this early in the game a rather pointless venture.

[jagilki]

OK, let me explain a few things in a way that may make more sense.

The whole suspicion of me seems to of started because I say I've played a lot of games, then said I feel I have a passing understanding of the game.

I assume some read that as me trying to lead the town to believe I'm a worse player than I am.

Eh.

There is one huge difference between my play and most others here. I've been in a lot of these situations before. I KNOW the futility of trying to fight a uninformed day one bandwagon. You're suspicious until you're either voted off and your role is revealed... OR until you're cleared in some random way...

Then, being cleared doesn't even help because questions start to arise about the validity of whatever cleared you.

I've seen the mafia win games because the town is too busy paying attention to unimportant things. The best course of action is to vote off those who seem the most "scummy". IF you voting me off day one is what helps the town best, I won't fight it.

Do I want to die? No. However, IF I am lynched, then the town can go back and look at those who have pushed it through... AND those who defended me.

Sorry to say, but it IS mafia tactics. Defend the poor jerk who's getting lynched day one. Then when he dies and is confirmed town... well you defended him... right?

I'm catching up right now. Just got home.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Nov 15, 2009 19:11:32 GMT -5 jagilki said:

OK, let me explain a few things in a way that may make more sense.

The whole suspicion of me seems to of started because I say I've played a lot of games, then said I feel I have a passing understanding of the game.

I assume some read that as me trying to lead the town to believe I'm a worse player than I am.

Eh.

There is one huge difference between my play and most others here. I've been in a lot of these situations before. I KNOW the futility of trying to fight a uninformed day one bandwagon. You're suspicious until you're either voted off and your role is revealed... OR until you're cleared in some random way...

Then, being cleared doesn't even help because questions start to arise about the validity of whatever cleared you.

I've seen the mafia win games because the town is too busy paying attention to unimportant things. The best course of action is to vote off those who seem the most "scummy". IF you voting me off day one is what helps the town best, I won't fight it.

Do I want to die? No. However, IF I am lynched, then the town can go back and look at those who have pushed it through... AND those who defended me.

Sorry to say, but it IS mafia tactics. Defend the poor jerk who's getting lynched day one. Then when he dies and is confirmed town... well you defended him... right?

I'm catching up right now. Just got home.

Thanks, that does make a lot of sense. However, I wouldn't believe mafia would be out defending you this early, and I am not just saying this because I was trying to slow down the bandwagoning, but because it is a bit of bad play. Emoticon's risen to a lot of people's suspicious list just for defending you, if he says something that can be construed as even halfway scummy I can't imagine many people being reluctant at all to make him the first lynch. Now once the bandwagon is really rolling and you start getting more than one or two votes then someone comes forward when it is more futile, that would raise a red flag.

[pegasuswarrior]

As of this very post, here is a list of post contributions up to this point in the game. This could be off by a post or two, because I quickly ran through the previous pages after the Day One write-up, so it was done a little bit haphazardly. Apologies in advance if I cheated any of you a post. I just thought this might help everyone get a visual for what's been going on and what's not been going on during Day One in term of inactivity. I figured this would be a good trend we could keep up during the game as well, and we can just use this post as a benchmark and then tally another 6 or 7 pages from now to help proctor inactivity and lurking and such. So here's an UNOFFICIAL look:

ritt -- 18

Latino Meat—9

Oblivion Sorceress -- 12

Mr Emoticon – 15

Gunslinger – 12

Sweet and Sour –4

Simply Tea—5

Jazzman--10

jagilki –8

Scruffy –2

pegasuswarrior—5

Tfmcmg—5

crudulak – 2

Curt Hawkins Fan – 2

Ravishing One – 5

Jonathan Michaels—3

Al Bundy – 11

Michael Hayden –3

Deadpool –4

Delirious-2 –2

If you see an error with your post count, speak up, and I'll repost the entire list. At least that way we can keep an accurate count. As I've said, I very well could have hit a wrong key on the keyboard or simply miscounted a post or two. I have other things I need to be doing, so I didn't get a tedious as I could have with the count.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

Thanks pegasus that is something I was implying. Lol now go and look at some of those low post counters actual content and I think some of you will find some intersting things to pick apart.

[ritt works hard fo da chickens]

EBWOP
Also you will notice quite a difference in some of them. I would have guessed you and couple others had maroe posts than that as the posts you did have seemed to have some good substance. Whereas a couple with post counts similar to yours haven't been around in pages. Or only dropped down one liners and then were out.

[pegasuswarrior]

Nov 15, 2009 22:59:30 GMT -5 ritt works hard fo da chickens said:

EBWOP
Also you will notice quite a difference in some of them. I would have guessed you and couple others had maroe posts than that as the posts you did have seemed to have some good substance. Whereas a couple with post counts similar to yours haven't been around in pages. Or only dropped down one liners and then were out.

Yeah, definitely something that needs to be stressed especially later in the game. There are some people like me and Simply Tea and Crumpets and Sweet and Sour who don't flood threads like these as much as others, but if memory serves me right, they are types that try to post content rather than just posting for the sake of posting. So, the numbers game is all relative throughout the course of the game. I'm not necessarily trying to call people out for having fewer posts than the "post-count-leader." That post count thing was just to save people the effort of having to figure out who's doing what and who's not.

And the two posters that I used with my own are just an example. I'm not trying to imply innocence or guilt or announce an affiliation with either. They are just two names that come to mind, because while they didn't post as much in the previous game as others, I felt they were quality posters. Again, I just used two names as an example from the previous game; they may end up being the biggest lurkers in the game this time around.

Speaking for myself though, I don't plan on posting 12 times a day just to keep pace with more active posters. At the same time, you can bet I'm going to keep up with the game, and that's precisely the point of the post count table to begin with: to hopefully show who is or isn't keeping up.

[D2: Sweet & Sour Edition]

Day One is just a giant crapshoot. That's why I haven't really posted much in here. I've been watching the conversation develop and honestly don't know what to think. Hopefully once we get through today, we'll be able to get a bit of a clearer view on things for the next day.

[Allison Reynolds]

Official Vote Count:

Jagiliki - 2 (Jazzman, Jonathan Michaels)
Ritt - 1 (Simply Tea and Crumpets)

Tributes not voting:
Gunslinger
Scruffy
Jagiliki
D-lirious-2
Sweet n' Sour,
Ravishing One has returned!
Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan
Oblivion Sorceress
Ritt
Curt Hawkins Fan
Latino Meat
Al Bundy
Deadpool
Pegasus Warrior
Tfmcmg
Crudulak
Michael Hayden

With 20 alive it will take 11 votes to lynch.

Deadline will be Wed, November 18th, 11:00 PM HST.

Scruffy and Tfmcmg will be prodded.

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2009 0:38:24 GMT -5 Allison Reynolds said:

Official Vote Count:

Jagiliki - 2 (Jazzman, Jonathan Michaels)
Ritt - 1 (Simply Tea and Crumpets)

Tributes not voting:
Gunslinger
Scruffy
Jagiliki
D-lirious-2
Sweet n' Sour,
Ravishing One has returned!
Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan
Jonathan Michaels: VP Of Chaos
Oblivion Sorceress
Ritt
Curt Hawkins Fan
Latino Meat
Al Bundy
Deadpool
Pegasus Warrior
Tfmcmg
Crudulak
Michael Hayden

With 20 alive it will take 11 votes to lynch.

Deadline will be Wed, November 18th, 11:00 PM HST.

Scruffy and Tfmcmg will be prodded.

sorry about taking so long i was just a bit busy.

i agree with the people saying that we need to vote just to keep the game moving as not voting seems to just stall the game a bit and make it harder to figure things out... it seems like the way to play the game is to lynch someone so by not doing that its almost like were not really playing the game... i'm not going to jump on any bandwagon at the moment as any bandwagon could simply be the mafia trying to stir the pot

[Brandon Walsh is Insane.]

I learned my lesson about making jokey posts, so I doubt I'll be casting a vote until I get more evidence or until needed.

It's nice to know that others see what I saw in Mr Emoticon Man though, and now I'm wondering if the only reason he suspects me as mafia is because I pointed out how quick he was to defend Jagilki.

It feels like putting a finger on me when all I did is point something out that bothered me, and that retaliation doesn't really help the town as a whole -- seems more personal than picking off scummy things. Which, in itself, is scummy. To me, at least.

[Tea & Crumpets]

Nov 15, 2009 17:23:06 GMT -5 ritt works hard fo da chickens said:

This being only my second game how many power roles do you think the town has? I know of investigator, doctor, vigilante, and masons? So maybe 4 or 5 and there are probably 4 mafia and maybe a third party or two. So don't we run the risk of randomly outing our own power roles as much as we do have hitting a scum. Not that I am for a no lynch but more so I am for getting more people talking so we can at least vote with some info.

That said I would rather vote for a lurker or insignificant poster than any of the people who have been pointed at so far, because lets face it a good poster who draws conversation is generally more effective than a silent power role.

If you count Masons as power roles I'd bet we can add at least 2 to the list. No real ability besides PMing each other but its still pretty handy.

And I really can't make up my mind on jag. He's now claiming defending him is scummy. I defintiely see that side of his argument, and expect a few fingers to be pointed at me or Emoticon if people take heed. To play devil's advocate it could also be looked at that he's asking people not to defend him, possibly asking both the town and the mafia to lynch him. That said I doubt he's got a Jester role.

I dunno what to make of jag but as of right now I don't think he's mafia. Not convinced he's town either, but I think if he is then he's perhaps not just a straightforward townie. He's a bit like Sweet & Sour last game, and like crudulak every game- skilled but confusing.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

Nov 16, 2009 2:04:49 GMT -5 Brandon Walsh is Insane. said:

I learned my lesson about making jokey posts, so I doubt I'll be casting a vote until I get more evidence or until needed.

It's nice to know that others see what I saw in Mr Emoticon Man though, and now I'm wondering if the only reason he suspects me as mafia is because I pointed out how quick he was to defend Jagilki.

It feels like putting a finger on me when all I did is point something out that bothered me, and that retaliation doesn't really help the town as a whole -- seems more personal than picking off scummy things. Which, in itself, is scummy. To me, at least.

That'd hold more weight if my post that pointed out your odd behavior didn't contain evidence that had nothing to do with me. Namely, how you threw suspicion not only on me, but on several others who didn't really do anything, either. THAT is what caught my attention, not you going after me in particular.

And I'm not even sure you're Mafia. Like I said... you could just be a jittery Townie, seeing monsters in every shadow.

[Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan]

EBWOP

And Tea, I don't think you have much to worry about in regards to jag's last post. People seem to have latched onto me more than they have you. Which is fine, so long as they remember this: if they lynch jag and he's not Mafia, and then they lynch me and see that I'm not Mafia, it might behoove everyone to remember who pushed for both lynches.