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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 5, 2009 17:32:06 GMT -5
YEah not only is the Main event stale, but really the only matchup is either him against Cena or HHH. So what other main event heel do you have on RAW, that you could buy as a threat? Swagger or Miz? Big Show's doing the Tag Titles and when Him and Y2J split, he's on Smackdown/ Big Show is a Raw guy. Jericho is a smackdown guy. |
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Post by Jay Carroll on Oct 5, 2009 17:35:30 GMT -5
The trouble is he's said he deliberately makes his matches more boring, if the crowd are hating the chinlocks he does them for longer, he doesn't want to give people anything to cheer (source at the bottom). Although I understand it's meant to make people want to see him beaten it just results in me not even watch his matches unless I'm into the storyline, it definitely doesn't make me want to pay to see him. Another problem that might not be his fault is that his recent matches have featured lost of lulls while one of the wrestlers are recovering from offense that wasn't that strong. www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/article1564179.eceThat is true. WWE traditionally makes the heels deliberately wrestle a more boring style to better insure that they will be disliked and booed. You will especially notice this when a high flying face turns heel. Suddenly most of their exciting moves vanish from their repertoire, barring their finisher if its a top rope maneuver. That's not just WWE, that's any intelligent wrestler/wrestling fed anywhere. Point taken, however. Orton isn't the problem. Cutting his balls from underneath of him whenever he gets over for anything besides being a chicken-crap heel is. The worst that could happen is that a full on Orton face turn is prompted by the audience, but even that would take a long time. However, as soon as he got pops for trying to destroy the McMahon clan (which is a FACE thing to do, btw), the panic switch got flipped and they had to make Blandy Boreton appear out of thin air. Give Orton an actually credible stable. Give him an opponent that doesn't make him look stupid at every turn. Give him something to work with, and he can actually do something. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 17:46:34 GMT -5
That is true. WWE traditionally makes the heels deliberately wrestle a more boring style to better insure that they will be disliked and booed. You will especially notice this when a high flying face turns heel. Suddenly most of their exciting moves vanish from their repertoire, barring their finisher if its a top rope maneuver. That's not just WWE, that's any intelligent wrestler/wrestling fed anywhere. Point taken, however. Orton isn't the problem. Cutting his balls from underneath of him whenever he gets over for anything besides being a chicken-crap heel is. The worst that could happen is that a full on Orton face turn is prompted by the audience, but even that would take a long time. However, as soon as he got pops for trying to destroy the McMahon clan (which is a FACE thing to do, btw), the panic switch got flipped and they had to make Blandy Boreton appear out of thin air. Give Orton an actually credible stable. Give him an opponent that doesn't make him look stupid at every turn. Give him something to work with, and he can actually do something. Eh. ECW didn't do that. Neither did WCW. Just because you are a heel doesn't mean you need to be boring. I dont see why a heel getting a couple cheers or mini pops off a move or spot is that big of a deal. As long as he is booked well enough the crowd will still dislike him regardless of his ringwork. I just think its a lazy way of making the crowd dislike someone. "Okay, give him a long boring entrance, do lots of restholds and no high spots!" |
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 5, 2009 17:52:23 GMT -5
That's not just WWE, that's any intelligent wrestler/wrestling fed anywhere. Point taken, however. Orton isn't the problem. Cutting his balls from underneath of him whenever he gets over for anything besides being a chicken-crap heel is. The worst that could happen is that a full on Orton face turn is prompted by the audience, but even that would take a long time. However, as soon as he got pops for trying to destroy the McMahon clan (which is a FACE thing to do, btw), the panic switch got flipped and they had to make Blandy Boreton appear out of thin air. Give Orton an actually credible stable. Give him an opponent that doesn't make him look stupid at every turn. Give him something to work with, and he can actually do something. Eh. ECW didn't do that. Neither did WCW. Just because you are a heel doesn't mean you need to be boring. I dont see why a heel getting a couple cheers or mini pops off a move or spot is that big of a deal. As long as he is booked well enough the crowd will still dislike him regardless of his ringwork. I just think its a lazy way of making the crowd dislike someone. "Okay, give him a long boring entrance, do lots of restholds and no high spots!" I think it's OK to make a new heel less flashy but not boring. For example the Dudleyz stopped the crowd interaction parts of their matches by not saying "get the tables" or "wassup" but they still had good matches. |
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Post by romafan87 on Oct 5, 2009 17:55:21 GMT -5
He needs a new twist and some new opponents.
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Post by ginohernandez on Oct 5, 2009 18:00:20 GMT -5
Orton is horrible, boring. Worst thing about him is that you just don't care about him.
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Post by MGH on Oct 5, 2009 18:00:33 GMT -5
He needs a new twist and some new opponents. New opponents more than anything. His matches with Ted and Primo were really good and felt fresh. They weren't stalking, methodical Orton. He was athletic, going back and forth, just really fun. He needs more of that. Things Triple H and Cena aren't going to give him. |
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Post by Faces rule! on Oct 5, 2009 22:51:56 GMT -5
Orton's not the problem. Monotony is the problem
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 5, 2009 23:07:32 GMT -5
Orton's not the problem. Monotony is the problem Indeed. Like someone said, Orton's a symptom, not the whole disease. It's not the RKO boil on the WWE body that's the root problem, it's the tedious, sometimes nonsensical, and just overall boring nature that's well down in its marrow that's the real issue. At least for me. But then I haven't watched a full episode of any show ( we're talkin ten-twenty minutes tops when I do tune in before I bail outta just boredom) in nigh a month or more. |
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Post by taylorandborland on Oct 6, 2009 0:24:09 GMT -5
Can't blame the booking. Most WWE heels are booked poorly and still manage.
If Orton was so good, he'd be able to transcend it. Chris Jericho did. He was picking up Stephanie's dog's shit, getting squashed by HHH regularly, feuding with Christian, and he still got better heat/had more cred than Orton does now.
Booking ain't got nothing to do with Orton's promo delivery sounding like Apache Chief on Superfriends. Or his apparent bet with the Undertaker on who can make the slowest-ass entrance in wrestling history. That's all him.
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Post by AriadosMan on Oct 6, 2009 0:27:51 GMT -5
Can't blame the booking. Most WWE heels are booked poorly and still manage. If Orton was so good, he'd be able to transcend it. Chris Jericho did. He was picking up Stephanie's dog's s***, getting squashed by HHH regularly, feuding with Christian, and he still got better heat/had more cred than Orton does now. Booking ain't got nothing to do with Orton's promo delivery sounding like Apache Chief on Superfriends. Or his apparent bet with the Undertaker on who can make the slowest-ass entrance in wrestling history. That's all him. Apache Chief! That's what he needs to be booked as to stay fresh! Put feathers in his hair and have him yell INGNAKCHUK!!! |
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Post by taylorandborland on Oct 6, 2009 0:31:42 GMT -5
Orton yells EEEEEENUCH CHUCK!, runs under the ring, and then Kane comes out the other side dressed like Orton--
--yeah, that means we get Kane in a speedo. Forget I said anything.
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