Jericho and Triple H: Rumination Thread

[Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift]

Someone in another thread commented that they "didn't understand the obsession with Jericho beating Triple H," citing it as okay, and as being an example of establishing that one guy is simply superior to another.

I was wondering about this, because I've always wanted Jericho to snap and destroy Triple H as well. I think it has something to do with the fact that I think of modern, SRS Jericho as Cena or .1% under Cena level, and the guy has spent nearly his entire career, both in ring and in storyline, as Triple H's bitch.

I'd like to hear the board's thoughts on this.

[Dub H]

I think it started when he took the Undisputed Title from Jericho

[The Tank]

It would be nice to see Jericho and HHH go one on one with Jericho getting the win, but it's not that big of a deal, IMO.

Chris Jericho's still gold these days, and after all the buildup they've given him, not even a Triple H burial could ruin that.

[MGH]

The thought of DX winning the tag belts and being eligible for every brand any week is enough to make my skin crawl.

That and Triple H beating Jericho ... again.

[Prince Petty]

I don't know enough about their relationship behind the scenes to buy into the theory that Jericho has been held back by Triple H.

Certainly, Jericho has spent plenty of time being screwed over in storylines with Triple H, and I know that Jericho has been on record in the past, saying that even when he was the champion, he didn't really feel like he was getting the respect he deserved.

Jericho did have a great, antagonistic chemistry with Stephanie for a long time, so that would naturally have placed him in programmes with Triple H. He never came out of them looking good, but that was par for the course during the 'Facsheem' period. No one got to look good against Triple H.

[Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture]

When Y2J debuted and was getting massive attention, I think it spooked Triple H, TBH. Here's a WCW guy that people were behind, but was overlooked by the office and kept out of the limelight by Hogan and his cronies. He's talented, he's a world-trained ring veteran, and he has boatloads of charisma and talking ability.

in 1999/2000, Triple H just arrived at the ME scene, and probably was frightened that a guy jumping ship would possibly endanger that. And all evidence of that possibly happening could be seen when Jericho interrupted the Rock mid-promo and people went nuts.

Never mind that Trips was himself a WCW castoff, or that he would benefit from working with a star who was quickly catching fire. It was his spot, dammit, and no one else would take it. Not Jericho, not Booker T, not Steiner, not RVD, nobody.

[Psychoblue]

Jericho back then was no where near as good as Jericho is now. Back then, however, it was either going to be Triple H or Jericho, and it wound up being the Game, which set him up as the ultimate fiend for years.

Could Jericho have possibly become that ultimate fiend that he is now? Back then, I don't think so.

[Tapout]

Who cares?

Jericho is a multi-time world champ, first ever undisputed, makes tons of money, and is most likely happy to be back wrestling. He also understands wrestling is a work and most likely isn't a "Big" Dave Batista-like belt/title shot mark and is probably glad to be doing what he loves while providing financial security for his family.

Trips, by all indications, seems like he's pretty much the successor to the company and will do what's best for the business, including continuing to pay Jericho a big fat paycheck to stay with the company as long as Jericho has something worth offering.

[Threadkiller [Classic]]

DX won't win the tag belts, if for no other reason than Shawn, because of Bible group, can't work Tuesdays. Sure, they can make video packages and whatnot, but HHH doesn't strike me as someone who'd want to work Tuesdays if he didn't have to anyway. Hey, if they do win the tag belts, I see them keeping whatever feud they have exclusive to Raw. Or I could see them transitioning the straps to Legacy (since it seemingly hasn't occurred to anyone on Creative to have the WWE champion and the Unified Tag Champs all in the same stable - Legacy and Randy Orton never seem to hold titles at the same time, but now would be as good a time as any to start).

[Deleted]

Usually I'm all for Jericho beating Trips, but as far as it extends to the tag titles I have rooted against Jericho & Show in every defense they've had, and short of defending against the Harts that will continue.

[Corporate H]

I think at this point Jericho is on the same plateau as Triple H, hell, he was holding RAW up for awhile in the main event.

[Bubble Lead]

I really hate when someone complains about something like this and then someone comes in and says:

WHO CARES?

I mean...maybe Jericho fans care. Maybe they get sick of seeing Triple H own Jericho everytime.

I know, I know...its just wrestling, its a fake sport, etc. yet still, everyone has their favorites.

Also, I dont see whats wrong with establishing one guy as superior to the other when its midcard vs. main eventer, but when its two main eventers YES, there is a problem. Two ME guys should be somewhat equal. There should be some doubt as to the outcome when they face each other. EG. HBK vs. Jericho. Anytime they wrestle you arent sure who is going to win. It makes things, you know...more exciting, more interesting? It makes you want to watch.

[spagett]

Oct 6, 2009 13:38:24 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

I really hate when someone complains about something like this and then someone comes in and says:

WHO CARES?

I mean...maybe Jericho fans care. Maybe they get sick of seeing Triple H own Jericho everytime.

I know, I know...its just wrestling, its a fake sport, etc. yet still, everyone has their favorites.

Also, I dont see whats wrong with establishing one guy as superior to the other when its midcard vs. main eventer, but when its two main eventers YES, there is a problem. Two ME guys should be somewhat equal. There should be some doubt as to the outcome when they face each other. EG. HBK vs. Jericho. Anytime they wrestle you arent sure who is going to win. It makes things, you know...more exciting, more interesting? It makes you want to watch.

Great post and I agree completely.

I am suprised Jericho managed to last almost 2 years without getting pinned by HHH since his return. It was a pretty good run.

So HHH has taken the Undisputed Title and the IC Title off Jericho so I suppose it is only right he gets the Tag Title too to complete the set.

[MGH]

Oct 6, 2009 13:38:24 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

I really hate when someone complains about something like this and then someone comes in and says:

WHO CARES?

I mean...maybe Jericho fans care. Maybe they get sick of seeing Triple H own Jericho everytime.

I know, I know...its just wrestling, its a fake sport, etc. yet still, everyone has their favorites.

Also, I dont see whats wrong with establishing one guy as superior to the other when its midcard vs. main eventer, but when its two main eventers YES, there is a problem. Two ME guys should be somewhat equal. There should be some doubt as to the outcome when they face each other. EG. HBK vs. Jericho. Anytime they wrestle you arent sure who is going to win. It makes things, you know...more exciting, more interesting? It makes you want to watch.

Excellent post.

It isn't always as smarky and deep as sensible booking and arguing rubs and pushes. Sometimes you just want to see your favorites beat someone you don't care for. When it NEVER happens, it can be a tad frustrating to say the least.

[Bo Rida]

I like it when one of the companies top wrestlers have that one opponent they struggle to beat, it can lead to some interesting storylines, I'm not sure this example will ever go anywhere but still.

Eddie had it with Rey, Undertaker had it with Mankind and it looks like Punk may be starting that with Morrison (I may be wrong on the last two though).

[Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture]

Oct 6, 2009 13:44:18 GMT -5 Bo Rida said:

I like it when one of the companies top wrestlers have that one opponent they struggle to beat, it can lead to some interesting storylines, I'm not sure this example will ever go anywhere but still.

Eddie had it with Rey, Undertaker had it with Mankind and it looks like Punk may be starting that with Morrison (I may be wrong on the last two though).

Those examples are fine, however, it never seemed like HHH struggled with pinning Jericho.

[spagett]

Got to 1 min 30 to see that even Jericho himself knows what happens when he has to face Triple H.

Larry King: "Okay Triple H, go out there for twenty minutes and you will defeat him (points to Jericho). That's all you know."

HHH: "Right."

Jericho: "That's usually how it goes."

[Tapout]

Oct 6, 2009 13:46:55 GMT -5 spagett said:

Got to 1 min 30 to see that even Jericho himself knows what happens when he has to face Triple H.

Larry King: "Okay Triple H, go out there for twenty minutes and you will defeat him (points to Jericho). That's all you know."

HHH: "Right."

Jericho: "That's usually how it goes."

The most important thing to point out about this conversation is how all 3 men laugh about it, loudly. All 3. Because they know what the business is, and they know that in the end, it's business. Not personal.

[Psychoblue]

Good find on the video: seems very interesting.

[vanboxmeer]

Oct 6, 2009 13:57:04 GMT -5 Tapout said:

Oct 6, 2009 13:46:55 GMT -5 spagett said:

Got to 1 min 30 to see that even Jericho himself knows what happens when he has to face Triple H.

Larry King: "Okay Triple H, go out there for twenty minutes and you will defeat him (points to Jericho). That's all you know."

HHH: "Right."

Jericho: "That's usually how it goes."

The most important thing to point out about this conversation is how all 3 men laugh about it, loudly. All 3. Because they know what the business is, and they know that in the end, it's business. Not personal.

"But, but Triple was giving a fake, condescending laugh~!"