Jericho and Triple H: Rumination Thread

[Hiroshi Hase]

Oct 6, 2009 19:13:53 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

It doesnt have to be even. Not even close. It just shouldn't be completely predictable.

You say why does it need to be even, I counter with why does Triple H need to win every single time? Why can there not be at least some doubt as to the outcome?

Because the storyline feud usually calls for him to win? I dunno. Personally I don't mind as I never gave it too much thought. Sometimes there are just some guys that you can't beat.

[TheJaredAnderson]

HHH/Jericho = Hogan/Savage


Both great but one always has the slight advantage over the other. Its a show, the greatest show ever created, and I accept that.

[Bubble Lead]

Oct 7, 2009 0:37:27 GMT -5 TheJaredAnderson said:

HHH/Jericho = Hogan/Savage


Both great but one always has the slight advantage over the other. Its a show, the greatest show ever created, and I accept that.

Slight advantage?

Savage to my recollection never defeated Hulk Hogan, ever. Maybe by DQ or something but he never pinned him.

Jericho has beaten HHH one time according to this thread, and I cant even remember it since it was on some long ago SD episode.

That isnt a slight advantage. Thats one sided.

[Hiroshi Hase]

Oct 7, 2009 0:48:52 GMT -5 Bubble Lead said:

Oct 7, 2009 0:37:27 GMT -5 TheJaredAnderson said:

HHH/Jericho = Hogan/Savage


Both great but one always has the slight advantage over the other. Its a show, the greatest show ever created, and I accept that.

Slight advantage?

Savage to my recollection never defeated Hulk Hogan, ever. Maybe by DQ or something but he never pinned him.

Jericho has beaten HHH one time according to this thread, and I cant even remember it since it was on some long ago SD episode.

That isnt a slight advantage. Thats one sided.

That's the way it goes, some guys you can beat and some guys are better than you.

[King Boo]

Oct 6, 2009 18:50:29 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

There are several things I'd love to see WWE do, but to them my opinion doesn't matter and I'm ok with that. I don't wallow in my anger over it as it's just a show to me, nothing more. As long as the masses have the final say and pay for the shows/attendance, my opinion doesn't mean much to Vince and that's just how it is. He's not going to lose sleep because a Jericho fan is upset that he never got the clean pin over HHH.

Who said I sit and lose sleep? Or that I expect things to be booked according to my liking? You're assuming because I simply told my view on the subject - AS WAS ASKED - that I'm some cry baby who takes everything too seriously. Your constant reminders - to use a kinder word - that anyone who might - GASP - care to see something turn out a different way every once in a while, don't need to be directed to me. I'm not a child and I certainly don't need someone repeatedly informing me that "I don't matter." Guess what? My money and time is as good as anyone else's so I'm gonna go with yes, my opinion matters also. I learned long ago - AKA when I was a little kid and my parents taught me so - that I'm not always going to get what I want. That doesn't mean I can't still want to see something or that I shouldn't have an opinion. I'm not a robot.

The reason MGH probably mentioned you is because without fail, you are the one person to come in and completely shoot down someone's opinion by telling them it doesn't matter because it "doesn't fit with the masses." Not only do I not care if my opinion "fits with the masses" but I also do not like you telling me it doesn't matter. I don't come in here and tell you that your redundant opinion of slapping down anyone who might have a different view on ANYTHING doesn't matter, do I? How are we supposed to have any kind of adult discussion when this is constantly getting thrown at us?

And since when just because "we can't change" anything are we supposed to be silent?


To reiterate and be CRYSTAL clear:

- My favorite wrestler is Chris Jericho.
- Every once in a blue moon, I think it would be nice to NOT see the outcome of their encounters coming from a mile away.
- I also do not want to pay money for this.
- I ALSO do not lose sleep, whine or cry about this, but I will say how I feel when asked.
- I realized a long time ago that the world does not revolve around me and thus do not expect miracles, but that is not going to stop me from saying what I think.

[Hiroshi Hase]

Oct 7, 2009 12:19:09 GMT -5 King Boo said:

Oct 6, 2009 18:50:29 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

There are several things I'd love to see WWE do, but to them my opinion doesn't matter and I'm ok with that. I don't wallow in my anger over it as it's just a show to me, nothing more. As long as the masses have the final say and pay for the shows/attendance, my opinion doesn't mean much to Vince and that's just how it is. He's not going to lose sleep because a Jericho fan is upset that he never got the clean pin over HHH.

Who said I sit and lose sleep? Or that I expect things to be booked according to my liking? You're assuming because I simply told my view on the subject - AS WAS ASKED - that I'm some cry baby who takes everything too seriously. Your constant reminders - to use a kinder word - that anyone who might - GASP - care to see something turn out a different way every once in a while, don't need to be directed to me. I'm not a child and I certainly don't need someone repeatedly informing me that "I don't matter." Guess what? My money and time is as good as anyone else's so I'm gonna go with yes, my opinion matters also. I learned long ago - AKA when I was a little kid and my parents taught me so - that I'm not always going to get what I want. That doesn't mean I can't still want to see something or that I shouldn't have an opinion. I'm not a robot.

The reason MGH probably mentioned you is because without fail, you are the one person to come in and completely shoot down someone's opinion by telling them it doesn't matter because it "doesn't fit with the masses." Not only do I not care if my opinion "fits with the masses" but I also do not like you telling me it doesn't matter. I don't come in here and tell you that your redundant opinion of slapping down anyone who might have a different view on ANYTHING doesn't matter, do I? How are we supposed to have any kind of adult discussion when this is constantly getting thrown at us?

And since when just because "we can't change" anything are we supposed to be silent?


To reiterate and be CRYSTAL clear:

- My favorite wrestler is Chris Jericho.
- Every once in a blue moon, I think it would be nice to NOT see the outcome of their encounters coming from a mile away.
- I also do not want to pay money for this.
- I ALSO do not lose sleep, whine or cry about this, but I will say how I feel when asked.
- I realized a long time ago that the world does not revolve around me and thus do not expect miracles, but that is not going to stop me from saying what I think.

I'll be more than happy to answer your first question with a question? Where did I say that you-GASP were the one who was losing sleep? I was referring to Vince.

By all means, complain, vent, do what you feel. That's your right and perogative. I never said to anyone that they can't express themselves here, not even once.

I don't see it as shooting down anyone's opinion personally. If the person wants to see Jericho beat HHH a hundred times in a row, good for them. I'm only saying that in the grand scheme of things, that's low on the list of priorities for Vince to worry about who has more wins over whom.

Just as you've got the right to express yourself, so have I. It seems that by doing this, I've made some people angry, but so be it.

["Magic" Mark Hurr]

CAT FIGHT!!!! /joey styles

[King Boo]

Oct 7, 2009 12:53:06 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oct 7, 2009 12:19:09 GMT -5 King Boo said:

Who said I sit and lose sleep? Or that I expect things to be booked according to my liking? You're assuming because I simply told my view on the subject - AS WAS ASKED - that I'm some cry baby who takes everything too seriously. Your constant reminders - to use a kinder word - that anyone who might - GASP - care to see something turn out a different way every once in a while, don't need to be directed to me. I'm not a child and I certainly don't need someone repeatedly informing me that "I don't matter." Guess what? My money and time is as good as anyone else's so I'm gonna go with yes, my opinion matters also. I learned long ago - AKA when I was a little kid and my parents taught me so - that I'm not always going to get what I want. That doesn't mean I can't still want to see something or that I shouldn't have an opinion. I'm not a robot.

The reason MGH probably mentioned you is because without fail, you are the one person to come in and completely shoot down someone's opinion by telling them it doesn't matter because it "doesn't fit with the masses." Not only do I not care if my opinion "fits with the masses" but I also do not like you telling me it doesn't matter. I don't come in here and tell you that your redundant opinion of slapping down anyone who might have a different view on ANYTHING doesn't matter, do I? How are we supposed to have any kind of adult discussion when this is constantly getting thrown at us?

And since when just because "we can't change" anything are we supposed to be silent?


To reiterate and be CRYSTAL clear:

- My favorite wrestler is Chris Jericho.
- Every once in a blue moon, I think it would be nice to NOT see the outcome of their encounters coming from a mile away.
- I also do not want to pay money for this.
- I ALSO do not lose sleep, whine or cry about this, but I will say how I feel when asked.
- I realized a long time ago that the world does not revolve around me and thus do not expect miracles, but that is not going to stop me from saying what I think.

I'll be more than happy to answer your first question with a question? Where did I say that you were the one who was losing sleep? I was referring to Vince.

By all means, complain, vent, do what you feel. That's your right and perogative. I never said to anyone that they can't express themselves here, not even once.

I don't see it as shooting down anyone's opinion personally. If the person wants to see Jericho beat HHH a hundred times in a row, good for them. I'm only saying that in the grand scheme of things, that's low on the list of priorities for Vince to worry about who has more wins over whom.

Just as you've got the right to express yourself, so have I. It seems that by doing this, I've made some people angry, but so be it.

Okay, fine, I don't "wallow in my anger" over it either. Better? You know my point exactly, you know exactly what you're trying to convey and the tone you use. Whether you say something like "wallow in anger" or "lose sleep" or "cry in my cheerios" or WHATEVER isn't the point and you know that. The best part? You use the argument SO MUCH, it isn't even correct in some instances. You once said to me not to take things too seriously when I was talking about how much I loved something ridiculous. You didn't even bother to see my point, you immediately told me I was taking everything too seriously.

You argue a matter of semantics - "I never said someone can't express themselves here" - no, you never said THOSE WORDS but your constant bombardment of "you're a minority, Vince doesn't care what you think blah blah BLAH" clearly conveys the exact words you conveniently didn't use. You don't have to use words to get your point across and you know it - you do it like an art form. I'm not a moron or a child so that argument isn't going to work on me.

Yes, you have a right to express yourself but when expressing yourself is passively aggressively telling/implying people over and over that they don't matter - even when that has nothing to do with anything - that's going to get people to express themselves back. I, for one, don't need to be put in my place.

[Hiroshi Hase]

Oct 7, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5 King Boo said:

Oct 7, 2009 12:53:06 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

I'll be more than happy to answer your first question with a question? Where did I say that you were the one who was losing sleep? I was referring to Vince.

By all means, complain, vent, do what you feel. That's your right and perogative. I never said to anyone that they can't express themselves here, not even once.

I don't see it as shooting down anyone's opinion personally. If the person wants to see Jericho beat HHH a hundred times in a row, good for them. I'm only saying that in the grand scheme of things, that's low on the list of priorities for Vince to worry about who has more wins over whom.

Just as you've got the right to express yourself, so have I. It seems that by doing this, I've made some people angry, but so be it.

Okay, fine, I don't "wallow in my anger" over it either. Better? You know my point exactly, you know exactly what you're trying to convey and the tone you use. Whether you say something like "wallow in anger" or "lose sleep" or "cry in my cheerios" or WHATEVER isn't the point and you know that. The best part? You use the argument SO MUCH, it isn't even correct in some instances. You once said to me not to take things too seriously when I was talking about how much I loved something ridiculous. You didn't even bother to see my point, you immediately told me I was taking everything too seriously.

You argue a matter of semantics - "I never said someone can't express themselves here" - no, you never said THOSE WORDS but your constant bombardment of "you're a minority, Vince doesn't care what you think blah blah BLAH" clearly conveys the exact words you conveniently didn't use. You don't have to use words to get your point across and you know it - you do it like an art form. I'm not a moron or a child so that argument isn't going to work on me.

Yes, you have a right to express yourself but when expressing yourself is passively aggressively telling/implying people over and over that they don't matter - even when that has nothing to do with anything - that's going to get people to express themselves back. I, for one, don't need to be put in my place.

I disagree, I don't see anything wrong with the phrases you put in quotes personally though I've never used the cheerio bit, I might do that in future, thanks ;D

What point were you referring to that you say I didn't see? I'd love to hear what it was.

I also disagree about the "bombardment" or my tone as you put it. I've discussed the topic in this thread without even having to bring up that Vince isn't concerned about the minority. Everyone has someone in wrestling they get the better of in numerous bouts. More recently, I've noticed that Punk rarely has any wins over Jericho. That's just how wrestling is.

There are things in WWE right now that I wish were different, but as a minority I know it doesn't matter what I think to the people in Titan Towers. They're more worried about the kids in the crowd with the Cena/DX merch on.

I don't see myself as putting anyone in their place, but if it sounded that way, I'm more than happy to apologize.

And I know some may "bombard" me for this, but it seems some forget that they're not the target audience for Vince and expect everything to be catered to them. Having been on this forum for years I've noticed that all too well.

[King Boo]

Oct 7, 2009 13:14:40 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oct 7, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5 King Boo said:

Okay, fine, I don't "wallow in my anger" over it either. Better? You know my point exactly, you know exactly what you're trying to convey and the tone you use. Whether you say something like "wallow in anger" or "lose sleep" or "cry in my cheerios" or WHATEVER isn't the point and you know that. The best part? You use the argument SO MUCH, it isn't even correct in some instances. You once said to me not to take things too seriously when I was talking about how much I loved something ridiculous. You didn't even bother to see my point, you immediately told me I was taking everything too seriously.

You argue a matter of semantics - "I never said someone can't express themselves here" - no, you never said THOSE WORDS but your constant bombardment of "you're a minority, Vince doesn't care what you think blah blah BLAH" clearly conveys the exact words you conveniently didn't use. You don't have to use words to get your point across and you know it - you do it like an art form. I'm not a moron or a child so that argument isn't going to work on me.

Yes, you have a right to express yourself but when expressing yourself is passively aggressively telling/implying people over and over that they don't matter - even when that has nothing to do with anything - that's going to get people to express themselves back. I, for one, don't need to be put in my place.

I disagree, I don't see anything wrong with the phrases you put in quotes personally though I've never used the cheerio bit, I might do that in future, thanks ;D

What point were you referring to that you say I didn't see? I'd love to hear what it was.

I also disagree about the "bombardment" or my tone as you put it. I've discussed the topic in this thread without even having to bring up that Vince isn't concerned about the minority. Everyone has someone in wrestling they get the better of in numerous bouts. More recently, I've noticed that Punk rarely has any wins over Jericho. That's just how wrestling is.

I don't see myself as putting anyone in their place, but if it sounded that way, I'm more than happy to apologize.

And I know some may "bombard" me for this, but it seems some forget that they're not the target audience for Vince and expect everything to be catered to them. Having been on this forum for years I've noticed that all too well.

The Hogan promo from Wrestlemania IV. A few of us were talking about it and I posted it, kidding around about it and you told me not to take it so seriously. That was the LAST thing I was doing, but you say that so much, you didn't even notice.

You didn't have to "bring up" Vince and the minority because all you had to do was quote what others were talking about an willingly include yourself in feeling that way. Again, semantics.

You can say what you want about "how wrestling is" until the cows come home and I can say that in this instance, I don't like it until the cows come home. You don't need to "remind" me where I supposedly fall into everything. You're not Vince, you don't have to tell me my preferences are "wrong" for his business.

And your last paragraph encapsulates EXACTLY what I'm talking about with you in a nutshell.

[spagett]

Oct 7, 2009 13:14:40 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

Oct 7, 2009 13:06:51 GMT -5 King Boo said:

Okay, fine, I don't "wallow in my anger" over it either. Better? You know my point exactly, you know exactly what you're trying to convey and the tone you use. Whether you say something like "wallow in anger" or "lose sleep" or "cry in my cheerios" or WHATEVER isn't the point and you know that. The best part? You use the argument SO MUCH, it isn't even correct in some instances. You once said to me not to take things too seriously when I was talking about how much I loved something ridiculous. You didn't even bother to see my point, you immediately told me I was taking everything too seriously.

You argue a matter of semantics - "I never said someone can't express themselves here" - no, you never said THOSE WORDS but your constant bombardment of "you're a minority, Vince doesn't care what you think blah blah BLAH" clearly conveys the exact words you conveniently didn't use. You don't have to use words to get your point across and you know it - you do it like an art form. I'm not a moron or a child so that argument isn't going to work on me.

Yes, you have a right to express yourself but when expressing yourself is passively aggressively telling/implying people over and over that they don't matter - even when that has nothing to do with anything - that's going to get people to express themselves back. I, for one, don't need to be put in my place.

I disagree, I don't see anything wrong with the phrases you put in quotes personally though I've never used the cheerio bit, I might do that in future, thanks ;D

What point were you referring to that you say I didn't see? I'd love to hear what it was.

I also disagree about the "bombardment" or my tone as you put it. I've discussed the topic in this thread without even having to bring up that Vince isn't concerned about the minority. Everyone has someone in wrestling they get the better of in numerous bouts. More recently, I've noticed that Punk rarely has any wins over Jericho. That's just how wrestling is.

There are things in WWE right now that I wish were different, but as a minority I know it doesn't matter what I think to the people in Titan Towers. They're more worried about the kids in the crowd with the Cena/DX merch on.

I don't see myself as putting anyone in their place, but if it sounded that way, I'm more than happy to apologize.

And I know some may "bombard" me for this, but it seems some forget that they're not the target audience for Vince and expect everything to be catered to them. Having been on this forum for years I've noticed that all too well.

To be fair Hiroshi has been no where near as annoying with his "Your opinion doesn't matter" schtick recently.

We don't have to like it but some things are certain in life.

Triple H will always beats Jericho.
Hiroshi will always tell us our opinions don't matter.

[SAJ Forth]

If they win them, I get the feeling it won't be a long reign.

[MGH]

Oct 7, 2009 13:14:40 GMT -5 Hiroshi Hase said:

I don't see myself as putting anyone in their place, but if it sounded that way, I'm more than happy to apologize.

And I know some may "bombard" me for this, but it seems some forget that they're not the target audience for Vince and expect everything to be catered to them. Having been on this forum for years I've noticed that all too well.

You flat out said to me once in (w)rest, and if you wonder why I have such a problem with your attitude it started from this, that "people here need to be put in their place and that's why I'm going to keep saying these things." Think about that for a second and see how that comes off in your head. How you'd take someone telling you that since you didn't like something a wrestling company was doing that you should be put in your place over it. Most people come here to this board to post and have a fun time. Just because the vocal minority choose to try and make this place a black hole of negativity doesn't change that. They don't come here to have a grown man sit at their computer and "put them in their place" over and over again, then say "I'm going to say what I say and best I can tell you is deal with it."

And again on the vocal minority, yeah, some people here can't get over Vince not putting Super Crazy over Batista. Those types are in every walk of life when it comes to fans, but they are that, a MINORITY. Yet you see incapable of making three posts in succession on this section of this board without one of the following phrases attached:

"You can not like it all you want, but Vince isn't targeting you."

"Crowd popped, all that matters."

"So what if you wish it was different? He draws/sells, that's what matters."

"*random quote about being a minority here*".

And this isn't just to that select minority. These are good posters. People who watch and enjoy a show, don't like one thing, then have to have you swing down their throats bombarding them with the fact that their likes and dislikes hold no merit and don't matter at all. And yes, your insistence to continuously post those same things over and over and over and over and over IS a bombardment, and it's led to all the complaints that have been received from other posters here about you over a number of months.

This is why I gave you that public warning a month or so back, and why I have to sit here and do it again. You aren't understanding the problem of what you're doing. To answer your question from the last page, no, I have nothing against you personally. But when you're the poster boy for some of the rude comments and questionable behavior here, again, enough to have posters send legitimate complaints, you need to rethink what you're doing here.

Now on that note I'm locking this thread. Hiroshi, if you wish to continue this conversation via PM I'd be more than happy to.