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Post by Gerard Gerard on Oct 30, 2009 9:07:36 GMT -5
does anyone know for sure what kind of ratings celebrity championship wrestling and hogan knows best drew? from what i've read the highest was in the low 1's, could be wrong but isn't that sort of indicative of
how much appeal Hogan has to a mainstream audience? excluding those who are already viewers of TNA.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 9:24:17 GMT -5
How about WWE focus on fixing all the problems they have first?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 9:38:14 GMT -5
does anyone know for sure what kind of ratings celebrity championship wrestling and hogan knows best drew? from what i've read the highest was in the low 1's, could be wrong but isn't that sort of indicative of how much appeal Hogan has to a mainstream audience? excluding those who are already viewers of TNA. Those are a little different, since those were more reality shows trying to sell on Hogan's name rather than a wrestling company trying to sell wrestling with it. Still, Hogan will not help TNAs ratings. If getting Angle just months after he main-evented WrestleMania didn't do it, a washed up Hogan won't. |
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Post by boomhauer20055 on Oct 30, 2009 9:40:05 GMT -5
Only if TNA runs against them on Monday
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Oct 30, 2009 9:40:32 GMT -5
Well, do they? Would they need to pull out the shock of all shocks like maybe getting Sting to sign a contact with them for the attention to be shifted back onto them? No. Or they could hire Jim Warrior to "shake the foundation of wrestling today" when he has everyone in the company wear warrior face paint wherever they go. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 9:48:34 GMT -5
Only if TNA runs against them on Monday If TNA were to move to Mondays even with Hogan, they'd be dead in about two months. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 30, 2009 10:42:52 GMT -5
I think you overestimate the immediate impact of Hogan in TNA. It's something to keep an eye on, it's NOT something to push the Big Red Button over yet. Believe it or not, most things take time to develop. It may be something that WWE need to watch out for much like WWF should have watched out for WCW signing Hogan in 1994.It took over two years, a heel turn,a new show and a 'hostile takeover' among other things. Before Hogans impact on WCW was fully felt by WWF and wrestling fans worldwide. TNA keeps moving from strength to strength where as WWE keeps getting worse as times goes on and turning into more of a joke. I think those who say that it will take TNA years to be on the same level as WWE. Were either not watching during the Attitude Era or to young to remember the Attitude Era and WCW. WCW were a relative small company who had not ever turned a profit. Before 1996. Then all of a sudden they were the biggest wrestling company on the planet and WWF were left wondering what the hell happened. Ratings shot up as did buy rates and attendacne. Every star and every improvement TNA make to there program is just another step to WCW happening all over again. TNA for most of this year has been far better than WWE. Also were not i n the middle of a boom and wrestling is not considered 'cool in the mainstream; therefor the rating will still be low. However there is still no wrestler with a bigger crossover appeal who can draw fans in or like Hogan. The Monday Night Wars would not happen again simply because of modern day technology and fans can watch two shows (multiple times in the week) without having to choose the 'if TNA went head to head with WWE in a Monday like WCW did' holds no weight. This however could be the push WWE needs to make a much better program and try and attract more viewers and also saty the number one wrestling compnay in the states. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 10:52:02 GMT -5
I think you overestimate the immediate impact of Hogan in TNA. It's something to keep an eye on, it's NOT something to push the Big Red Button over yet. Believe it or not, most things take time to develop. It may be something that WWE need to watch out for much like WWF should have watched out for WCW signing Hogan in 1994.It took over two years, a heel turn,a new show and a 'hostile takeover' among other things. Before Hogans impact on WCW was fully felt by WWF and wrestling fans worldwide. TNA kppes moving from strength to strength whre as WWE kppes getting worse as times goes on and turning into mopre of a joke. WCW had a number of things at that time that TNA doesn't, though - the big ones being a bottomless wallet and a reliable fanbase. Not to mention that TNA has already proven that it cannot get the same use out of WWE's stars that WCW did - they've had Nash. They've had Hall, Angle, Christian, and Booker, and they've had other old, big names like DDP, Steiner, and Sting. And Hogan at this point is 15 years older than he was when he went to WCW, not to mention probably basically immobile. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 30, 2009 11:08:25 GMT -5
WCW had a number of things at that time that TNA doesn't, though - the big ones being a bottomless wallet and a reliable fanbase. Not to mention that TNA has already proven that it cannot get the same use out of WWE's stars that WCW did - they've had Nash. They've had Hall, Angle, Christian, and Booker, and they've had other old, big names like DDP, Steiner, and Sting. And Hogan at this point is 15 years older than he was when he went to WCW, not to mention probably basically immobile. TNA obviously have a lot of money backing them and a lot of sponsors. Especially to bring in names such as Angle, Sting, Nash, Foley, Hogan and Bischoff. WCW didn;t so nesserially have a 'reliable fanbase' rather the fan base which was watching 9WWF) in the 80p;s came back to see why Hogan had turned heel. Also fans also came from WWF who's product was very stale at the time. WCW did try a lot of angles and have many other advantages at that time over WWF. Hogan has been brought in as a booker not a wrestler. (thankfully due to all his injuries) he however still has the biggest crossover appeal in the wrestling world (he was the front runner of both the 80';s and 90;s wrestling booms plus the biggest name in wrestling ever). He may have one or two matches at PPV (away from the title scene). However Hogan does have major potential to bring viewers to TNA. Many fans forget that when WCW brought in all the old stars (like TNA have being doing) the ratings, buy rates and attendance were unaffected (even with the long awaited big Flair VS Hogan matches on the card) it wasn;t till 1996 (when two other stars and the NWO angle stated) that ratings, buys and attendance started to go up- and it was gradual not over night like a lot of fans seem to suggest it was. |
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Oct 30, 2009 11:27:04 GMT -5
I think you overestimate the immediate impact of Hogan in TNA. It's something to keep an eye on, it's NOT something to push the Big Red Button over yet. Believe it or not, most things take time to develop. It may be something that WWE need to watch out for much like WWF should have watched out for WCW signing Hogan in 1994.It took over two years, a heel turn,a new show and a 'hostile takeover' among other things. Before Hogans impact on WCW was fully felt by WWF and wrestling fans worldwide. TNA keeps moving from strength to strength where as WWE keeps getting worse as times goes on and turning into more of a joke. Ok, I'll ignore your last point for right now, as it doesn't immediately pertain to my argument here. Hogan's last BIG run in WCW ended nearly 10 years ago. His last major WWE run was nearly 7 years ago. He's simply not the performer he was then. As I've said inother threads I don't see this boding well for TNA, and oddly enough I WANT things to bode well for them. I keep reading between thew lines with Hogan being brought in and Bischoff being made a "producer" as the beginnings of the sort political chicanery that drove WCW into the ground. And that my dear friends is a BAD thing. TNA doesn't need "legends" that are so far past thier prime that any position would be throwing them a bone, nor do they need the gimmickry of a big name to pop the ratings for a few weeks until thier presence is considered the status quo. When I see TNA I see potential, the same potential that WCW had and, at many points, squandered: -The matches are generally solid but the constant need to overbook a match makes it look worse than it is. - You have a wonderful roster of talent that despite some awful material goes out and puts on generally spectacular matches but because of a distinct lack of "mainstream" exposure will never be as big as if they were in WWE. - There's NO advertising for TNA outside of TNA programming. Everyone knows what Summerslam and Wrestlemania are, only actual Wrestling fans have heard of Lockdown, Bound For Glory, or Slammiversary. The lack of mainstream exposure once again is the issue. While "Indy" cred is all well and good, advertising is your friend. TNA needs to advertise plain and simple, I don't see why they don't. - The Impact Zone is TINY and some of the audience don't seem all that enthused at all. I realize that the shows are free, and I really believe that is part of the problem. Unless the fans are there and shell out money I see a definate disconnect from the product. In other words, it seems like you'd get the bigger fans/those that WANT to see the matches rather than tired tourists trying to get out of the Orlando heat. In short, WWE doesn't NEED to counteract anything. Hogan was a draw 10-15 years ago and is good for a nostalgia pop every once in a while, but unless he can actually "Go" in the ring and not embarrass himself I see him as minor ratings bump that will quickly fizzle, so that TNA can still put on matches no one will see nor know about because, like the Hogan announcement, to most people outside of the Wrestling Bubble TNA is a non-entity. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 30, 2009 11:44:56 GMT -5
Ok Hogan signed with TNA maybe a big deal. But the thing is TNA does no how to book it right where they make impacts. Angle, Foley, Sting, Booker T, and every other big name they signed in the past. None of them changed anything in any kinda of huge degree.
As big of a star Hogan is. He best days in the ring passed him a long time ago. The WWE really I'm sure are not sweating right now. They are going to see but like WCW if Hogan makes a big difference where they have to change. It took a year after Hogan was there to really see a reall difference. Hogan did boast WCW buyrates but then it leveled off. As fans like him for a while but then grew sick of him as the same act and plus anything Hogan did was getting redictulous anyway. Like he and Savage beating every heel in one match and stuff.
Until TNA as an angle or that character that made TNA MOST see TV. The start draw something hire then a 1.3 rating. Or sell out a real arena. Then the WWE are not going to push the big red button so to speak. TNA hasn't done that. Until they have a crowd of 15,000 or more. Which the WWE gets on a weekly basic at there Raw and Smackdown events. TNA hasn't even gotten 10,000 yet in any PPV they did outside the "impact Zone". Why? because TNA lacks of promoting there events. Which is why most of there big signings never do a big change. Because they don't promote the shows. WWE does it and it shows. Because the arenas are full. When Wrestlemania comes around. They do it bigger and it again shows. But having the 50 to 70 thousand people watching in the arena and the Millions watching at him.
So until TNA at less fulls an arena and gets a less a 2.0 rating. Then the WWE would think about it more. They will pay attrention. But it be a while before the push of the "red button".
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Post by poi zen rana on Oct 30, 2009 11:48:40 GMT -5
No WWE does not need to worry yet.
Although it must be said that there is a big difference between TNA adding Hogan and when they added Angle or Sting or Nash. One difference is that Hogan is a bigger name than all of them. The other difference that interests me most is that as anyone who has followed TNA recently can attest ever since Jarrett and his crew have been basically ousted from TNA and Russo has taken over the booking has been much different. The overwhelming majority of views I have heard say this new regime is a drastic improvement. Even if only a few people are convinced to check out TNA the product they will be seeing is very different. To me this indicates that they have a much better chance of increasing their viewership than they have had with any other signing.
Does this mean ratings will sky rocket? No. It does mean however that we can't make a fair comparison between this and the other signings.
At the end of the day though WWE need not worry yet.
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 30, 2009 17:59:23 GMT -5
Have we ever seen Hogan vs. Angle? And if so, did Angle drag a decent match out of the guy?
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Oct 30, 2009 18:02:25 GMT -5
does anyone know for sure what kind of ratings celebrity championship wrestling and hogan knows best drew? from what i've read the highest was in the low 1's, could be wrong but isn't that sort of indicative of how much appeal Hogan has to a mainstream audience? excluding those who are already viewers of TNA. Those are a little different, since those were more reality shows trying to sell on Hogan's name rather than a wrestling company trying to sell wrestling with it. Still, Hogan will not help TNAs ratings. If getting Angle just months after he main-evented WrestleMania didn't do it, a washed up Hogan won't. Oh come on. Angle is one of the best ever, but he is NOT Hogan. |
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Oct 30, 2009 18:25:13 GMT -5
Have we ever seen Hogan vs. Angle? And if so, did Angle drag a decent match out of the guy? They faced each other at King Of The Ring in 2002. From what I've seen it was fairly decent and ended with Hogan tapping out to the Ankle Lock. |
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Post by travis on Oct 30, 2009 18:32:27 GMT -5
WWE doesn't need to do anything. TNA have no clue on who to do anything other than pull off big name surprises who only provide a short term bump. Eric Bischoff is a hack who thinks ratings are what matters more than anything else. He started this trend of making big deal out of ratings, as there was never any talk about ratings before the Monday night wars.
Oh, and he's also responsible for the booking method of featuring marquee matches every week, which leads to the over-saturating of a product and people being less interested in purchasing PPV's. It worked bug short term, but long term caused irrepairable damage to the wrestling industry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 18:44:07 GMT -5
Those are a little different, since those were more reality shows trying to sell on Hogan's name rather than a wrestling company trying to sell wrestling with it. Still, Hogan will not help TNAs ratings. If getting Angle just months after he main-evented WrestleMania didn't do it, a washed up Hogan won't. Oh come on. Angle is one of the best ever, but he is NOT Hogan. No, but Angle was relevant at the time. Hulk isn't - he can pop interest in WWE, sure, since they are big enough to promote him properly and he has history there - him abruptly showing up in TNA comes off more like desperation on all parts than it does a big name suddenly changing loyalties. |
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Post by azz0r on Oct 30, 2009 18:56:12 GMT -5
WWE just needs to concentrate on building new stars.
New stars > Old stars
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Post by barley96 on Oct 30, 2009 18:56:52 GMT -5
Not sure if it has been mentioned, but if the rumor is true that TNA will move to Mondays, I would say yes, but if they stay Thursdays than no. No matter how TNA is, many people will still watch WWE on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday (before TNA) and Friday. If TNA moves to the same time slot as a WWE show than try o counteract. But right now WWE should watch what TNA may do with Hogan.
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Post by Bobafett on Oct 30, 2009 18:57:24 GMT -5
its not Hogan that I'd be wrried about..Its Bischoff, if you remember,before WWE bought WCW,he had ideas to change and improve WCW (and one of them suprisingly was push young talent..at least it says son in Death of WCW ) and it was onlythe fact that they lost the TV spots that screwed him, so I bet hes been feeling the pain,
for about 8 years he's been thinking what if, and some of that he has spent collecting a paycheck from non other than Vince, that probably stuck in his throat something terrible, but now..
now hes sitting there an in road to a young, hungry promotion with the POTENTIAL to be huge, hes learned from mistakes, and he probably looksat WWE and, lets be honest, now is the right time to strike, I bet Easy E knows that too,
pity Bicshoff and Hayman don't get on. imagine TNA with Bischoff and Heyman together..the sad thing is together they probably could bring WWE to its knees..thats the saddest thing of all
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