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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 21:13:49 GMT -5
Well, my feelings about Shingo just did a 180.
Hopefully, these guys get what's coming to them without Dragon Gate being brought down with them.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 28, 2009 21:49:24 GMT -5
I'll never understand how some people enjoy doing things like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2009 21:51:01 GMT -5
Why did they have a monkey to begin with?
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Post by Brother Coyote on May 28, 2009 22:13:41 GMT -5
Why did they have a monkey to begin with? Those particular monkeys are all over the place I assume you could just throw a collar on one and claim it as your own. The story I linked was about the monkeys jumping into the hot springs at a resort and people not being too stressed about it SO its apparently not terrible uncommon in some places to run into them.
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Post by Chainsaw on May 28, 2009 23:00:00 GMT -5
Man, this could end up being really bad for DGUSA this close to their US premiere. This is the last thing they needed. My hope is that all those involved are fired from the company at least, but I highly doubt it'll come to it. Otherwise, if PETA gets wind of this, they'll go apeshit over the premiere show.
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Post by BxB on May 28, 2009 23:26:54 GMT -5
Why did they have a monkey to begin with? Those particular monkeys are all over the place I assume you could just throw a collar on one and claim it as your own. The story I linked was about the monkeys jumping into the hot springs at a resort and people not being too stressed about it SO its apparently not terrible uncommon in some places to run into them. While that might be true. But, the monkey in case is one of the dojo pets.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on May 29, 2009 0:16:34 GMT -5
Not an animal person by any means, but yeah these guys deserve whatever punishment they have coming to them.
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Post by Zombie Pig on May 29, 2009 0:55:06 GMT -5
No creature should be treated like that..... I've been a fan of SHINGO since DGC in 05 and now I have to look at him in a very different light.... ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by Convoy on May 29, 2009 1:14:48 GMT -5
Wow...
The ONE promotion I didn't think would have any drama. And Shingo of all people.
This hurts me as a fan of DG and their wrestlers. I wonder how they'll handle the situation.
BTW - Does anyone find it interesting that Araken of all people (the alcoholic heel in kayfabe) decided to finally bring this to life? I know it's not surprising considering he's a veteran and trainer, and the three responsible are all DG true-borns. It's just interesting to see the guy stand aside from his persona and do what's right.
I mean, there were probably others who knew and didn't say anything. Arai was the one who got the word out.
EDIT: Also, Jae over at the original dgusa site had this to say:
I will talk about the Cora situation soon, but for now I am waiting for the official statement from the office. There are a lot of misconceptions going around that hopefully can be cleared up very shortly.
Rest assured the guilty parties will be punished for their actions.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 1:22:10 GMT -5
UPDATE
From the words of someone who translated Shingo's blog
-Shingo's blog was titled "Successful capture!" and was about how the monkey escaped the dojo and injured three people and he captured it. The blog says how the monkey has acted weird recently and says Tozawa was bullying the monkey.
So basically, Shingo more-than-likely just got lumped into this by posting the pics. And the pics with the person "choking" the monkey is not Shingo.
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Post by Convoy on May 29, 2009 1:26:50 GMT -5
UPDATE From the words of someone who translated Shingo's blog -Shingo's blog was titles "Successful capture!" and was about how the monkey escaped the dojo and injured three people and he captured it. The blog says how the monkey has acted weird recently and says Tozawa was bullying the monkey. So basically, Shingo more-than-likely just got lumped into this by posting the pics. And the pics with the person "choking" the monkey is not Shingo. So... Shingo = Not Guilty Tozawa = Guilty Yeah, this story is no longer shocking or surprising to me if the above turns out to be true.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 29, 2009 1:30:01 GMT -5
if that is indeed the case and Shingo was not involved in the abuse and is trying to stop it, my respect for him shall remain
if not, f*** him
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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 1:31:22 GMT -5
UPDATE From the words of someone who translated Shingo's blog -Shingo's blog was titles "Successful capture!" and was about how the monkey escaped the dojo and injured three people and he captured it. The blog says how the monkey has acted weird recently and says Tozawa was bullying the monkey. So basically, Shingo more-than-likely just got lumped into this by posting the pics. And the pics with the person "choking" the monkey is not Shingo. So... Shingo = Not Guilty Tozawa = Guilty Yeah, this story is no longer shocking or surprising to me if the above turns out to be true. More than likely. Shingo just blogged about the monkey escaping and commented on how Tozawa treats it. Yeah. I feel a bit bad about posting this and labeling Shingo in this but it was just what was posted at DVDVR. And after seeing the videos posted by the Japanese fan which did the same thing, I assumed that what was reported was true. Since Japanese-to-English translation is really hard, it's too easy to misreport stuff. My bad.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 29, 2009 1:36:03 GMT -5
A question:
Is it confirmed about Ono's invovlment, or is it just because he is Tozawa's friend, he is being lumped into this?
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Post by Convoy on May 29, 2009 1:38:10 GMT -5
So... Shingo = Not Guilty Tozawa = Guilty Yeah, this story is no longer shocking or surprising to me if the above turns out to be true. More than likely. Shingo just blogged about the monkey escaping and commented on how Tozawa treats it. Yeah. I feel a bit bad about posting this and labeling Shingo in this but it was just what was posted at DVDVR. And after seeing the videos posted by the Japanese fan which did the same thing, I assumed that what was reported was true. Since Japanese-to-English translation is really hard, it's too easy to misreport stuff. My bad. No biggie. This would've eventually found its way onto the forum. The wait is now on the official word from the office. It's not looking good for the former Tozawa-juku leader.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 1:48:35 GMT -5
A question: Is it confirmed about Ono's invovlment, or is it just because he is Tozawa's friend, he is being lumped into this? Araken's blog mentions Ono along with Tozawa.
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Post by Convoy on May 29, 2009 1:51:33 GMT -5
What is Ono's relationship with the dojo? I know he's friends with Tozawa, but he doesn't wrestle for DG anymore.
I thought he left the promotion after the failure turtle that was Cyber Kongcito.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 2:01:26 GMT -5
That's actually solved by the one piece of info I forgot to mention from the guy at CZWfans.
Apparently this just didn't happen recently. The pics are various from the last year. Araken blew the whistle recently and Shingo just happened to comment on it when telling his story about the monkey escaping. Another small thing, although unsubstantiated, is that someone at Dragon Gate has already been fired over this.
Besides that, we should just wait until Dragon Gate and/or Gabe makes a statement on this.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on May 29, 2009 2:06:39 GMT -5
UPDATE From the words of someone who translated Shingo's blog -Shingo's blog was titles "Successful capture!" and was about how the monkey escaped the dojo and injured three people and he captured it. The blog says how the monkey has acted weird recently and says Tozawa was bullying the monkey. So basically, Shingo more-than-likely just got lumped into this by posting the pics. And the pics with the person "choking" the monkey is not Shingo. So... Shingo = Not Guilty Tozawa = Guilty Yeah, this story is no longer shocking or surprising to me if the above turns out to be true. Indeed. Tozawa I could easily picture being stupid and abusive, but Shingo really would be shocking if true. EDIT: More than that, I checked the date on the blog pics, and it says they're from April 23rd. So, does that mean they've been on there for a while? EDIT EDIT: Actually, that was just the first pic! The third and fourth one is from July of last year, and the second is from last May! WTF?
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Post by Alexander The So-so on May 29, 2009 2:37:43 GMT -5
Sorry to double-post, but, now armed with spare time, my kanji textbooks, and my dictionary, I'm doing a quick translation of the blogs. The second blog page (from Araken) is entitled "Getting a nosebleed, aren't you?" and reads:
"Kora-san [that's the monkey's name, it seems], did you get something hard ["hard, as in texture, "hard like a rock"]?
What?
Tozawa abused you again?"
EDIT: And here's a copy of the post from Shingo's blog, entitled "Successful Capture!" Again, this is an amateur translation.
"The Japanese monkey that we've been keeping at the dojo seemed like it was about to pull our heads off.
There were three injuries.
If it had been someone like one of the neighborhood middle school kids, Kora probably would've been the stronger of the two.
The photo can't sufficiently summarize it; in order to keep it from getting violent, we had to strangle it somewhat.
It was tough."
P.S.: The pronouns like "our" are assumed to be there by me, but I could be wrong; as in a lot of Japanese, there aren't a lot of pronouns to specify who is being talked to.
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