|
Post by allstar on May 29, 2009 14:06:47 GMT -5
Let's say your a successful newer promotion making inroads at going international. You're top face is accused of animal cruelty by a middle-tier heel. Who's more expendable?
|
|
|
Post by Kash Flagg on May 29, 2009 14:07:11 GMT -5
If DragonGate is covering this up (and seriously, if Cora is being loved and treated well there, why is she someplace else now?) Then that company will never see a dime from me.
I'm sure they don't care, but it's disgusting.
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:11:02 GMT -5
Yes, and the unmistakable aroma of bullshit.
|
|
|
Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 14:12:34 GMT -5
If DragonGate is covering this up (and seriously, if Cora is being loved and treated well there, why is she someplace else now?) Then that company will never see a dime from me. I'm sure they don't care, but it's disgusting. The funny thing about this kind of statement is that the people who usually say it are the people who never were going to spend a dime on Dragon Gate to begin with. Also, not getting where people are thinking this is a cover up. RYOMA was directly involved in the monkey abuse as the ringleader. It's not 100% if Tozawa was involved but it's likely he was involved somewhat. Same thing with Ono as he's been gone from Dragon Gate for a while.
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:14:39 GMT -5
If DragonGate is covering this up (and seriously, if Cora is being loved and treated well there, why is she someplace else now?) Then that company will never see a dime from me. I'm sure they don't care, but it's disgusting. The funny thing about this kind of statement is that the people who usually say it are the people who never were going to spend a dime on Dragon Gate to begin with. I was,I fully planned on adding DGUSA to my ROH/PWG dvd buying list and I won't if the questions about the abuse aren't answered to my satisfaction. It's my right as a consumer to not support people who do things I morally oppose.
|
|
|
Post by Kash Flagg on May 29, 2009 14:15:09 GMT -5
If DragonGate is covering this up (and seriously, if Cora is being loved and treated well there, why is she someplace else now?) Then that company will never see a dime from me. I'm sure they don't care, but it's disgusting. The funny thing about this kind of statement is that the people who usually say it are the people who never were going to spend a dime on Dragon Gate to begin with. Perhaps, but I was excited about DGUSA and was thinking about buying some shows when they came out. I won't now. If you're implying I never intended to purchase anything to begin with, I imply that you not try your mind reading skills because they aren't working correctly.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 29, 2009 14:17:01 GMT -5
I was gonna look into this place as well but now I'm not so sure TBH
|
|
|
Post by allstar on May 29, 2009 14:17:04 GMT -5
I have bought Dragon Gate import dvd's. Now I'm sorry I did.
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:19:09 GMT -5
If DragonGate is covering this up (and seriously, if Cora is being loved and treated well there, why is she someplace else now?) Then that company will never see a dime from me. I'm sure they don't care, but it's disgusting. The funny thing about this kind of statement is that the people who usually say it are the people who never were going to spend a dime on Dragon Gate to begin with. Also, not getting where people are thinking this is a cover up. RYOMA was directly involved in the monkey abuse as the ringleader. It's not 100% if Tozawa was involved but it's likely he was involved somewhat. Same thing with Ono as he's been gone from Dragon Gate for a while. Because I fail to see where those photos are of "the monkey got loose and we had to restrain him". By choking him with one arm while his body was extended off the ground. And taking photos of it. And...did they get him drunk to dull the pain or was that a lie too? Either way..the questions aren;t answered to my satisfaction and I choose not to support DGUSA until they are. They may be answered to your liking and you may choose to.you have just as much right to reach that conclusion as I do my own.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,898
|
Post by Mozenrath on May 29, 2009 14:19:22 GMT -5
I would, too, except I'm still too confused about what's going on so I have no idea who is to blame yet, which seems as much due to language barrier as due to any possible cover up.
|
|
|
Post by Chuckie Finster on May 29, 2009 14:19:45 GMT -5
So y'all are souring on a great company because of a few idiots? The situation has been dealt with internally and just because of the miscommunication due to the language barrier, your going to say "screw this company"?
|
|
|
Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 29, 2009 14:20:38 GMT -5
Also, not getting where people are thinking this is a cover up. RYOMA was directly involved in the monkey abuse as the ringleader. nowhere does it say he was the ring leader or even involved in the abuse. it says "One of our rookie wrestlers made an unofficial blog detailing incidents regarding our pet monkey Cora, detailing them from the monkey perspective...The offending player and the person behind the blog that started this entire series of events was RYOMA. He was keeping a blog from the perspective of Cora, and discussed all of the various allegations of abuse that are out there now." he wrote what was happening to Cora, and thats what brought all this to light
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:21:58 GMT -5
So y'all are souring on a great company because of a few idiots? The situation has been dealt with internally and just because of the miscommunication due to the language barrier, your going to say "screw this company"? Yes, because although the company perhaps wasn't responsible for the abuse they certainly are for the response, and like I said..the questions haven't been answered to my satisfaction. Could they be..eventually? Yes. But right now I'm just not buying what they are selling as far as the explanation goes.
|
|
Johnny B. Decent
Patti Mayonnaise
Had one once
Everybody's Favorite Arizonian.
Posts: 31,164
|
Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 29, 2009 14:22:03 GMT -5
Eh, this story changes every five minutes seemingly, so I will wait a bit longer to make judgment.
|
|
|
Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 29, 2009 14:22:56 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Kash Flagg on May 29, 2009 14:23:06 GMT -5
We're souring on them (at least I am) because the explanation doesn't satisfy me. Why is the monkey now somewhere else if he was so well taken care of/loved at the dojo? If the offending parties were fired, then it should be safe right?
Right now it's coming of as Dragon Gate protecting their biggest face. If it's not true, then fine, I'll gladly buy and watch their stuff.
While we may be coming off as extreme to you, you're coming off the same way with the "dragon gate said they took care of it, so it's ok" mentality.
I don't mean that as a flame seriously, but to me that's how you're coming off.
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:24:57 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I still see no damn way THAT is a legitimate way to restrain a violent monkey. And on top of that..WHY is this thing not in a zoo if it were capable of getting loose and hurting the general public in the first damn place?
|
|
|
Post by Kash Flagg on May 29, 2009 14:26:55 GMT -5
Eh, anyway, I'm keeping my thoughts to myself now. If they explain it better, then excellent. If not, oh well. The world keeps on a spinning.
|
|
Johnny B. Decent
Patti Mayonnaise
Had one once
Everybody's Favorite Arizonian.
Posts: 31,164
|
Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 29, 2009 14:28:56 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I still see no damn way THAT is a legitimate way to restrain a violent monkey. And on top of that..WHY is this thing not in a zoo if it were capable of getting loose and hurting the general public in the first damn place? Have you ever taken a look at Shingo? The guy does not extrude the "Genius" look. At any rate, if it's a cover-up, it seems that it's more for Tozawa then Shingo to me.
|
|
biafra
El Dandy
Biafra Who?
Posts: 7,617
|
Post by biafra on May 29, 2009 14:29:40 GMT -5
Also, understand I'm not bashing anyone who is satisfied with the explanation and will support the product. I'm simply stating why i myself can not at this point.
|
|