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Post by BitterAF on Dec 20, 2008 16:08:01 GMT -5
Tenay and West
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 20, 2008 16:40:09 GMT -5
Why is Mike Tenay not an option? He's one of the biggest reasons I can't stand watching impact in English. Seriously Exnay Tenay sucks.
Oh and the SHoddy camera work, the production value has gone up though since the move to HD.
They just need far better editing
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Post by JerryArr: Hat! on Dec 20, 2008 17:37:59 GMT -5
First and foremost, the booking. TNA's booking of the Frontline is making Gillberg look like Goldberg. I mean, having the Frontline lose a bunch is fine, but everyone in the Frontline is being made to look stupid. Not to mention the sharp decline in the Knockouts division. And X Division. And everything.
Second is the huge amount of worthless wrestlers on the roster. Really? Rhino? Kip James? Do we need them? Of course not. Please TNA. Get rid of Kip James now.
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Post by toodarkmark on Dec 20, 2008 18:28:23 GMT -5
I voted Don West and Vince Russo. But all of the above works for me too. I still like TNA, it's just frustrating to know idiots run the business. Always have and always will. Anytime a promotion does anything good, it is surrounded by horrible idiocy which no one cares about, or often hates.
There's such a vacuum right now for something good to happen. TNA by default is what I enjoy, but boy do I wish there was SOME good wrestling promotion on TV. I had hope for ROH, but the PPVs were horrible. Oh well.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 20, 2008 18:33:01 GMT -5
First and foremost, the booking. TNA's booking of the Frontline is making Gillberg look like Goldberg. I mean, having the Frontline lose a bunch is fine, but everyone in the Frontline is being made to look stupid. Not to mention the sharp decline in the Knockouts division. And X Division. And everything. Second is the huge amount of worthless wrestlers on the roster. Really? Rhino? Kip James? Do we need them? Of course not. Please TNA. Get rid of Kip James now. Kip sucks, but Rhino's been okay lately. I don't really think they had anyone else to go with, except I guess Morgan.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 20, 2008 18:58:26 GMT -5
You know, I didn't realise that until just now. That's kind of morbidly funny.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 20, 2008 18:59:56 GMT -5
I think the overuse of gimmick matches and the run ins could go into overbooking, which has always been my issue with it.
TNA, I don't know what it is with them, but they have to stuff 10 pounds of shit into a 5 pound bag.
Instead of going back and forth to get people's thoughts, just do it once or twice, and build to things next week. A good booker could probably take one episode of TNA, and spread it out over 4 weeks, with how much goes on there. Like, the main guys on the show have to be on at least 5 or 6 times in the run of two hours. I mean, Kane did a whole lot this week, and that didn't even compare to what everyone on TNA does.
Putting in more wrestling, like, I don't want to sound like a net mark who thinks that the wrestling on the show is the only thing that matters. But, have the wrestler's tell the stories, instead of having the stories be told and drilled into people time and time again. Instead of going back to get people's thoughts, make a match and have that tell the story instead.
Another thing I hate, and I want to get this out of the way. The Title belts. What the hell did Jay Lethal do to deserve a shot at the World Title? I remember there was an X-Title match with Eric Young, Jimmy Rave and Sheik Bashir, and at the time, neither Young or Rave had done anything in particular to earn a title match. Some of these guys are good, but how important is the belt if the guy who's half way up your entire babyface roster gets a world title match.
And, the gimmick matches goes into overbooking. When is a match special if it's done all the time on your television show? I understand one is trying to get ratings, but ratings will come with a good television product, and buyrates will come with the special matches being put on the pay per views.
I understand Vince Russo's theory for writing. He wants to get as many eyeballs watching the tv screen, and sometimes wrestling won't do it. Have the wrestling at the house shows and the pay per views, because then people are going to pay to see those. And even the old theory of having less matches on the tv, so people have to pay to see the houseshows as well is an ok concept, but I don't think it works nowadays. But, have the wrestling tell the stories is important. Don't give away the big matches on Impact, but, the undercard is talented enough to where they can tell the good stories, and potentially bring in the viewers.
One thing that's positive about TNA is, despite people laughing at the ratings, they have one big thing over WWE right now. Consistency. People may say they're consistently 1.1 or 1.2, but Raw goes down a couple of points a lot, then up one week, then down again. TNA has an established audience, and needs to change its formula a bit to see where they can go now. Find new ways to bring in viewers. What worked the week before, focus more on that this week. What didn't work the previous week, why didn't it work, what can it be done to fix it. People think the ratings are stupid at times too, but they show somethings that can be improved upon, or made better.
The deal with Christy and Josie. That drew. So, next week, Josie, why did you turn on Christy. Blah blah blah, this, that and the other thing, yadda yadda yadda. Now, instead of going to Christy and say, now Christy, what did you think of that. Go to a match with Josie and Christy instead. But, with TNA, they would go to Christy for her comments, or wait later on in the show. That time could be used for something else. Christy Hemme's in ring expressions, and her actions while she is wrestling will tell that side of the story. Pro wrestling is storytelling, and I don't think some people know that. They feel that talking tells the story, but the action in the ring does, and the commentators help put it over (and by put it over, I don't mean try to explain every word that's being said).
They need to go back to basics. Overbooking is their problem.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 20, 2008 19:10:44 GMT -5
Randal: This show would be great if it wasn't for the f*****' fans. Dante: Which ones? Randal: All of them!
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 20, 2008 19:51:26 GMT -5
Case in point, Feast or Fired. snorkin' dumb idea in theory, snorking failure in practice, so what do they do? Bring it back again hoping it won't be a failure again. It is my personal belief that Feast or Fired is possibly the coolest wrestling concept ever... but hey, to each their own?
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 20, 2008 20:10:18 GMT -5
Case in point, Feast or Fired. snorkin' dumb idea in theory, snorking failure in practice, so what do they do? Bring it back again hoping it won't be a failure again. It is my personal belief that Feast or Fired is possibly the coolest wrestling concept ever... but hey, to each their own? A multi-man match with no eliminations, fighting for four briefcases on poles with a 1/4 chance of the winner getting fired, so that people in the match would turn down the chance to win for fear of losing their jobs is the coolest concept ever? ...Okay, whatever, dude. Like you said, to each their own. Personally, I'm not too into needlessly complicated and nonsensical gimmick matches that MUST be brought back every year because the bookers have a hard-on for 'em. Hell, if it was WWE doing it with the 'Scramble match' I'd be ragging on them just the same.
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Post by El Hijo De Slapnuts on Dec 20, 2008 20:58:49 GMT -5
My mian problems were the x-divison backburner(like in 06 AJ Styles was one of the stars of the company and in the x-division but now the x-division guys isn't even considered main event talent) and the MCMG burial one week and then the push the next(?)
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Post by donners on Dec 20, 2008 22:24:51 GMT -5
I've followed TNA since 2002, so I suppose I'm not really shocked by anything they do any more. They still frustrate me, but I don't get so upset over it these days.
I actually think they've cleared up one of their major problems that was around earlier this year, which was really bad comedy. The thing with Angle going out on dates was very nearly enough for me to stop watching. The Palin stuff isn't great, but it's nowhere near as bad as that.
Don West has kinda grown on me. I would prefer to listen to somebody else, but he doesn't actively annoy me.
I've seen the X-Division in worse shape than this - start of 2004 IIRC, when AJ was pushed to the main event.
The run-ins aren't anywhere near as bad as in 2002-2004.
I guess my biggest complaint is with the booking, because I don't like the way some talented wrestlers don't get much in-ring time, and I REALLY don't like a certain rumoured new signing.
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Post by Kae on Dec 20, 2008 22:58:50 GMT -5
I think my two pet peeves are how TNA relies too much on gimmick matches and wastes the resources that it has.
1) There is nothing wrong with a straightforward wrestling match; gimmicks should be used sparingly and should be as simple as possible. TNA tends to load their shows with gimmicks that require 3 pages of bullet notes to explain!
2) TNA has great talent that it misuses horribly. The X-Division is full of amazing wrestlers who have to do these lame comedy gimmicks, and who aren't taken seriously as a result. Similarly, the Knockout division has some of the best wrestlers in North America and is just doing nothing right with them. Nikki Roxx should have been pushed to the moon after getting her head shaved. Cheerleader Melissa should be a dominant figure who gets to use all of her impressive offense. That would solve their babyface problem right there. Jackie Moore should not be managing, since she's a damn talented wrestler.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 20, 2008 23:09:28 GMT -5
Cheerleader Melissa should be a dominant figure who gets to use all of her impressive offense. and instead she’s joined with Rhaka Khan and Sojourner Bolt in the “who the f*** came up these names” side of the Knockouts
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Post by hollywood on Dec 21, 2008 1:59:29 GMT -5
Randal: This show would be great if it wasn't for the f*****' fans. Dante: Which ones? Randal: All of them! I still say Jedi was better than Empire.
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Post by Celgress on Dec 21, 2008 10:02:48 GMT -5
The over all booking, and the misuse of the X-Division have my votes.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 21, 2008 10:09:26 GMT -5
Randal: This show would be great if it wasn't for the f*****' fans. Dante: Which ones? Randal: All of them! I still say Jedi was better than Empire. but the independent contractors...
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Post by KLRA on Dec 21, 2008 17:35:36 GMT -5
Here's my problem with TNA. They never know the appropriate time to pull the trigger on ANYTHING. Samoa Joe should have been champion long before he actually was. The Angle/Joe feud should have been more drawn out. And on and on.
Say what you will about the PPV days of TNA, but they knew how to build feuds. AJ Styles was slowly built up to becoming a main eventer like Angle was in WWE. Raven's path to the title went YEARS. AMW vs. Triple xXx was a drawn out fued.
I get the logic behind why TNA books like they do. They don't want to push something to early, or to late. The problem is that they don't know when to push something so that when it happens it doesn't gather the reaction they want.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 21, 2008 19:33:47 GMT -5
The booking and the burial of the Machine Guns. I don't understand either.
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Post by franchisedavis on Dec 21, 2008 20:16:08 GMT -5
I guess I would have to say booking and gimmick matches.
Seriously I can barely keep track on who is a heel and who is a face. It changes so quick that its hard for anyone to keep up with. Especially when you start liking a heel and next thing you know they are a face. Its annoying.
Gimmick matches. TNA you don't have to re-invent the wheel. WWE has set an excellent example. Look at the Royal Rumble, it has a been a staple for years and years and all fans enjoy it. Stick with a few gimmick matches, ladder match, cage match, hardcore match. That's all you need, even the WWE has over used some gimmicks by pulling things like the Elimination chamber which just seems like garbage. And TLC, why can't a ladder match just be a TLC instead of the 2 being seperate? If you want the cool TLC match name just use that instead.
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