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Post by franchisedavis on Dec 21, 2008 20:16:45 GMT -5
Oh yeah don't forget the Punjambi Prision Match, where both guys were from the United States
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 21, 2008 20:32:35 GMT -5
Oh yeah don't forget the Punjambi Prision Match, where both guys were from the United States To be fair, Khali had to bow out of the match, so I don't think they wanted to just throw away the bamboo.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 21, 2008 20:44:12 GMT -5
I mark for a Samoan Lumberjack match.
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Post by franchisedavis on Dec 21, 2008 21:37:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah don't forget the Punjambi Prision Match, where both guys were from the United States To be fair, Khali had to bow out of the match, so I don't think they wanted to just throw away the bamboo. To be even more fair, the concept of the match was horrible and if it was going to be Khali's specialty match sort of like taker having a casket match, he should be at least be good at it. The only way that match would have been worse is if Khali was in it.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 21, 2008 23:57:49 GMT -5
I just want to interject for a moment on the subject of gimmick matches and booking, etc. with a quote from Bobby Heenan's first book that I've been reading, since there's I line I read in it recently that I found extremely telling:
"Vince Russo took over for Bischoff in October of 1999. He said from the outset that he was going to hire actors. Anybody could wrestle, he thought. He wanted to do everything in the business that worked and do it the opposite to see if it would still work. That mentality shows you how well WCW was doing before the WWF bought them."
He goes onto say of Russo's supposed 'creative genius' that 'dug the WWF out of the ratings war' that people like to bring up in defense of him:
"Russo was the editor of the WWF magazine. Everyone talks about how he and Ed Ferrera were writers there for WWF television. Truthfully, if they would give 20 ideas to McMahon, he would choose one of them and then turn around and do his own thing. Those weren't their ideas. Those were McMahon's."
I think that really speaks volumes of TNA's biggest problem; the creative team in charge of the product.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 22, 2008 0:20:13 GMT -5
I just want to interject for a moment on the subject of gimmick matches and booking, etc. with a quote from Bobby Heenan's first book that I've been reading, since there's I line I read in it recently that I found extremely telling: "Vince Russo took over for Bischoff in October of 1999. He said from the outset that he was going to hire actors. Anybody could wrestle, he thought. He wanted to do everything in the business that worked and do it the opposite to see if it would still work. That mentality shows you how well WCW was doing before the WWF bought them." He goes onto say of Russo's supposed 'creative genius' that 'dug the WWF out of the ratings war' that people like to bring up in defense of him: "Russo was the editor of the WWF magazine. Everyone talks about how he and Ed Ferrera were writers there for WWF television. Truthfully, if they would give 20 ideas to McMahon, he would choose one of them and then turn around and do his own thing. Those weren't their ideas. Those were McMahon's." I think that really speaks volumes of TNA's biggest problem; the creative team in charge of the product. Right, and how is a person's thought from TEN YEARS AGO suppose to affect us now?
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 22, 2008 1:01:22 GMT -5
I just want to interject for a moment on the subject of gimmick matches and booking, etc. with a quote from Bobby Heenan's first book that I've been reading, since there's I line I read in it recently that I found extremely telling: "Vince Russo took over for Bischoff in October of 1999. He said from the outset that he was going to hire actors. Anybody could wrestle, he thought. He wanted to do everything in the business that worked and do it the opposite to see if it would still work. That mentality shows you how well WCW was doing before the WWF bought them." He goes onto say of Russo's supposed 'creative genius' that 'dug the WWF out of the ratings war' that people like to bring up in defense of him: "Russo was the editor of the WWF magazine. Everyone talks about how he and Ed Ferrera were writers there for WWF television. Truthfully, if they would give 20 ideas to McMahon, he would choose one of them and then turn around and do his own thing. Those weren't their ideas. Those were McMahon's." I think that really speaks volumes of TNA's biggest problem; the creative team in charge of the product. Right, and how is a person's thought from TEN YEARS AGO suppose to affect us now? You tell me dude, how much has changed in the product in those 10 years?
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 22, 2008 3:20:33 GMT -5
1. Don West 2. Mike Tenay
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Post by Jam on Dec 22, 2008 18:44:24 GMT -5
The six sided ring
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 22, 2008 21:07:57 GMT -5
a few observations from me and my friend who watch it together each week
the fact that it seems that PPVs are used to hype up impact and not the other way round
the way the whole x division is almost now one big gimmick match. when all else fails shove em all in one huge clustersnork of a match to open a ppv
*blank* on a pole match obviously
storylines and character changes are built up for ages and then either disappear or fade out to be replaced with whatever they wanna do this week. the lack of continuity is rediculous even for a wrestling program, 3 weeks after robert roode and bookah are in a heated fued they are teaming together with no explination is the one that still sticks in my mind. and the continual name changes after they have introduced talent. Davari, angelina love, velvet sky, Billy gun, Lance Hoyt, shelly martinez among others all work a few appearence or more and they change there names ane expect us not to notice
with foley and jarret both in charges what the hell is the point of cornette
and then theres don west and mike tenay, id rather here hector in spanish most nights
personally i dont think russo shouldnt be entirely blamed, sure he a big part of the problem but it seems like the whole creative team needs a shake up
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 22, 2008 22:44:19 GMT -5
Here's my problem with TNA. They never know the appropriate time to pull the trigger on ANYTHING. Samoa Joe should have been champion long before he actually was. The Angle/Joe feud should have been more drawn out. And on and on. Say what you will about the PPV days of TNA, but they knew how to build feuds. AJ Styles was slowly built up to becoming a main eventer like Angle was in WWE. Raven's path to the title went YEARS. AMW vs. Triple xXx was a drawn out fued. I get the logic behind why TNA books like they do. They don't want to push something to early, or to late. The problem is that they don't know when to push something so that when it happens it doesn't gather the reaction they want. Definitely the top answer for me. They have some great ideas and some fine matches, but never know when to really pull the trigger and make something happen at the right time. Either it gets too drawn out, or it's hot-shotted. Second thing would be the editing combined with the commentating: too damn frantic. RELAX. It's cool that they want a presentation that's different from WWE's, but when everything is so chaotic, it doesn't allow anything to seem important or sink in.
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Post by bretclark on Dec 25, 2008 6:30:44 GMT -5
The simple fact that they have talented people in their roster and don't know how to use them properly. I have said this many times, but what TNA really needs is someone like Paul Heyman to come in and take over the booking duties, once you have that, everything will fall in place.
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Post by Aaron E. Dangerously on Dec 25, 2008 8:16:22 GMT -5
I enjoy what a lot of people call "overbooking". I feel like 1 Impact! fits more stuff into their two hours then the WWE fits into their 5, but that's just me... I wouldn't mind the overbooking if there weren't matches that went on for only one minute that weren't squash matches. Talk about clipping wings. Personally, I said booking and mistreatment of X-Division.
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Post by Frank Castle on Dec 25, 2008 10:56:23 GMT -5
My personal beef is that TNA in 2002 proclaimed they were the future of pro wrestling and lead us to the promised land of a workrate paradise where cruiserweights rule.
It's almost 2009 and TNA has not taken us to the promised land of workrate paradise.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 25, 2008 11:34:59 GMT -5
Not enough Hustle. Not enough Loyalty. Not enough Respect.
Seriously, sometimes I feel that TNA tries to cram in too much content on every Impact. They ought to pace themselves more.
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Post by blackout734 on Dec 26, 2008 0:27:37 GMT -5
Don West KILLS me. I really can barely watch TNA because of him. And the specialty matches are designed to happen so rarely, the fans can appreciate the different spots and madness that go with them. One to two specialty matches a PPV is really all you need. That's why PPVs like Lockdown and, to go after the E, One Night Stand, are horrible. Overexposure will kill interest in the matches.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Dec 26, 2008 18:53:27 GMT -5
I'd say booking and X-division on a backburner.
I remember the time the X-division was so important it was pretty much THE selling point of watching TNA over WWE, and was pretty much expressed by TNA themselves in thier hype. I remember a time when the X-division belt was RIGHT up there with the TNA title, and now it's probably honestly around the Cruiser status at it's APEX in WWE. The Tag belts are more hotly contested.
This wouldn't matter if there just weren't SO MANY DAMN GOOD X-DIVISION STYLE WRESTLERS. The MCMG's both, Creed, Lethal, Dutt, Daniels whenever his new gimmick is thought up, I mean the list just keeps going. Given a solid, SOLID 15 to 20 minutes every week on Impact the X-Division could seriously give people reasons to tune in religiously. As lame as it sounds, LET THEM WRESTLE.
Second the booking, primarily the MEM. The MEM are playing thier roles perfectly, which is fine, and I don't mind the dominant slant they have been having the last two or so months with taking Frontline members out. I just have seen something similar when NWO got too big because it was "cool"(and make no mistake there's a lot of fans marking more for MEM than a good portion of the "lesser" Frontline members). NWO started being the sole focus and WCW was seen as pretty much pathetic, and when NWO finally drew it's last breath(well the giant beast the original black and white NWO was), WCW was literally left with no direction and just started throwing some of the worst crap against the wall. When MEM finally dissolves, I just hope that they do what NWO failed to do, and that's elevate the younger stars and not leaving TNA a burned out husk. There's a lot of good talent and ideas in TNA, they hopefully won't be as dumb as WCW and throw ALL thier apples JUST in the MEM cart.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 27, 2008 15:03:24 GMT -5
One screaming guy can be grating, 2 screaming guys overexplaining everything on screen ruins everything.
Mike Tenay is the worst PBP announcer ever. Vince McMahon was way better.
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Post by bretclark on Jan 1, 2009 5:25:28 GMT -5
1. With all the action and the death defying moves that's going on in the ring, I figured it would amount to something, but it doesn't, a very twisted form of science.
2. Do what the WWF used to do, which is to make mega stars out of their performers and try to cross promote it with the mainstream in some capacity and exploit it until it hits the bone.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 1, 2009 13:36:54 GMT -5
Oh, and naming a wrestler Suicide. We're not even 2 years removed from Benoit, for Christ sakes. For some reason I laughed. The booking isn't good, that's my irk.
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