bigbossman
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Post by bigbossman on Oct 26, 2009 9:33:33 GMT -5
I'm amazed no one's mentioned Hogan yet, let me be the first. In terms of wrestling ability he was terrible. Maybe not the worst ever but certainly worthy of a top ten slot.
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Post by quantum on Oct 26, 2009 10:03:10 GMT -5
I'm amazed no one's mentioned Hogan yet, let me be the first. In terms of wrestling ability he was terrible. Maybe not the worst ever but certainly worthy of a top ten slot. The title of the thread is worst wrestler to ever hold the WWF championship. Not top 10 worst wrestlers.Plus Hogan can wrestle he had some great mat wrestling matches in Japan. After his stint in the WWF. Hogan the character called for him to wrestle the way he did in the 80's. His character had limited but destructive offense. |
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 26, 2009 10:44:08 GMT -5
WHC: probably HHH, though JBL was a big stretch but I actually wanted to see him lose the belt WWF/WWE: I would say Khali, but he never held that title apparently. I can't think of anyone right now. Khali did hold the WHC one, though. Unless you think Triple H is a worse wrestler. Your opinion and all, but I guess me and you wouldn't have the same tastes. I don't complain much about Khali because for a guy of his size he does more than I would expect from him. Having grown up watching Giant Gonzales/ El Giagante and Giant Silva, Great Khali was way better. He's bad compared to Undertaker or Vader, but they don't have the size limitation Khali did. He's currently a friendly giant and he pulls it off well. I did not enjoy his title reign but it was not bad enough to actually make me stop watching or change the channel. I said HHH not so much because of his matches but because I have not liked any of his title reigns since his third one after winning Judgement Day 2000 . They are very predictable. I thought how he got the WHC in the first place was WCW 2000 level nonsense and the matches which came afterward (ex. HHH vs. Steiner) certainly didn't help. For all the talk about Yokozuna, Ultimate Warrior, Hogan, and JBL they at least kept me watching the TV. I actually liked watching Yokozuna and before he gained too much weight he was surprisingly agile for a guy of his size. HHH was boring enough at that point that I quit watching Raw for several years. I no longer cared if he won or lost; I just wanted him to stay off my TV. In fact, I pretty much didn't watch any wrestling except for the occasional episode of Smackdown (until Eddie died) until Jericho came back. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 26, 2009 13:58:42 GMT -5
Diesel. A full year by someone who never should have been a face. He also has the lowest ratings, merchandise, and ticket sales of any champion in WWF/E history.
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Post by rk9295 on Oct 26, 2009 15:22:16 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio because there's no credibility in calling a 5'3'' 165lb. man a world champion.
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Post by stevieraymark on Oct 26, 2009 16:49:40 GMT -5
. He also has the lowest ratings, merchandise, and ticket sales of any champion in WWF/E history. He also booked himself to beat Goldberg at Starrcade 98, and Randy Savage once molested a 14 year old Stephanie thats why WWE dont mention him anymore. Dont automatically believe everything you read on the internet. |
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Post by Schattenjager on Oct 27, 2009 6:47:45 GMT -5
Diesel. A full year by someone who never should have been a face. He also has the lowest ratings, merchandise, and ticket sales of any champion in WWF/E history. Well, to be fair to Nash, the fans really jumped on the Diesel bandwagon and he was truly over with the fans as babyface, so it made sense. But I, too, always thought of him more as a natural heel and Shawn as the underdog babyface, not the other way around like it was at WrestleMania XI. Their No Holds Barred match a year later was good with the roles reversed. Workrate-wise, I still think he was pretty bad. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 27, 2009 15:26:24 GMT -5
Diesel. A full year by someone who never should have been a face. He also has the lowest ratings, merchandise, and ticket sales of any champion in WWF/E history. Well, to be fair to Nash, the fans really jumped on the Diesel bandwagon and he was truly over with the fans as baby face, so it made sense. But I, too, always thought of him more as a natural heel and Shawn as the underdog babyface, not the other way around like it was at WrestleMania XI. Their No Holds Barred match a year later was good with the roles reversed. Workrate-wise, I still think he was pretty bad. I would agree that there match next again year at IYH 7 was better than there WM 11 match. However I think HBK was well suited to be a heel. Diesel was major over with the fans who were still around. 1995 (and the whole New Generation era) was an awful era for WWF with the worst buys, attendance and ratings ever. However Diesel get's;s far to much carp for this. He was not the sole reason why WWF were in the craper at this ti9me. Wrestling as a while was very stale and WWF were still going with the same format they had in the 80;s only WCW were taking all there stars who were established in the 80;s and very early 90;s. WWF roster was paper thin and stacked to the rafters in crap. It was the worst year all round for WWF as far as booking gores also (Royal Rumble participants, Mabel wins King Of The Ring and headlines Summerslam and Bret Hart stuck in an awful feud in the mid card just to name three things). A lot of fans were switching to the new established company (WCW) at that time also. Bret Hart and HBK around the same time 9and the year later) didn;t do much better than Diesel as WWF champion either. Diesel was as I said earlier major over as WWF champion 9and I already explained this in this thread also). Also the last PPV Diesel was on and invloved in the title picture and a massive part of the event. IYH 7 where he faced HBK for the WWF championship drew the best buy rates that a WWF PPV would for the next 18 months or so and that's including Wrestlemania |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Oct 27, 2009 18:10:04 GMT -5
. He also has the lowest ratings, merchandise, and ticket sales of any champion in WWF/E history. He also booked himself to beat Goldberg at Starrcade 98, and Randy Savage once molested a 14 year old Stephanie thats why WWE dont mention him anymore. Dont automatically believe everything you read on the internet. Is there any way to look this up, find records of sales from different periods to confirm or deny this? I only mentioned it because it sounds like there would be solid numbers to back it up. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 28, 2009 11:23:13 GMT -5
He also booked himself to beat Goldberg at Starrcade 98, and Randy Savage once molested a 14 year old Stephanie thats why WWE dont mention him anymore. Dont automatically believe everything you read on the internet. Is there any way to look this up, find records of sales from different periods to confirm or deny this? I only mentioned it because it sounds like there would be solid numbers to back it up. Yeah you just have to goggle it really. Or look on a repuatable wrestlnig site which also talks about the history of wrestling. It is well documented. |
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Post by Schattenjager on Oct 28, 2009 11:44:22 GMT -5
Nash himself has stated that he was nowhere near the book when Goldberg's streak ended. He started booking in the summer of 1999. Did Nash use his backstage influence to go over Goldberg at StarrCade? We don't know. But in Nash's own words, he wasn't booking at the time.
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Post by quantum on Oct 28, 2009 11:55:09 GMT -5
Every one who has been at the top and the company's top star at that time from Nash to Hogan to Austin to Macho Man to Ric Flair to The Rock to Bret Hart to HBK to everyone in between has used there position and power to pull strings at one time or another in their career. That;'s part of the reason they become to big and dominate in the company they work for. If they can and could why shouldn;t they. That's just 'food for thought' not that it adds or clears up Starrcade as far as Goldberg and Nash is concerned. However it is annoying when smarks act like it's only certain wrestlers coincidently the ones they don;t like that 'pull strings' and manipulate situations and angles involving themselves backstage and try to put themselves over. It also happens not only in wrestling but any company and just about all walks of life. Most people in a position of power anywhere got there through pulling strings and manipulation (partly) and once they get to the top they try there hardest to stay on top. The wrestlers who pull stings are simply smart businessmen.
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Post by Schattenjager on Oct 28, 2009 11:57:17 GMT -5
Austin always seems to get a free pass when it comes to playing backstage politics.
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Post by quantum on Oct 28, 2009 12:00:30 GMT -5
Austin always seems to get a free pass when it comes to playing backstage politics. According to a lot of sources he was one of the worst. Coincidence he was one of the worst backstage and one of the most successful of all time I think not. Same can be said again for most of the guys who have been and stayed on top for a long time. (Hogan,. HBK, Nash, HHH just to name a few). However fans/smarks love Austin therefore would give him a 'free pass' |
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Post by cernex on Oct 28, 2009 12:03:16 GMT -5
Every one who has been at the top and the company's top star at that time from Nash to Hogan to Austin to Macho Man to Ric Flair to The Rock to Bret Hart to HBK to everyone in between has used there position and power to pull strings at one time or another in their career. That;'s part of the reason they become to big and dominate in the company they work for. If they can and could why shouldn;t they. That's just 'food for thought' not that it adds or clears up Starrcade as far as Goldberg and Nash is concerned. However it is annoying when smarks act like it's only certain wrestlers coincidently the ones they don;t like that 'pull strings' and manipulate situations and angles involving themselves backstage and try to put themselves over. It also happens not only in wrestling but any company and just about all walks of life. Most people in a position of power anywhere got there through pulling strings and manipulation (partly) and once they get to the top they try there hardest to stay on top. The wrestlers who pull stings are simply smart businessmen. True, but some "string pulls" were far better than others. I mean, remember the Bret/Bulldog match for IC Championship Belt. If all pulls brought such top-quality bouts, then hell, go ahead I say. Staying on topic... I guess Diesel's righ-work really made me not care at all when he had the title, yet his mic work was great, so... I guess I'm going with Vince on this one. As much as people point "he's great for an old man", he's still not good enough for having the title. Period. |
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Post by don on Oct 29, 2009 13:03:05 GMT -5
Vince McMahon seems to be a pretty popular answer, but I have to ask why? I mean, didn't he hold the title for all of a week? Also, if you're going by "workrate," doesn't Vince usually have some of the best matches on the card? I mean, sure they are overbooked matches and Vince is FAR from a natural athlete, but I'll take a fantastic overbooked match with a non-athlete over a boring match between two ral athletes any day of the week. Also, by that same token, I feel that JBL had the best title reign in the last 5 or 10 years. It was so damn unpredictable. You just knew that his luck had run out, only for him to steal one more victory. It was damn entertaining. Now that brings me to my worst champion: I'd have to say Chris Benoit.
This has nothing to do with the way his life ended. It was just a really mediocre reign (not entirely Benoit's fault). His major storyline as champion was whether or not the new retarded superstar would help him or Triple H win their match.......compelling television, I know...... Also, I got the feeling that Benoit was just keeping the belt warm for the next champion, which is never a good thing.
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Post by dh03grad on Oct 29, 2009 14:59:27 GMT -5
Benoit was never WWE champion.
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Post by destrucity on Oct 29, 2009 15:15:38 GMT -5
In terms of work-rate, speed, mobility, and moves that looked credible, I hate to say this but due to his physical condition at the time, Andre the Giant had to have been the worst.
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Post by don on Oct 29, 2009 15:16:07 GMT -5
Benoit was never WWE champion. Honestly, to me, it's the same difference. |
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Oct 29, 2009 17:33:13 GMT -5
Austin always seems to get a free pass when it comes to playing backstage politics. When did Austin's backstage politicking ever affect the quality of Raw? |
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