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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 31, 2009 17:02:09 GMT -5
We're not going to win the league this year but as of right now we're one point off 4th place. Not exactly panic stations. That will be seven when Arsenal and Manchester City win their games in hand.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 31, 2009 17:04:06 GMT -5
We're not going to win the league this year but as of right now we're one point off 4th place. Not exactly panic stations. That will be seven when Arsenal and Manchester City win their games in hand. 6 points by my count.
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Post by Steveweiser on Oct 31, 2009 17:05:49 GMT -5
That will be seven when Arsenal and Manchester City win their games in hand. 6 points by my count. So it is.
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Post by stevieraymark on Oct 31, 2009 17:14:21 GMT -5
Another 4-0 win for the mighty blues away at the Reebok is a fantastic result. How anyone thinks Liverpool will be a top 4 side let alone challenging for the title is beyond me.Watch them crash out of europe midweek as well. They've been a Top 4 side every season for 8 out of the last 10 years so that's why people think that. They also finished above "the mighty Blues" last season if I recall, so the team who finishes runners-up is going to be seen as a viable challenge. Especially if they finished with (I think) the highest points total for a 2nd place team ever. The title challenge looked good on paper at the start of the season and then various injuries and inconsistency have knackered that. Not to mention the sale of Xabi Alonso. We're not going to win the league this year but as of right now we're one point off 4th place. Not exactly panic stations. The "mighty blues" you finished above last season spent until February with an absolutely clueless Gene Hackman look alike in charge, im just glad Guus managed to salvage anything last season so i wouldnt really be too happy about that. Yeah you're only one point off Tottenham who are 4th but (no offence to Tottenham fans ) i wouldnt be worried about them, its Manchester City who Liverpool should be watching. Both City and Liverpool are on equal points with City having played 2 games less. Liverpool just dont look dangerous enough aside from EL Nino or Stevie ME, Whereas City have a great little squad thats only going to go on and get better they have plenty of playesr capable of scoring goals and dont have the distraction of the Champions League to worry about, which lets face it if Liverpool stay in it it means Rafa will put even less importance on the league games (as shown today) which will hinder you even more. Wow that was long winded ;D
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 31, 2009 17:35:53 GMT -5
In fairness, he was unlucky today, but in reality he should have gone a long time ago. The guy is beyond useless at the top level. Ah I think Phil Brown is treated very harshly. He took over a Hull team near the bottom of the Championship and within 2 years took them up to the promised land of the Premiership and then if that wasn't enough then managed to keep them up. He hasn't had that much money and it isn't like they are miles adrift at the bottom this season. A few wins and they would shoot up the table. What do Hull fans expect? European football? Sometimes I think it is better for managers not to get teams promoted because it attracts new fans to the club who are only there because they are in the big time. Then when things are going wrong they boo and moan and managers who have worked miracles to get them promoted in the first place are sacked like Billy Davies at Derby or Mick McCarthy at Sunderland. On the whole I agree with you having seen it to a lesser extent at Reading (new mupppets who forget where we came from), even Curbishly wasn't safe at Charlton as he "only" finished mid table. However Hull's finances aren't good, they apparently have a 40m wage bill for a 40+ man squad, when you add that to the money spent on transfer fees it doesn't seem like it's sustainable for a club the size of Hull to spend that much money. I know Brown won't be fully responsible for the finances but if they're risking their future they need to stay up at the very least. www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Time-reality/article-1470767-detail/article.html
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 31, 2009 22:09:28 GMT -5
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 1, 2009 8:02:32 GMT -5
From the sounds of things Burnley have used up their seasons worth of luck in the space of one game. A dodgy penalty given in their favour. A Hull goal disallowed for seemingly no reason. A harsh sending off for Hull. Still time left of course but it looks like Phil Brown could be going, and how unlucky he will be. The "sounds of things" is completely wrong. I was at the game. I've seen all the incidents on TV. You'll think I'm bound to say this as I'm a Burnley fan, but I disagree with most of the issues. 1- Stonewall penalty. Hunt shoved Mears off balance, causing Mears' air-shot that sent him sprawling. Fact is, there's a shove, that's a penalty. Hunt's arm goes into Mears' back, Mears then swings and misses the ball and is upended. I've seen them given for less, and I guarantee had the match been say, Arsenal/Villa or somebody they'd have said clear-cut penalty. But portraying it as Hull being hard done by is more marketable. 2- Firstly, it wasn't a free kick in the first place as Hunt t5ripped over his own feet. Secondly, there was a shove by Olfinjana on Elliott in the wall, creating a gap. The ball passed OVER the gap, not through, but a) Elliot may have been able to jump to intercept had he not been shoved, and b) a shove is a shove-it occurred in front of the ball and thus is a foul. Whether it would have interfered with play I dunno- but off the ball incidents are still fouls. Disallowing it might be a bit harsh, but there was a shove, and there was never a foul for the free kick in the first place. 3- Blatant red card. Geovanni was already booked, slid in late and took Fletcher from behind. Accidental? Possibly. But again, it's still a foul. Elliott was booked in the first half for an identical incident. If Elliott hadn't been booked earlier I'd have said yeah- harsh, but fact is they are both identical incidents, both fouls, and as such Geovanni had to go. What the media are conveniently ignoring is 2 other htings. Firstly that we outplayed Hull from start to finish and could, if not should, have had more goals. Secondly, in extra time Guerrero was tripped over by the Hull defender, and the Hull player then kicked Guerrero in the shins. For me, that's another red card. The story that gets the most press and sells the best is c"Phil Brown was unlucky, poor poor Phil". The story that's the truth is Hull were outplayed regardless, and as far as I'm concerned the "bad decisions" weren't that bad at all. There was some truely exquisite play, especially in the first half, that never was aired oon the tV coverage. In particular an outstanding linkup between Eagles & Fletcher that put me in mind of Brazil. However, the most marketable story is "Hull hard done by, Phil's unlucky, when things are bad everything goes against you"/ And most of the so-called football analysis is just marketing these days. I've noticed it with a lot of games this season. Didn't happen much last season as the Championship isn't as easy to market, sicne if you're watching the coverage chances are you've seen the game in greater detail anyway so know the true story beforehand. And the reason Phil Brown is unpopular isn't because of where Hull finished- it's because he's incurred enormous debts at Hull City where if they stay up they owe around £20m, if they go down they owe around £30m. Plus is now being investigated by the FA as it's believed the sale of Turner to Sunderland, reported at £6m, may actually have been for as much as £12m and misreported in an effort to reduce selling-on fees owed to Charlton.
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Post by spagett on Nov 1, 2009 8:43:35 GMT -5
From the sounds of things Burnley have used up their seasons worth of luck in the space of one game. A dodgy penalty given in their favour. A Hull goal disallowed for seemingly no reason. A harsh sending off for Hull. Still time left of course but it looks like Phil Brown could be going, and how unlucky he will be. The "sounds of things" is completely wrong. I was at the game. I've seen all the incidents on TV. You'll think I'm bound to say this as I'm a Burnley fan, but I disagree with most of the issues. 1- Stonewall penalty. Hunt shoved Mears off balance, causing Mears' air-shot that sent him sprawling. Fact is, there's a shove, that's a penalty. Hunt's arm goes into Mears' back, Mears then swings and misses the ball and is upended. I've seen them given for less, and I guarantee had the match been say, Arsenal/Villa or somebody they'd have said clear-cut penalty. But portraying it as Hull being hard done by is more marketable. 2- Firstly, it wasn't a free kick in the first place as Hunt t5ripped over his own feet. Secondly, there was a shove by Olfinjana on Elliott in the wall, creating a gap. The ball passed OVER the gap, not through, but a) Elliot may have been able to jump to intercept had he not been shoved, and b) a shove is a shove-it occurred in front of the ball and thus is a foul. Whether it would have interfered with play I dunno- but off the ball incidents are still fouls. Disallowing it might be a bit harsh, but there was a shove, and there was never a foul for the free kick in the first place. 3- Blatant red card. Geovanni was already booked, slid in late and took Fletcher from behind. Accidental? Possibly. But again, it's still a foul. Elliott was booked in the first half for an identical incident. If Elliott hadn't been booked earlier I'd have said yeah- harsh, but fact is they are both identical incidents, both fouls, and as such Geovanni had to go. What the media are conveniently ignoring is 2 other htings. Firstly that we outplayed Hull from start to finish and could, if not should, have had more goals. Secondly, in extra time Guerrero was tripped over by the Hull defender, and the Hull player then kicked Guerrero in the shins. For me, that's another red card. The story that gets the most press and sells the best is c"Phil Brown was unlucky, poor poor Phil". The story that's the truth is Hull were outplayed regardless, and as far as I'm concerned the "bad decisions" weren't that bad at all. There was some truely exquisite play, especially in the first half, that never was aired oon the tV coverage. In particular an outstanding linkup between Eagles & Fletcher that put me in mind of Brazil. However, the most marketable story is "Hull hard done by, Phil's unlucky, when things are bad everything goes against you"/ And most of the so-called football analysis is just marketing these days. I've noticed it with a lot of games this season. Didn't happen much last season as the Championship isn't as easy to market, sicne if you're watching the coverage chances are you've seen the game in greater detail anyway so know the true story beforehand. And the reason Phil Brown is unpopular isn't because of where Hull finished- it's because he's incurred enormous debts at Hull City where if they stay up they owe around £20m, if they go down they owe around £30m. Plus is now being investigated by the FA as it's believed the sale of Turner to Sunderland, reported at £6m, may actually have been for as much as £12m and misreported in an effort to reduce selling-on fees owed to Charlton. The Sending off was harsh because he slipped but having seen it on TV Geovanni had to go because he went in from behind so fair enough. There is absolutely no way at all that the penalty was stonewall. The Burnley player just does an air shot, misses the ball and falls over. If Hunt brushing his shoulder lightly was enough to send him tumbling to the floor then Tyrone Mears has some serious problems. It was never in a million years a penalty. The worst of them all was the disallowed goal. It was something and nothing in the wall and the Burnley player was equally guilty of holding the Hull players shirt. To disallow a goal for that when it had nothing to do with the flight of the ball anyway is madness and it was an awful decision. It is funny how you go on about the media making it about Phil Brown being unlucky because it's more marketable yet a few months ago when I said the reason everyone seems to think Man Utd get away with murder is because the media choose to report it that way you didn't agree. It's clear we are never going to agree about these incidents so there is no point in carrying on the argument. The fact that Burnley deserved to win the game anyway means that yes Hull can't feel too sorry for themselves.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 1, 2009 8:51:35 GMT -5
Man U don't get away with murder all the time as the media says- but they do get away with things more than most. The free kick should nto have been a free kick in the first place. And as I say- we'll never know if not shoving Elliott would have affected the ball's flight. In any case it shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. And the penalty was a penalty. In fact here's a freezeframe of Hunt grabbing and shoving Mears BEFORE Mears has started to fall down.
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Post by Mattification on Nov 1, 2009 8:52:57 GMT -5
Dundee Utd vs Rangers abandoned at half time with Rangers a goal up at the time.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 1, 2009 8:54:06 GMT -5
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Post by spagett on Nov 1, 2009 8:54:38 GMT -5
Man U don't get away with murder all the time as the media says- but they do get away with things more than most. The free kick should nto have been a free kick in the first place. And as I say- we'll never know if not shoving Elliott would have affected the ball's flight. In any case it shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. And the penalty was a penalty. In fact here's a freezeframe of Hunt grabbing and shoving Mears BEFORE Mears has started to fall down. Total rubbish about Utd getting away with it more than most but if you want to carry on falling for that then fine. There really is no point arguing with you.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 1, 2009 9:02:02 GMT -5
Man U don't get away with murder all the time as the media says- but they do get away with things more than most. The free kick should nto have been a free kick in the first place. And as I say- we'll never know if not shoving Elliott would have affected the ball's flight. In any case it shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. And the penalty was a penalty. In fact here's a freezeframe of Hunt grabbing and shoving Mears BEFORE Mears has started to fall down. Total rubbish about Utd getting away with it more than most but if you want to carry on falling for that then fine. There really is no point arguing with you. I'm nto falling for it I've seen it with my own eyes. Burnley/United this season- 2 Burnley players were, quite rightly, booked for dissent when arguing with the referee. However, Man United players argued with the referee time after time and not one got booked. Rooney, with about 5 mins to go, smashed down Mears with a very rough foul. I've seen red cards given for them, he got a booking. And why is there no point arguing? I provided photo evidence of Hunt's push. I'll highlight it on the pic if you want. And as I say- the free kick that Hull scored from shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. I'm not blind to decisions, I don't always think Burnley are hard done by. We got stuffed by Wigan and rightly so. Got stuffed by Chelsea and rightly so. Bikey committed a very silly foul against Spurs and, on another day, might have been sent off. But I'm providing evidence and examples about why Hull weren't "robbed", yesterday.
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Post by Mattification on Nov 1, 2009 9:08:06 GMT -5
That photo is hardly conclusive. Kinda looks like the Burnley player is elbowing Hunt in the face. I'll wait til I see moving pictures before I pass any judgement as still images can be very misleading, especially when it comes to sports.
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Post by spagett on Nov 1, 2009 9:11:08 GMT -5
Total rubbish about Utd getting away with it more than most but if you want to carry on falling for that then fine. There really is no point arguing with you. I'm nto falling for it I've seen it with my own eyes. Burnley/United this season- 2 Burnley players were, quite rightly, booked for dissent when arguing with the referee. However, Man United players argued with the referee time after time and not one got booked. Rooney, with about 5 mins to go, smashed down Mears with a very rough foul. I've seen red cards given for them, he got a booking. And why is there no point arguing? I provided photo evidence of Hunt's push. I'll highlight it on the pic if you want. And as I say- the free kick that Hull scored from shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. I'm not blind to decisions, I don't always think Burnley are hard done by. We got stuffed by Wigan and rightly so. Got stuffed by Chelsea and rightly so. Bikey committed a very silly foul against Spurs and, on another day, might have been sent off. But I'm providing evidence and examples about why Hull weren't "robbed", yesterday. You can't use a picture to prove motion. That picture proves nothing and having seen it on tv in replays from different angles it isn't a push and so isn't a penalty.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 1, 2009 10:43:31 GMT -5
I've also seen it on replay from many angles, I still think there was a push.
I'm not saying the push directly sent Mears over. I'm saying the push offbalanced Mears resulting in the air-shot that sent him over- in any case if Hunt hadn't shoved Mears he wouldn't have gone down.
And that photo shows Hunt's left arm in contact with the left side of Mears' chest, before Mears has gone down. The fact that there's the contact then surely that means there's a push occuring, as moments later Mears is falling.
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Post by Red Lion on Nov 1, 2009 10:59:47 GMT -5
Apparently Leeds losing to us was only a blip, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that we've recently been on the form of our lives lately, no siree bob. We just beat Colchester 2-1 with our winner coming in the 93rd minute from a free kick, caused by a counterattack from their free kick which hit the crossbar, scored by the substitute who, when he came on, was booed due to him coming on for the Man of the Match. Also, it has been revealed that, no joke, some of the footage from the Millwall and West Ham "riots" were just clips from the hooligan film "The Firm" which were ceremoniously thrown around all the national news stations and police enquiries as legitimate footage. It truly is a beautiful game.
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Post by Red Lion on Nov 1, 2009 11:02:27 GMT -5
Man U don't get away with murder all the time as the media says- but they do get away with things more than most. The free kick should nto have been a free kick in the first place. And as I say- we'll never know if not shoving Elliott would have affected the ball's flight. In any case it shouldn't have been a free kick in the first place. And the penalty was a penalty. In fact here's a freezeframe of Hunt grabbing and shoving Mears BEFORE Mears has started to fall down. Total rubbish about Utd getting away with it more than most but if you want to carry on falling for that then fine. There really is no point arguing with you. **insert slippery pitch comment here** **insert "well this camera angle shows something that every other angle in circular motion doesn't show" comment here**
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Post by Mattification on Nov 1, 2009 11:29:51 GMT -5
And that photo shows Hunt's left arm in contact with the left side of Mears' chest, before Mears has gone down. The fact that there's the contact then surely that means there's a push occuring, as moments later Mears is falling. No, a picture showing a hand in contact with someones chest does not mean that a push is occurring. Not saying that the guy wasn't fouled, but that photo proves not a lot.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Nov 1, 2009 11:52:28 GMT -5
And that photo shows Hunt's left arm in contact with the left side of Mears' chest, before Mears has gone down. The fact that there's the contact then surely that means there's a push occuring, as moments later Mears is falling. No, a picture showing a hand in contact with someones chest does not mean that a push is occurring. Not saying that the guy wasn't fouled, but that photo proves not a lot. I suppose you;'re right about that. But I still believe it was a push and a foul. Hard decision but I think the ref got it right. And I can't work out who Red Lion's comment is directed at. I know it's in reply to spagett but I can't work out if it's making fun of me, spagett or the Arsenal camera debacle.
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