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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 1:46:22 GMT -5
Maleficent, uhh, I really have no idea. Been forever since I've seen Sleeping Beauty, she sticks out strongly to me due to Kingdom Hearts I don't know if she has a particular song, per say, but her plan was to put everyone to sleep for eternity because she didn't get invited to a party. Seriously... To be fair, to this day a lot of people think of her as the most frightening Disney villain, so apparently while she had some off motivations she clearly did something right. Besides, villains have never been known for being rational.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 14, 2009 6:27:32 GMT -5
Maleficent, uhh, I really have no idea. Been forever since I've seen Sleeping Beauty, she sticks out strongly to me due to Kingdom Hearts I don't know if she has a particular song, per say, but her plan was to put everyone to sleep for eternity because she didn't get invited to a party. Seriously... I sort of see it less like being upset about not being invited and missing the party, but because it was a slight towards her, given the other fairies were invited, and a "Who do you think you're messing with?" vibe. Chernabog being as memorable as he is amuses me since while he's great, he doesn't really DO anything bad. He throws a bitching party with demons and slinks away after hearing church bells.
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Post by Goldenbane on Dec 14, 2009 6:44:11 GMT -5
Maleficent, uhh, I really have no idea. Been forever since I've seen Sleeping Beauty, she sticks out strongly to me due to Kingdom Hearts I don't know if she has a particular song, per say, but her plan was to put everyone to sleep for eternity because she didn't get invited to a party. Seriously... To be fair to Maleficent, her plan wasn't to put everyone asleep because she didn't get invited to a birthday party...her plan was to KILL the infant who was celebrating said birthday. It wasn't until the third of the good fairies (who hadn't yet given Sleeping Beauty a magical gift yet) was able to alter Maleficent's spell to be sleep instead of death. Everyone else was put to sleep as per their request when the princess pricked her finger. Ultimately, Maleficent's plan was a lot more evil, psycho, and scary.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 14, 2009 9:16:14 GMT -5
I don't know if she has a particular song, per say, but her plan was to put everyone to sleep for eternity because she didn't get invited to a party. Seriously... To be fair, to this day a lot of people think of her as the most frightening Disney villain, so apparently while she had some off motivations she clearly did something right. Besides, villains have never been known for being rational. Off motivations? The fact that she was so irate at not being invited to the party is what makes her one of the most frightening villains. What's scarier, a guy who wants to beat you up because he wants money or a guy who wants to destroy you because you took the last doughnut?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 14, 2009 10:07:01 GMT -5
To be fair, to this day a lot of people think of her as the most frightening Disney villain, so apparently while she had some off motivations she clearly did something right. Besides, villains have never been known for being rational. Off motivations? The fact that she was so irate at not being invited to the party is what makes her one of the most frightening villains. What's scarier, a guy who wants to beat you up because he wants money or a guy who wants to destroy you because you took the last doughnut? I guess that's part of what made Greek gods worth paying homage to: if you failed to pay proper respects, or had the gall to be more handsome than them, the consequences could be staggering.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:13:32 GMT -5
The Fire from Bambi. It doesn't sing, it doesn't dance, it has no funny sidekicks. And when it shows up, just runaway. Not like it can grow and surround you. Especially in a forest.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 14, 2009 12:20:20 GMT -5
The Fire from Bambi. It doesn't sing, it doesn't dance, it has no funny sidekicks. And when it shows up, just runaway. Not like it can grow and surround you. Especially in a forest. It's all a swerve. Man never killed his mother, Fire pulled the trigger.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 14, 2009 13:15:47 GMT -5
Off motivations? The fact that she was so irate at not being invited to the party is what makes her one of the most frightening villains. What's scarier, a guy who wants to beat you up because he wants money or a guy who wants to destroy you because you took the last doughnut? I guess that's part of what made Greek gods worth paying homage to: if you failed to pay proper respects, or had the gall to be more handsome than them, the consequences could be staggering. Exactly, the fact that she gives a punishment so severe for something that's otherwise minor makes her a lot scarier. She's a sociopath!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2009 13:28:50 GMT -5
If only the Greek gods were regular, modern day people - we'd have the greatest reality show ever on our hands.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 14, 2009 14:21:34 GMT -5
"King" John in Robin Hood, mainly because he never scared me once. Disney's entire adaptation of Robin Hood in pretty much a bust for me, and I always found it sad that people remembered THAT movie and not Alice in Wonderland.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Dec 14, 2009 14:42:51 GMT -5
"King" John in Robin Hood, mainly because he never scared me once. Disney's entire adaptation of Robin Hood in pretty much a bust for me, and I always found it sad that people remembered THAT movie and not Alice in Wonderland. Alice in Wonderland seems to be fairly popular among Disney-philes, I think. As for their Robin Hood, I think that was always marketed as more or less a farce.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 14, 2009 17:37:54 GMT -5
"King" John in Robin Hood, mainly because he never scared me once. uh, not all Disney villains are supposed to be scary. was Hades supposed to be scary? no. was Yzma supposed to be scary? no. was Prince John supposed to be scary? no
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 14, 2009 17:48:09 GMT -5
"King" John in Robin Hood, mainly because he never scared me once. uh, not all Disney villains are supposed to be scary. was Hades supposed to be scary? no. was Yzma supposed to be scary? no. was Prince John supposed to be scary? no HADES, the Lord of the Underworld, who abducted his wife, forces people to drink from the Waters of Forgetfulness, and ruined the lives of dozens of mortal heroes, not scary? Oh wait, it was post-classic "camp" Disney, when everything was supposed to be kiddie. One of the main reason Scar was the best modern Disney villain was that they actually (gasp!) let him be evil and scary without the "think of the children" crap.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Dec 14, 2009 18:21:07 GMT -5
uh, not all Disney villains are supposed to be scary. was Hades supposed to be scary? no. was Yzma supposed to be scary? no. was Prince John supposed to be scary? no HADES, the Lord of the Underworld, who abducted his wife, forces people to drink from the Waters of Forgetfulness, and ruined the lives of dozens of mortal heroes, not scary? Oh wait, it was post-classic "camp" Disney, when everything was supposed to be kiddie. One of the main reason Scar was the best modern Disney villain was that they actually (gasp!) let him be evil and scary without the "think of the children" crap. Hades in the greek myths was never evil. He was serious about death but wasn't a devil or satan type. He did kidnap Persephone but he was love struck and that was no worse than what Zeus usually does with women. Waters of Forgetfulness was for the souls to forget their past for reincarnation. The heroes who encountered didn't like what they saw in the underworld but most were there to interfer with his death or for their own selfish reasons, like Theseus kidnapping Helen and his buddy trying to steal Hades wife. I think Posiedon has caused far more trouble to mortals, gods and heroes than Hades ever did in the myths. When did this post classic camp Disney era start? Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mulan, Tarzan, Atlantis: The Lost Empire were all evil with no camp to them. Hades was written in a comedic way because they hired James Woods and did their best to instill much of him into the character.
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Post by Cela on Dec 14, 2009 19:03:35 GMT -5
HADES, the Lord of the Underworld, who abducted his wife, forces people to drink from the Waters of Forgetfulness, and ruined the lives of dozens of mortal heroes, not scary? Oh wait, it was post-classic "camp" Disney, when everything was supposed to be kiddie. One of the main reason Scar was the best modern Disney villain was that they actually (gasp!) let him be evil and scary without the "think of the children" crap. Hades in the greek myths was never evil. He was serious about death but wasn't a devil or satan type. He did kidnap Persephone but he was love struck and that was no worse than what Zeus usually does with women. Waters of Forgetfulness was for the souls to forget their past for reincarnation. The heroes who encountered didn't like what they saw in the underworld but most were there to interfer with his death or for their own selfish reasons, like Theseus kidnapping Helen and his buddy trying to steal Hades wife. I think Posiedon has caused far more trouble to mortals, gods and heroes than Hades ever did in the myths. When did this post classic camp Disney era start? Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Mulan, Tarzan, Atlantis: The Lost Empire were all evil with no camp to them. Hades was written in a comedic way because they hired James Woods and did their best to instill much of him into the character. There is something to be said about a mythology when the woman-abducting Lord of the Underworld who sets out eternal punishments is the most redeemable character.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 14, 2009 20:10:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Cherborg looks cool. That's about it.
Maleficent is a the Queen of Disney Villians. Her name means "evil doer" in Latin. She commands an Army of Goblins, has a Crow as a famliar, is feared by basically everyone to a great extent, and her motivation is being slighted. I mean, think about it, how many other Disney films do the Heroes work for 17 years against a villian and still fail? None. She has the thornbush trick, and a sweet classical theme. She also turns into a Dragon. Who else can turn into a dragon? Madam Mim, but who can do it and not suck. And not just any dragon, but one incarnate of all the powers of hell. Can you even say that in a Disney film these days?
Gods in ancient myth represent the forces of nature, which are themselves cruel and capricious, as opposed to the modern view of gods as the ideal, as the best that humanity strives for. Jupiter is annoying because Thunder is annoying. Neptune is annoying and dangerous because the sea is annoying and dangerous. Odin is cruel and capricious because battle is cruel and capricious.
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Post by S-Chrome on Dec 14, 2009 20:21:09 GMT -5
I'll get taken to the cross for this but Gaston always struck me as one of the worst Disney villains of all time.
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Post by Cela on Dec 14, 2009 20:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Cherborg looks cool. That's about it. Maleficent is a the Queen of Disney Villians. Her name means "evil doer" in Latin. She commands an Army of Goblins, has a Crow as a famliar, is feared by basically everyone to a great extent, and her motivation is being slighted. I mean, think about it, how many other Disney films do the Heroes work for 17 years against a villian and still fail? None. She has the thornbush trick, and a sweet classical theme. She also turns into a Dragon. Who else can turn into a dragon? Madam Mim, but who can do it and not suck. And not just any dragon, but one incarnate of all the powers of hell. Can you even say that in a Disney film these days? Gods in ancient myth represent the forces of nature, which are themselves cruel and capricious, as opposed to the modern view of gods as the ideal, as the best that humanity strives for. Jupiter is annoying because Thunder is annoying. Neptune is annoying and dangerous because the sea is annoying and dangerous. Odin is cruel and capricious because battle is cruel and capricious. Did Odin eally ever do anything cruel and capricious? Sure he killed himself repeatedly, but did he ever actually do anything major to others?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 14, 2009 21:51:30 GMT -5
Chernabog looks awesome and has incredible music, yes, but he's also backed up by years and years of Eastern European lore. Fantasia was just a glimpse into the myth.
Besides, he IS the top of an entire mountain, that's pretty damned intimidating.
But as for "lame", you have to look at each film independently of one another; I mean, it'd be pretty weak to compare a villain like Maleficent to one like Ratigan in The Great Mouse Detective, since one was meant to be supernatural and powerful, and the other more a conniving schemer (albeit an anthropomorphic one).
Just so, you can't compare humorous villains and serious ones, either, since they're meant to be viewed differently and to fulfill different roles. Prince John is fantastic in his role, but he's a complete wimp, and not a direct physical threat, as opposed to somebody like Jafar.
In terms of lame, I may have to go with Radcliffe from Pocahontas. A true douche, to be sure, but he never really did much for me.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 14, 2009 22:04:44 GMT -5
That, and Keith David can do no wrong. Scar was not a lame villain, but I do think he's not as strong a villain as some of the others. I think he gets a pass on that for having a phenomenal voice actor in Jeremy Irons, along with the fact it's a solid movie with a lot of good musical numbers. That's the thing about being a Disney villain: how good is your song? Gaston? Great villain, with a fantastic song. Jafar, same. Maleficent, uhh, I really have no idea. Been forever since I've seen Sleeping Beauty, she sticks out strongly to me due to Kingdom Hearts. Frollo? Kind of crappy film, but a good villain with an amazing song. I like Scar because he's pretty much Claudius from Hamlet. And I like Hamlet. Claudius was an intriguing villain. I don't know if you were referencing this, but The Lion King is a retelling of Hamlet. So, it's not surprising that Scar seems a lot like Claudius. Also, on the Maleficent kick...she can turn into a freakin' dragon. That beats pretty much everyone.
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