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Post by salsashark on Nov 6, 2009 11:28:10 GMT -5
For those who hate it, do you really remember what Raw was like before it? Boring, boring, boring--super-stale/predictable. Hell, at least now you get funny flubs/an occasional brilliant moment (like the Dusty Rhodes Shockmaster moment, which wouldn't have happened otherwise) as opposed to weeks of GM mediocrity. The GM concept is boring in itself, yes, but better these strangers than old hands who do nothing to spice up the show. As soon as the Guest GM run ends, it will be back to the dull way of doing things.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Nov 6, 2009 11:29:26 GMT -5
To mutilate an old Churchill Quote: "The Guest GM is the worst form of booking, except for all the others"
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Nov 6, 2009 11:45:21 GMT -5
After the first host, it ran its course.
It is a horrible idea.
Nominate it for Wrestlecrap.
Just put two in its computer and one in its heart and be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 11:53:27 GMT -5
That's who the WWE is trying to hook with this angle. To rephrase: if a non-wrestling fan thinks it's stupid, what difference does it make when they didn't watch wrestling anyways? They've kept their ratings against MNF so the guest host thing has to have some merit since the booking hasn't really changed. The difference it makes is that those are people who could become interested in the show enough to begin watching. They bother to hear bits and pieces of what's going on, but they're not really hooked into it yet. And the guest host thing is generally considered by them to be pretty inane and not entertaining. It's interesting to note that most of their issues seem to stem from the fact that there's not more wrestling going on, so by shaving off the guest hosts, there's a better chance of getting that AS LONG as they don't go back to the old routine of having promos that lasted half an hour opening up the show. It's not as if the Guest Hosts are the problem, but they're one of the things holding Raw back from being a better, more wrestling-oriented show. And as long as they do various things--this included--to suppress the amount of actual wrestling, then it's just not going to have the chance to be as credible of a show. Unless we get a string of really kickass hosts, but I don't think that's going to ever happen. |
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 6, 2009 12:18:36 GMT -5
Freddie Prinze Jr for permanent RAW GM
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Nov 6, 2009 12:29:26 GMT -5
To rephrase: if a non-wrestling fan thinks it's stupid, what difference does it make when they didn't watch wrestling anyways? They've kept their ratings against MNF so the guest host thing has to have some merit since the booking hasn't really changed. The difference it makes is that those are people who could become interested in the show enough to begin watching. They bother to hear bits and pieces of what's going on, but they're not really hooked into it yet. And the guest host thing is generally considered by them to be pretty inane and not entertaining. It's interesting to note that most of their issues seem to stem from the fact that there's not more wrestling going on, so by shaving off the guest hosts, there's a better chance of getting that AS LONG as they don't go back to the old routine of having promos that lasted half an hour opening up the show. It's not as if the Guest Hosts are the problem, but they're one of the things holding Raw back from being a better, more wrestling-oriented show. And as long as they do various things--this included--to suppress the amount of actual wrestling, then it's just not going to have the chance to be as credible of a show. Unless we get a string of really kickass hosts, but I don't think that's going to ever happen. I'm like some actual statistics here since "everyone I've talked to" is a pretty vague term. I just don't understand the fuss. Even with the guest hosts taking up time on the show to pimp their latest movie or what have you (though usually no more than a couple minutes) I think the shows have been better than what they were doing earlier this year. There's been good wrestling, upcoming guys getting pushes, funny moments, etc. Of course that's all subjective since I'm generally entertained by Santino's weekly interactions with the hosts, and I usually find the hosts range from tolerable to beneficial to the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2009 13:00:57 GMT -5
The difference it makes is that those are people who could become interested in the show enough to begin watching. They bother to hear bits and pieces of what's going on, but they're not really hooked into it yet. And the guest host thing is generally considered by them to be pretty inane and not entertaining. It's interesting to note that most of their issues seem to stem from the fact that there's not more wrestling going on, so by shaving off the guest hosts, there's a better chance of getting that AS LONG as they don't go back to the old routine of having promos that lasted half an hour opening up the show. It's not as if the Guest Hosts are the problem, but they're one of the things holding Raw back from being a better, more wrestling-oriented show. And as long as they do various things--this included--to suppress the amount of actual wrestling, then it's just not going to have the chance to be as credible of a show. Unless we get a string of really kickass hosts, but I don't think that's going to ever happen. I'm like some actual statistics here since "everyone I've talked to" is a pretty vague term. I just don't understand the fuss. Even with the guest hosts taking up time on the show to pimp their latest movie or what have you (though usually no more than a couple minutes) I think the shows have been better than what they were doing earlier this year. There's been good wrestling, upcoming guys getting pushes, funny moments, etc. Of course that's all subjective since I'm generally entertained by Santino's weekly interactions with the hosts, and I usually find the hosts range from tolerable to beneficial to the show. It's not as if I surveyed people and conducted a top-to-bottom scientific experiment about the Guest Hosts, so no, I don't really have statistics to back it up. I suppose I could go out and do that, but that'd be pretty time-consuming and awkward to deal with. There's definitely been some good wrestling going on, I'm not going to deny that. Take last week when Kofi and Jericho went at it after the opening segment. I personally loved that match, the crowd was into it and the feedback about it seems pretty positive. It's just that the guest hosts are more often than not relatively peripheral, but with a segment or two that burns a lot of time and takes away from their chances to do other things, namely dedicating more time to other matches or giving promo time to some lower-level guys who might really need it. I don't think the idea in and of itself is terrible, but I also think they're really not pulling it off well most of the time. And I also think that it's going to catch up to them sooner or later, because most feedback (outside of this board) that I hear about the guest hosts is that it's not good. |
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 6, 2009 15:43:32 GMT -5
I'm going along with it just for the fact that eventually they'll get The Rock to do it to promote a new movie, and it'll be the greatest episode of RAW in a loooooong time. What if his agents dont want him to host as the Rock, but as Duane Johnson? |
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Post by PKO on Nov 6, 2009 16:16:24 GMT -5
I'm sick of certain aspects of the whole "guest host" stuff. First of all, a lot of the hosts look like they don't have a clue about anything going on in the WWE, probably because they don't. I don't wanna see some C-list US celebrity who has no clue about wrestling try and pretend they do. It's awkward to watch. I'm sick of the hosts being buddies with DX. I'm sick of Y2J and Big Show getting in a confrontation with the hosts. I'm sick of Kelly/Eve/Random Diva standing backstage with them and plugging whatever it is they need plugging. I'm sick of MVP and Mark Henry getting put in six man tag matches. I'm sick of Hornswoggle and Santino meeting the hosts in "comical" fashion.
Ideally, I want this guest host thing to end soon. It's gotten stale and repetitive. Have the Rock host it, then assign a permanent GM.
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Post by slashandburn on Nov 6, 2009 19:00:06 GMT -5
It's a big part of why I don't watch Raw anymore.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 6, 2009 20:19:54 GMT -5
For those who hate it, do you really remember what Raw was like before it? Boring, boring, boring--super-stale/predictable. Most of that hasn't changed a bit for me. It's not that I hate the concept intrinsically, Barker was great and Shaq was quite good, but it's as stale as anything they were doing before now. I'll give you the Shockmaster thing, that was hilarious, but that skit coulda been done with Dusty even w/out the guest host thing. It's not as if he's not there anyway. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 6, 2009 20:22:10 GMT -5
Plus, putting Kevin James or whoever in charge for a night isn't gonna bring in any 'casual' fans. Those fans are long gone.
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Post by Above Average on Nov 6, 2009 21:11:47 GMT -5
It's silly really.
What better way to bring in new fans than to make sure the guest host who is there for one week to hype something, and who doesn't give a toss about the product gets put over like they are amazing? Nevermind building up characters, dedicating time to matches or creating storylines!
The GMs constantly get names of people wrong - I think this shows how little they care.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 6, 2009 21:15:34 GMT -5
Though in fairness to them, why would they care? If I had nothing to do with the product other than that week, I might try to do my best to make sure I got everything right, but if I flubbed a name or two, wouldn't bother me that much.
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Post by Above Average on Nov 6, 2009 21:17:39 GMT -5
Indeed.
I'm gonna get called Smarky McSmarkington, but these people are keeping talented people off TV. Whether that be those that are having to make way from Raw entirely, or people being kept in FCW due to lack of spots for them. And of course, people who are ON Raw get stuck in congested matches, short matches or crappy "comedy" skits with the GM every week. It really is crap.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2009 11:14:59 GMT -5
The only people on Raw who've gotten totally lost in the shuffle are Festus, the Colons, and Noble, and even then Primo gets his time to shine on occasion, so don't really think you can do much to say it's taking time away from guys on the roster.
Really, if anything, I could live without the weekly 20-30 minutes of Jericho and Show. That seems to be a much bigger waste of time, especially this week's show and during the Cryme Tyme feud where there was absolutely no reason to even have them on Raw.
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