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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 6, 2009 17:34:28 GMT -5
That's because it is a Fireman's carry slam. I don't see how it's any worse of a finisher than the Rock Bottom or any other slam moves. Cena doesn't just shrug the guy off his shoulders like he did when he first started doing the move. He gets them up quite a bit before slamming them down.
I like the GTS but it's really really dependent on who is taking it.
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Post by Lionheart on Nov 6, 2009 17:47:48 GMT -5
Sean O'Haire's Widowmaker was better than the FU/AA.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Nov 6, 2009 17:50:54 GMT -5
In Kayfabe terms this is how I'd look at them...
G2S - Guy falls from 6 feet with no support face first in to a knee which is supposed to be coming towards him.
AA - Guy falls 6 feet flat onto his back.
The difference between the AA and things like Rock Bottom is with those the opponent was seen to have been 'driven' or 'drilled' into the mat. It's pretty much the difference between the AA and a standard DVD, the lack of drilling/driven motion by the person performing the move. I thought the widowmaker was lame as well.
It doesn't really matter though, you could pull off pretty much any move this side of a Lacey Von Erich Iron Claw and if you pin/submit enough people with it there's a good chance it'll get over. Hell Chris Masters bought back a Full freakin' Nelson as a finisher.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 6, 2009 18:23:54 GMT -5
The FU is okay. There isn't anything particularly remarkable or special about it, but it does the job in WWE land I guess.
Its more that its built up as such a strong move when in reality it doesn't look that impressive. If it was used more like the Angle Slam, where it was just a signature move that SOMETIMES got the pin but most of the time was just used to set up the submission or kicked out of, I would be cooler with it.
Its just that its treated like a death move, but it doesn't look nearly as impressive as a Tombstone, Pedigree, etc.
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Post by Big L on Nov 6, 2009 18:27:23 GMT -5
It's because Kenta does it....lol sorry I had to do it
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Post by slashandburn on Nov 6, 2009 18:47:43 GMT -5
There's not a lot of difference between the FU and the Rock Bottom, but when the Rock used the Rock Bottom he was actually driving them into the mat. When Cena does the FU it looks like he's just placing them back down on the mat, with barely any impact at all. As people have stated, it's a move without a lot of impact that is sold to us as instant death.
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Post by drumnfool on Nov 7, 2009 1:57:26 GMT -5
a lot of wrestlers ive worked with refuse to use the fu in any match. and im quoting, they say "its to gay". they dont like to use it. when i bring it up in a move set, not as a finisher, but as a move. everyone one on the indy scene wants no part of that move. there is no impact they say. finisher or impact. completely unbelievable to use.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 7, 2009 1:58:56 GMT -5
Why would they use the FU in a match?
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Post by barley96 on Nov 7, 2009 2:00:19 GMT -5
Rey Mysterio legitimately got his nose busted open from the GTS. I haven't seen the FU do anything of the kind. The Attitude Adjustment broke one of Kenzo Suzuki's ribs once. The wrestler is taking his own bump for the FU with the lazy way Cena executes it. Not for the GTS. |
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Post by Lionheart on Nov 7, 2009 2:01:46 GMT -5
Why would they use the FU in a match? Yes, exactly. ;D |
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 7, 2009 2:02:00 GMT -5
Because KENTA does it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 7, 2009 2:03:11 GMT -5
Isn't it TAKA (in all caps) now? What's the protocol for that, anyway? I see KENTA written like that sometimes, and have always wondered why. I think it has to do with how it is written in Japan. I remember seeing KENTA written in letters instead of Japanese caligraphy. Same with Taka. There are a few other wrestlers too. I assume it's not really about caps but about being written different alltogether. My understanding was that when a Japanese wrestler turns heel, the ultimate way to demonstrate that was to use Roman script rather than the traditional Japanese script. They use all capitals for emphasis. |
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 7, 2009 2:03:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most guys land on their feet before taking the GTS and are completely safe before they sell the knee.
Breaking a nose isn't exactly a sign of a great move.
What would make Cena's execution less "lazy"? I genuinely want to know. He already throws them down. There's not much else to do with it.
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Post by barley96 on Nov 7, 2009 2:08:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most guys land on their feet before taking the GTS and are completely safe before they sell the knee. Breaking a nose isn't exactly a sign of a great move. You are right, but someone getting their nose broken is entertaining. |
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Post by Peeetah on Nov 7, 2009 2:09:31 GMT -5
I think the FU looks pretty powerful, its like one of the only things I like about Cena.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Nov 7, 2009 2:10:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure most guys land on their feet before taking the GTS and are completely safe before they sell the knee. Breaking a nose isn't exactly a sign of a great move. You are right, but someone getting their nose broken is entertaining. Seriously? Now I know wrestling "ain't ballet" and all but...That's kinda sick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2009 2:14:31 GMT -5
a lot of wrestlers ive worked with refuse to use the fu in any match. and im quoting, they say "its to gay". they dont like to use it. when i bring it up in a move set, not as a finisher, but as a move. everyone one on the indy scene wants no part of that move. there is no impact they say. finisher or impact. completely unbelievable to use. The irony in this statement is that they say it ''Looks Gay'' yet there the guys in Spandex |
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Post by Lionheart on Nov 7, 2009 2:16:49 GMT -5
I think it has to do with how it is written in Japan. I remember seeing KENTA written in letters instead of Japanese caligraphy. Same with Taka. There are a few other wrestlers too. I assume it's not really about caps but about being written different alltogether. My understanding was that when a Japanese wrestler turns heel, the ultimate way to demonstrate that was to use Roman script rather than the traditional Japanese script. They use all capitals for emphasis. That makes sense. The gaijin were always the heels in the early days of puro, after all. |
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Post by Ralnathane on Nov 7, 2009 5:08:47 GMT -5
I like to think of it like this: FU = Knock the wind out G2S = Knock the f*** out This... AND BECAUSE KENTA DOES IT! |
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Post by slashandburn on Nov 7, 2009 5:56:09 GMT -5
a lot of wrestlers ive worked with refuse to use the fu in any match. and im quoting, they say "its to gay". they dont like to use it. when i bring it up in a move set, not as a finisher, but as a move. everyone one on the indy scene wants no part of that move. there is no impact they say. finisher or impact. completely unbelievable to use. |
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