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Post by CrazySting on Nov 20, 2009 17:47:27 GMT -5
Angle has talked badly about HHH before. He told a story once about telling Stephanie he thought she pushed HHH more because of their relationship, and her going completely crazy.
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Post by Error on Nov 20, 2009 17:49:14 GMT -5
So Vince is the devil, Steph is his demon seed and, Trips his henchman of doom. Never mind the people who left WWE call Steph a saint, she is evil. Never mind Steiner and Angle where drugged up and broken down most of their run in WWE, Trips is insecure. Good to know.' Sfuff about Vince is hard to believe though, I'll give them that. Heyman has defended Stephaie in the past. So, have several ex-divas. It's clearly not Stephanie= evil. However, that doesn't explain many of the ex wwe writers (like Dan Madigan and Dr Ranjan Chhibber) who have went on record about her being difficult. Or the numerous ex-employess who have said the same. RE: HHH. Foley, Brock, RVD, Jericho, Matt Hardy, Angle, Steiner and Kennedy have all talked about him abusing his power. Are some of them angry? Sure. But they can't all be lying to make him look bad, can they? It's not black and white. But when you have all these people lining up to criticise...yeah, there are problems there. Steph is going to carry out her Dad's plans and, catches just as much crap as the others from other reports so to do crap like this in front of him to keep him happy wouldn't surprise me. As for those against Trips RVD can say all he wants however he proved Trips right, Hardy said his in his "I hate WWE period" I would guess and, Kennedy is bitter. As for Jericho, Foley and Brock, never heard their's so I cannot say. However, as long as he is in power people are going to take shots at him, especially when it "get them over" with the net. Is he a great guy, I don't know but, I seriously doubt he is this evil manipulator that people want to think he his,
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 20, 2009 17:51:04 GMT -5
This just settles it. The WWE needs a reality show about what goes on behind the scenes between the McMahons & everybody else. With the sure-fire drama involving the higher-ups and the seemingly juvenile happenings between the wrestlers, it could be HUGE.
Father vs. Son! Brother vs. Sister! Husband & Wife vs. Everybody! Boss vs. Employees! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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Post by Error on Nov 20, 2009 17:52:44 GMT -5
So Vince is the devil, Steph is his demon seed and, Trips his henchman of doom. Never mind the people who left WWE call Steph a saint, she is evil. Never mind Steiner and Angle where drugged up and broken down most of their run in WWE, Trips is insecure. Good to know.' Sfuff about Vince is hard to believe though, I'll give them that. Kurt Angle in his shoot interview said nothing bad about Triple H, and I think that's a pretty low blow on Angle and Steiner. How else would you describe them? Steiner was and is a walking car wreck and, his WWE run has suffered because he was broken down and Angle (whom I mentioned because he was brought up in the article) has admitted to being a drugged up mess.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 20, 2009 17:54:41 GMT -5
Heyman has defended Stephaie in the past. So, have several ex-divas. It's clearly not Stephanie= evil. However, that doesn't explain many of the ex wwe writers (like Dan Madigan and Dr Ranjan Chhibber) who have went on record about her being difficult. Or the numerous ex-employess who have said the same. RE: HHH. Foley, Brock, RVD, Jericho, Matt Hardy, Angle, Steiner and Kennedy have all talked about him abusing his power. Are some of them angry? Sure. But they can't all be lying to make him look bad, can they? It's not black and white. But when you have all these people lining up to criticise...yeah, there are problems there. Steph is going to carry out her Dad's plans and, catches just as much crap as the others from other reports so to do crap like this in front of him to keep him happy wouldn't surprise me. Maybe. But you're still not supposed to act like that in a professional enviroment. That's what H.R are for. Going through everyone on the list and saying "they don't count because of this reason" is the wrong idea. Being pissed off, doesn't mean it's not true. And if they're all saying it...yes, there's some validity there. Especially with Jericho and Foley who are very reasonable guys and not likely to lash out. Likewise, Brock was done with WWE by the time he did the interview, and had no reason to lie. RE: RVD. Ultimately HHH was right. However, unless he had a crystal ball, he didn't know he would get caught with pot. And that's a weird reason to depush talent: "Hey, in a few years this guy could get arrested....let's not push him." (unless its like a jeff hardy situation, but RVD in 2002 was not known as a troublemaker or anyone likely to get arrested.)
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Post by Tapout on Nov 20, 2009 17:56:01 GMT -5
Guys, the whole OP is a giant chunk of smarkbait. I know Meltzer tries to be reliable, and he's probably giving the accounts of his "insider" contacts more or less verbatim, but try reading between the lines. The "insiders," if they even are/were true "insiders" clearly had an agenda. The big long account from the "former writer" clearly hated Gerwitz's guts and probably skewed his account to serve his own outlook.
The REAL story here is that apparently, Meltzer also refers to "Big" Dave as Basketball Jones.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 20, 2009 17:56:54 GMT -5
Guys, the whole OP is a giant chunk of smarkbait. I know Meltzer tries to be reliable, and he's probably giving the accounts of his "insider" contacts more or less verbatim, but try reading between the lines. The "insiders," if they even are/were true "insiders" clearly had an agenda. The big long account from the "former writer" clearly hated Gerwitz's guts and probably skewed his account to serve his own outlook. The REAL story here is that apparently, Meltzer also refers to "Big" Dave as Basketball Jones. Meltzer didn't write either article.
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Post by Tapout on Nov 20, 2009 17:58:03 GMT -5
Guys, the whole OP is a giant chunk of smarkbait. I know Meltzer tries to be reliable, and he's probably giving the accounts of his "insider" contacts more or less verbatim, but try reading between the lines. The "insiders," if they even are/were true "insiders" clearly had an agenda. The big long account from the "former writer" clearly hated Gerwitz's guts and probably skewed his account to serve his own outlook. The REAL story here is that apparently, Meltzer also refers to "Big" Dave as Basketball Jones. Meltzer didn't write either article. That would make the quotes even more suspect.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 20, 2009 17:58:25 GMT -5
Guys, the whole OP is a giant chunk of smarkbait. I know Meltzer tries to be reliable, and he's probably giving the accounts of his "insider" contacts more or less verbatim, but try reading between the lines. The "insiders," if they even are/were true "insiders" clearly had an agenda. The big long account from the "former writer" clearly hated Gerwitz's guts and probably skewed his account to serve his own outlook. The REAL story here is that apparently, Meltzer also refers to "Big" Dave as Basketball Jones. ![](http://i44.tinypic.com/21jprv4.jpg)
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Post by Error on Nov 20, 2009 18:01:39 GMT -5
Steph is going to carry out her Dad's plans and, catches just as much crap as the others from other reports so to do crap like this in front of him to keep him happy wouldn't surprise me. Maybe. But you're still not supposed to act like that in a professional enviroment. That's what H.R are for. True but, when you own a company you make your own rules. I am not saying it's right, just it is what it is. Going through everyone on the list and saying "they don't count because of this reason" is the wrong idea. Being pissed off, doesn't mean it's not true. And if they're all saying it...yes, there's some validity there. Especially with Jericho and Foley who are very reasonable guys and not likely to lash out. Likewise, Brock was done with WWE by the time he did the interview, and had no reason to lie.[/quote] Again, I have never heard Foley, Brock or Jericho so I cannot speak on them. Maybe they have valid points, I don't know. The others though all came at a time where they were either bitter toward WWE or still don't see why they were punished. I am just saying that when the basis of an argument comes from people with an agenda, I tend to give it less sway. You didn't need a crystal ball to see the injuries he cause when he crushed Trips' throat or nearly broke several people's orbital bones. Plus when he was openly advocating acts against the law, it's damn easy to argue he cannot be trusted.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 20, 2009 18:07:37 GMT -5
Kurt Angle in his shoot interview said nothing bad about Triple H, and I think that's a pretty low blow on Angle and Steiner. How else would you describe them? Steiner was and is a walking car wreck and, his WWE run has suffered because he was broken down and Angle (whom I mentioned because he was brought up in the article) has admitted to being a drugged up mess. By walking car wreck, he has physical problems with injuries and such, and he's very outspoken and I do disagree with him, I'm not sure what you would mean by walking car wreck though. And with Angle, just because a guy is on drugs, which he was throughout his career, doesn't mean he ever got clean and made many of those comments after he got clean. He can still have an opinion. Just because someone took pain pills, doesn't mean they just say jibberish. And again, Angle seemed complimentive of Triple H, called him a great ring general and a hard worker. But Angle also thinks of wrestling in the long term, and what's going to be good and bad for the future. He said that he would have liked to continue the angle with Triple H, because he felt it got a good reaction, but the WWE wanted him to win the belt. Maybe he felt that Stephanie was over pushing Triple H, and Angle was looking at the big picture. And you are shooting everyone's opinion down pretty badly, like, what was said in the article, a lot of the things were wrong and overblown, but that doesn't mean that some weren't. In 03, what happened with Booker T and The Hurricane was blatently obvious. And with Mr. Kennedy, in his shoot, he talked about how Triple H didn't like him based on Shawn Michaels not liking the way he worked, which Kennedy confronted him about. He didn't sound like this bitter person. Just because people have issues with Triple H, doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong. Sometimes, like with RVD, people had different opinions. My personal opinion of Triple H is based around things people say. An example was given by a fan at a Bret Hart Q&A. He brought a sign, Bret Hart is the best. Howard Finkle complimented it, Lance Storm gave a thumbs up to the sign, and Triple H yelled at the fan and told him off. And the video of Beyond the Mat of Triple H, at times bragging about it, then was saying he had nothing to do with it. Now, that can also be contrasted with putting over Shelton Benjiman the first time around, putting over Chris Benoit clean, putting over Batista clean 3 times, putting over Flair clean in the cage, putting over Cena clean at Wrestlemania. But you can't just close your eyes and ignore burying Hurricane after the feud with The Rock, burying Booker T around Wrestlemania 19, burying Legacy, burying Chris Masters. The issues with Chris Jericho are definitely debatable though. So with Triple H, it is an odd case, because on one hand, there's so much evidence to him being insecure (Chyna claimed he was jealous of The Rock, but you can take that however you wanted, but certainly the burial of Hurricane after his feud with The Rock certainly helps give proof to that), but there's also evidence of him helping people's careers, including currently being the training partner of Sheamus.
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Post by Krimzon on Nov 20, 2009 18:10:04 GMT -5
Let's not bring Booker T into this. I was having a good day without thinking about 2003.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 20, 2009 18:14:10 GMT -5
Meltzer didn't write either article. That would make the quotes even more suspect. Why? The author in question does, definitely have sources (many of them went on the record for the examination he did of the creative team a while back.) But for this article, most of the comments were off the record. That's that's how most of these in- depth stories are written. For example if you hear about a politcian's campaign going badly, it's always be "a source in the campaign" because no-one wants to be outed as speaking badly about their boss. I agree that people can have agendas, but when the negative stories keep cropping up, it's not just " a conspiracy to make HHH and Stephanie look bad."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2009 18:21:22 GMT -5
I loved the part in the Triple H article when it claimed that Triple H tried to prevent Kurt Angle winning the title by saying he was to small in which Gerry Brisco replied, "well, what do you think would happen if you guys fought for real?"
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Nov 20, 2009 18:23:42 GMT -5
Speaking of Kurt Angle, that was in his cuckoo phase when he took shots at HHH.
And as for Austin's heel turn, in his autobiography, it was HIS (i.e., Austin's) idea.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 20, 2009 18:25:18 GMT -5
I really hope Shane buys into UFC and becomes even more successful and sticks it to Vince.
Everything I have ever heard about him from shoot interviews and articles paints him as a really cool, nice guy. Not so much with Vince. Definite props to him for going his own way and hopefully he ends up being successful outside of wrestling.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 20, 2009 18:25:46 GMT -5
That comment about Funaki was uncalled for! ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png)
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 20, 2009 18:47:17 GMT -5
What I think is funny is a couple main eventers dont like Kennedy and he gets fired, but nobody defends him and everyone says hes deluded and bitter since John Cena, Orton, and HHH all dont like him. If all those guys have a problem with him they must be right!
Yet all of these people say this stuff about HHH and for some reason this principle doesn't apply to him, they are all just bitter hasbeens or people who couldn't draw.
Sure.
Keep in mind Im not defending Kennedy either [dont like him], just pointing out that people on here and within the IWC will cherry pick evidence to support or refute any argument/rumor they like or dislike.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 20, 2009 18:53:32 GMT -5
What I think is funny is a couple main eventers dont like Kennedy and he gets fired, but nobody defends him and everyone says hes deluded and bitter since John Cena, Orton, and HHH all dont like him. If all those guys have a problem with him they must be right! Yet all of these people say this stuff about HHH and for some reason this principle doesn't apply to him, they are all just bitter hasbeens or people who couldn't draw. Sure. Keep in mind Im not defending Kennedy either [dont like him], just pointing out that people on here and within the IWC will cherry pick evidence to support or refute any argument/rumor they like or dislike. Except we all saw Kennedy botch moves and be noticably difficult to wrestle with. Therefore, it's probably true that everyone disliked wrestling with him, and he's deluded about them all conspiring to hold him down. Everyone having it in for HHH, "just for the sake of it" is a bit more difficult to believe, though.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 20, 2009 19:09:49 GMT -5
What I think is funny is a couple main eventers dont like Kennedy and he gets fired, but nobody defends him and everyone says hes deluded and bitter since John Cena, Orton, and HHH all dont like him. If all those guys have a problem with him they must be right! Yet all of these people say this stuff about HHH and for some reason this principle doesn't apply to him, they are all just bitter hasbeens or people who couldn't draw. Sure. Keep in mind Im not defending Kennedy either [dont like him], just pointing out that people on here and within the IWC will cherry pick evidence to support or refute any argument/rumor they like or dislike. Except we all saw Kennedy botch moves and be noticably difficult to wrestle with. Therefore, it's probably true that everyone disliked wrestling with him, and he's deluded about them all conspiring to hold him down. Everyone having it in for HHH, "just for the sake of it" is a bit more difficult to believe, though. Well I agree on the Kennedy thing and also see why those guys had a problem with him. I also think a lot of this HHH stuff is true as well. When that many people have bad things to say about you, perhaps not everything is true but there is some truth somewhere. More than a lot of HHH fans would like to admit, so they say oh all these guys are just jealous. Maybe some of them are but guys like Rock have no reason to be and still speak ill of HHH. If anything all the proof you need that HHH is a schemer and a dick is the fact that he was caught on tape lying and saying he knew nothing about Bret being screwed but years later has himself retconned that into he SUGGESTED THE IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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