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Post by machomuta on Nov 21, 2009 13:19:17 GMT -5
Vince and steph are total trash. We have known this for a long time We dont know shit. We only have testimonies from anonymous(bitter) 'ex-WWE employees'
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 21, 2009 13:22:42 GMT -5
How does one know these people are bitter?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 21, 2009 13:25:15 GMT -5
How does one know these people are bitter? Because it makes it easier to discount their accounts. Bitter automatically equals "bias", and percieved bias makes it ridiculously easy to throw any number of corroborating accounts to the wind as long as all of those sources are "bitter".
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Post by Melissalicious on Nov 21, 2009 13:32:25 GMT -5
I agree with those before who've said the truth lies somewhere in the middle, particularly with Stephanie and Triple H. I've seen tons of accounts from either side of the argument over those two: Steph's terrible, Steph's just as horrible as her father ... or, She's calm, she's polite. Triple H is insecure and guards his throne to the death, keeping up-and-comers down. Triple H loves this business and is willing to help and is out for nothing but the betterment of the company.
I think alot of people and journalists tend to exaggerate the negative. I'm not saying it's all false in any way, but what would YOU rather read?
"One time, Vince got kind of pissed and griped at Shane over in a corner during a meeting."
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"Vince totally blew up at Shane in front of EVERYONE in a meeting and was like, 'GODDAMN IT, SHANE!' Then Shane stormed out and Stephanie and Triple H were cackling gleefully as he left."
I do believe moreso the comments about Vince. He just seems like he'd be a total douchebag to be around, only tolerant of others for so long before he starts getting pissy about something. And I believe that Shane and Linda would be the more calm and level-headed of the McMahon family.
And it really isn't surprising that this family has issues; every family has issues. Typically, though, not every family owns a multi-million dollar company that has a huge fanbase and we're all trying to decipher the reality and trustworthiness of secondhand accounts of current and former employees and our own personal biases.
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Post by The OP on Nov 21, 2009 14:11:04 GMT -5
How does one know these people are bitter? Because it makes it easier to discount their accounts. Bitter automatically equals "bias", and percieved bias makes it ridiculously easy to throw any number of corroborating accounts to the wind as long as all of those sources are "bitter". Thank you both for bringing up a great point. I swear, "bitter" is the most overused word on this message board by far. I don't think I've ever looked at a thread about a wrestler or anyone else in the business who had criticism for someone without at least one or two posters calling that person bitter. You'd think that anyone who has ever had a problem with another person or a company they've worked for is just a bitter loser whose opinions are apparently worthless because of it.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 21, 2009 14:15:43 GMT -5
Being pissed off doesn't mean you're lying.
Take for example Phil Spector's ex wife. When he was on trial for murdering that actress (shooting her to be more exact) she testified that he had pointed a gun at her several times, and threatened to play russian roulette. Many of his ex girlfriends claimed they same.
Were they angry? Of course. But does that mean their opinions were too biased to be taken into account or be relevant? No, it didn't.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 21, 2009 14:17:20 GMT -5
I agree with those before who've said the truth lies somewhere in the middle, particularly with Stephanie and Triple H. I've seen tons of accounts from either side of the argument over those two: Steph's terrible, Steph's just as horrible as her father ... or, She's calm, she's polite. Triple H is insecure and guards his throne to the death, keeping up-and-comers down. Triple H loves this business and is willing to help and is out for nothing but the betterment of the company. I think alot of people and journalists tend to exaggerate the negative. I'm not saying it's all false in any way, but what would YOU rather read? "One time, Vince got kind of pissed and griped at Shane over in a corner during a meeting." OR "Vince totally blew up at Shane in front of EVERYONE in a meeting and was like, 'GODDAMN IT, SHANE!' Then Shane stormed out and Stephanie and Triple H were cackling gleefully as he left." I do believe moreso the comments about Vince. He just seems like he'd be a total douchebag to be around, only tolerant of others for so long before he starts getting pissy about something. And I believe that Shane and Linda would be the more calm and level-headed of the McMahon family. And it really isn't surprising that this family has issues; every family has issues. Typically, though, not every family owns a multi-million dollar company that has a huge fanbase and we're all trying to decipher the reality and trustworthiness of secondhand accounts of current and former employees and our own personal biases. *applause* Not to mention that, well, having money changes people. I dare anyone to live as a millionaire for a month and not get used to feeling more important than anyone else. Which could explain Vince's lack of concern over anyone's opinion other than his, Steph's and occasionally Hunter's and Shane's. They're his family...of course he's going to be more tolerant of them than he is of his writing staff. Plus, he's Steph's dad...and no Dad is going to sit there and tolerate percieved attacks on his daughter's ideas....because lets face it, I don't think the writers are always gentle in their criticisms, either. But we don't get that side of the story. Heck, I've pitched ideas on this board that were shot down rudely in flames by others, and when I defended those ideas, things got heated. I don't imagine a WWE Creative meeting being any much different....only thing is, you're dealing with much larger egos and much richer, and less patient people. And there are no Moderators to pop in and go "Hey, chill out EVERYONE." ;D Just another way to look at things, I guess.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Nov 21, 2009 14:21:52 GMT -5
Having read said article, I was going to say that this has the credibility of a Fox News report, but that would be insulting to Fox News, especially with that article claiming that Trips tried to sabotage Stone Cold's career.
Welcome to Journalism 101.
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Post by tap on Nov 21, 2009 14:30:13 GMT -5
Vince, Stephanie, and Triple H need to realize that this is a publicly traded corporation and not the local carny fed. They need to institute a serious Human Resources department and treat their employees with at least a modicum of respect. Otherwise, the defections will continue, the on-air quality will continue to decline, and the long-term survival of the company will be in doubt. Quoting and bolding for emphasis. I'm curious to see how wrestlers as 'independent contractors' would fall under HR or BBB practices. Raven's lawsuit had it succeeded would have opened these practices up to more scrutiny, I would suspect.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 21, 2009 14:59:07 GMT -5
Having read said article, I was going to say that this has the credibility of a Fox News report, but that would be insulting to Fox News, especially with that article claiming that Trips tried to sabotage Stone Cold's career. Welcome to Journalism 101. It sucks, because, it's a lot like the Wrestlecrap induction on the Jesse The Body Ventura movie. The guy lived such a fascinating life, why does one need to put in a bunch of false hoods in the movie. There is so many reports on Triple H's backstage reputation, that you don't need to put in speculation and falsehoods, but it happened anyway. So I guess it certainly is understandable that people cry fowl when they see a lot of reports on people saying that Triple H abuses his power. There is evidence that he does, but then people put in bullshit that it obscures the whole debate.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 21, 2009 15:09:40 GMT -5
Having read said article, I was going to say that this has the credibility of a Fox News report, but that would be insulting to Fox News, especially with that article claiming that Trips tried to sabotage Stone Cold's career. Welcome to Journalism 101. It sucks, because, it's a lot like the Wrestlecrap induction on the Jesse The Body Ventura movie. The guy lived such a fascinating life, why does one need to put in a bunch of false hoods in the movie. There is so many reports on Triple H's backstage reputation, that you don't need to put in speculation and falsehoods, but it happened anyway. So I guess it certainly is understandable that people cry fowl when they see a lot of reports on people saying that Triple H abuses his power. There is evidence that he does, but then people put in bulls*** that it obscures the whole debate. Again, this fascinates me because I think that we all, to a degree, like to sit and say "Well, if I was in such a position, I would NEVER do what he has done..." It's human nature to compare how one person does things to how we ourselves would do it, and to imagine ourselves doing a better, more fair, job of it. I think by and large, Hunter makes good choices. Does he abuse his position on occasion? I think he does, but cannot prove it outright, nor can I sit here and say I would not, were I put in his position. What's that old saying..."Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." I don't mean to say that Hunter has absolute power, but he DOES have power within the company, and I think he has to an extent, been changed by it.
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 21, 2009 17:15:01 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article, or is it in a magazine?
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Nov 21, 2009 19:45:09 GMT -5
Do we have a list of names that sit in on production/creative meetings? (i.e., can we narrow this down to figure out who the source is?) I mean, I'm a big fan of process of elimination (hence my love of Survivor Series...cheap plug for this Sunday!)
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Post by Andrew is Good on Nov 21, 2009 20:31:22 GMT -5
Do we have a list of names that sit in on production/creative meetings? (i.e., can we narrow this down to figure out who the source is?) I mean, I'm a big fan of process of elimination (hence my love of Survivor Series...cheap plug for this Sunday!) That could help. I think Jim Cornette pin pointed Terry Taylor as being the guy who told the Sun Newspaper the story of Jim blowing up after being told he was let go, which turned out to be false.
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Post by Melissalicious on Nov 21, 2009 21:21:36 GMT -5
Do we have a list of names that sit in on production/creative meetings? (i.e., can we narrow this down to figure out who the source is?) I mean, I'm a big fan of process of elimination (hence my love of Survivor Series...cheap plug for this Sunday!) During some interview on the backstage stuff, Steph told the interviewer she couldn't reveal who the writers currently on staff were. Apparently, it's "top secret" but they have writers from all walks.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Nov 21, 2009 22:23:58 GMT -5
Regardless of how the behind the scenes enviroment may or may not be, I'm glad Shane decided to be his own man and leave.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 21, 2009 23:17:57 GMT -5
Shane needs to form a support group for all the other disgruntled ex-WWE staff first. He could probably staff his own entertainment company with them, there are so many!
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 22, 2009 0:05:50 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article, or is it in a magazine? Anybody?
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Post by Error on Nov 22, 2009 0:09:02 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article, or is it in a magazine? Anybody? Magazine I think.
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Post by CM Dazz on Nov 22, 2009 0:15:54 GMT -5
Thanks Ric. Great job then for the people who transcribed part of the article to put here on the 'Crap. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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