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Post by Elvis Revenge on Nov 24, 2009 9:39:44 GMT -5
He's just a foreigner hoss gimmick. Yeah, he's decent in the ring, but I just don't care about anything he does, at all. His feud with Goldust was very meh, and frankly I think a lot of that momentum he had coming off that went out the window when he went to Raw and got into a feud with Jaime Noble.
I think he can develop and become a legit big time heel, but he needs work, and he needs more buildup.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 9:40:06 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who doesn't like Sheamus? I have a feeling I would like him as a face just for his look, but I really can't take him seriously as a bad guy and he is just plain boring. I do give him credit that the Jamie Noble powerbomb on the floor was a sweet spot.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 9:44:01 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who doesn't like Sheamus? I have a feeling I would like him as a face just for his look, but I really can't take him seriously as a bad guy and he is just plain boring. I do give him credit that the Jamie Noble powerbomb on the floor was a sweet spot. Like 3 or 4 other people have stated they dislike Sheamus, so it isn't just you. I love the guy, but if you don't, *shrug*.
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Post by Tarik Dee on Nov 24, 2009 9:51:25 GMT -5
Sheamus is my favourite wrestler right now, just dont let him win the title so soon or bury him with Cena, a rub will be perfect for him.
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Post by spagett on Nov 24, 2009 10:52:31 GMT -5
Sheamus doesn't have to win the feud to come up with a major rub. As long as they don't bury him, it could be really good for him. Isn't this what we've been clamoring for? A veteran to really put over a new kid? Austin didn't win Mania 13, after all. . . (and no, Sheamus is not Austin - but it remains true that you don't have to "win" to win) Hell, Cena got that kind of rub. Losing to Lesnar, Angle, and Undertaker, Cena had a chance to get over along with his rap gimmick, and it can be argued Miz got such a rub from Cena, since it did lead, albeit not directly, to him being US champion. It can be done, but it oculd also lead to Sheamus being like Kozlov, and losing his steam. That being said, Sheamus is a more talented wrestler, so he could be used significantly easier. I agree with most of what you said but like someone else pointed out I think the Miz/Cena did nothing to help Miz. I am not saying it buried him completely because he is still the only over heel on Raw outside of Orton but it definately didn't benefit him.
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Post by Chainsaw on Nov 24, 2009 11:16:51 GMT -5
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Post by barley96 on Nov 24, 2009 11:25:13 GMT -5
Finally somebody who sees Sheamus for what he truly is. On ECW Goldust and Shelton Benjamin carried Sheamus to decent matches. If you took away his goofy look and legitimate Irish accent, he would be another prototype (insert John Cena jokes please) of FCW.
I was happy that a new wrestler was going to get a title shot. I even considered buying the PPV until I found out that it was Sheamus. I like his gimmick, but everything that is him is bland. Since RAW has a face champion, a heel such as The Miz or Jack Swagger should have been given a title shot.
I realize I am going to get a lot of heat from the IWC but oh well.
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Post by Hakumental on Nov 24, 2009 11:33:21 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm flashing back to the Umaga/Cena feud with Sheamus. Guy built to look like an absolute monster by tearing up jobbers and savagely taking apart a credible performer (e.g., Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin), then carves himself a shot at the champion...who is, of course, John Cena.
For several reasons - not the least of which was a segment where Cena laid out Umaga like he'd shot him, leading up to a Last Man Standing match - this didn't work for Umaga. I'll be interested to see how they handle it with Sheamus in comparison.
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 24, 2009 11:34:58 GMT -5
I just really wish this could've been Jack Swagger. I know they're waiting on his push and he'll get his turn though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 11:52:10 GMT -5
I already like him
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 24, 2009 11:56:06 GMT -5
Finally somebody who sees Sheamus for what he truly is. On ECW Goldust and Shelton Benjamin carried Sheamus to decent matches. If you took away his goofy look and legitimate Irish accent, he would be another prototype (insert John Cena jokes please) of FCW. Actually I thought his matches with Shelton were horrendously bad, but his matches with Goldust were awesome. Goldust is one of the most underrated wrestlers in WWE in terms of psychology, he actually made people care that he was getting his ass kicked. Jamie Noble did too. But Shelton got beaten on for like 10 minutes and basically rolled around and said ow the whole time. Sheamus isn't the most exciting cat in the ring, so he needs a great seller and ring psychologist like Goldust to make his matches bearable. This will be quite a challenge for Cena.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 24, 2009 11:58:06 GMT -5
I haven't made up my mind either way about ol' pasty yet. I think he's got potential that can be developed, and he's a credible bad-ass monster heel, but ready for a main event spot? That's doubtful. As others have suggested, the best thing for WWE to do would be to build him up as a credible threat, but have Cena triumph at TLC, thereby giving Sheamus a main event rub without hotshotting him. In the meantime, work on other young guys like Swagger, Kofi, and Morrison who are already practically on the cusp, and prep them for their own spots in the main event.
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Nov 24, 2009 12:00:46 GMT -5
Awesome theme song, Awesome look, fun to watch in-ring, has a lot of charisma and on the mioc he says what he needs to say. He's got everything going for him and deserves this.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 24, 2009 12:09:20 GMT -5
Next time someone says WWE doesn't like to push young guys right away because WWE is afraid they will end up like Lesnar or Lashley, I will point to Sheamus.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 24, 2009 12:24:35 GMT -5
I'm glad it wasn't Kofi. His stuff with Orton is too good for him to be feed to the wolves(Aka Cena). Bourne isn't an option, because he hasn't beaten anyone; he's upset a few people. Swagger and MVP could have been possibilities, but they have been booked in no man's land, and really have no momentum. You have Miz, but then it's almost like Kofi, the guy is establishing the mid card, and just to have Cena kill him again won't do anything for him.
So, the choices were down to DiBiase, Rhodes, Orton, Henry, and Sheamus. Orton has been done to death, so let's take him out. Henry is over as a face, and booking him against Cena gets Cena heel heat, which they hate to do, so he's out. So you're left with Legacy and Sheamus. That's where the argument could be made, that it would give you a reason to split them up. But the problem is that neither Rhodes nor DiBiase has established anytype of singles push, and the focus becomes the breakup of the group rather then the Title Match. It would take the focus off of Cena, which again, is something they don't want to do.
The WWE does not operate in a vacuum. If all these guys are starting from a clean slate, then there are better choices out their. However, considering the current situations of everyone involved, and the way WWE likes to book their champion, Sheamus really is the best choice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 12:38:30 GMT -5
Really difficult to judge him before he does anything significant. The match against Cena will be his first, true moment as a WWE wrestler; we'll see if he deserves the push or not when he has to hang with one of the main guys.
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Post by Sharpy Snow on Nov 24, 2009 12:41:50 GMT -5
Like Servbot said, at the current moment in time Sheamus is in the best position for a "fresh" feud for the title.
I said it last night regarding the Raw heels: Masters/Chavo : Haven't had any real big wins to even deserve a shot. Masters last beat Santino and Chavo just doesn't win. Carlito : M.I.A. Swagger : Has had a bad few weeks. Still trading wins with Bourne, eliminated at SS and on losing team at Bragging Rights. Legacy : Losing team at SS (Infact being the first two eliminated on the team), Cody lost at BR, both keep trading wins with MVP/Henry.
This leaves Miz and Sheamus really. I persume they are planning to put Miz against Swagger or Bourne or someone like that for the US belt at TLC anyway and seeing as Cena's already been up and soundly defeated Miz on PPV (Though Miz could easilly say how he's gotten better and all that), it's Sheamus who is the new feud while still being dominant against everyone else.
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Post by Soultastic on Nov 24, 2009 12:52:26 GMT -5
Finally somebody who sees Sheamus for what he truly is. On ECW Goldust and Shelton Benjamin carried Sheamus to decent matches. If you took away his goofy look and legitimate Irish accent, he would be another prototype (insert John Cena jokes please) of FCW. I was happy that a new wrestler was going to get a title shot. I even considered buying the PPV until I found out that it was Sheamus. I like his gimmick, but everything that is him is bland. Since RAW has a face champion, a heel such as The Miz or Jack Swagger should have been given a title shot. I realize I am going to get a lot of heat from the IWC but oh well. God, I hate it when people say that if you don't agree with them, you're IWC. As for Sheamus, I think he can get to World Championship level if they book him the right way, but right now it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early. I hope his match with Cena is not a squash. Let him prove that he can be a menace.
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Post by B.B.M on Nov 24, 2009 13:03:26 GMT -5
If people start using HHH's praises of Sheamus, as an excuse to complain against Sheamus's push....That's it, i'm no longer going to discuss wrestling with those people anymore. I'll just watch the show and enjoy.
(Edit: Looks like someone has..)
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 13:37:04 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm flashing back to the Umaga/Cena feud with Sheamus. Guy built to look like an absolute monster by tearing up jobbers and savagely taking apart a credible performer (e.g., Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin), then carves himself a shot at the champion...who is, of course, John Cena. For several reasons - not the least of which was a segment where Cena laid out Umaga like he'd shot him, leading up to a Last Man Standing match - this didn't work for Umaga. I'll be interested to see how they handle it with Sheamus in comparison. Was just coming in here to say that. This is Cena/Umaga v.2.0 apparently. I'm calling it now...Sheamus goes for that bicycle kick, misses, and it's STF and goodnight. However...if the WWE were to want to actually build on the "Cena is losing his mind/getting too full of himself" idea that guys like DSR have been talking about on here....Cena NOT being able to make Sheamus tap would be the way to do it. Ref stoppage lets Cena retain the title, while at the same time, lets Sheamus continue to claim that he's never been pinned or made to submit. But this has to be a very violent, bloody match in order for that to happen. Not sure if the WWE wants to do a match like that in this new PG world. Kudos to the WWE for surprising me with the Sheamus win last night though. I thought for all the world that Kofi was going to win, and Orton was going to screw him out of the shot a la HBK/Benoit.
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