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Post by baerrtt on Nov 24, 2009 13:39:00 GMT -5
Funnily enough I'm reminded of Cena's 1st WWE title match against Lesnar at BACKLASH 03...which amongst my fellow wrestling fan workmates at the time drew the same kind of sceptical opinions Sheamus is dealing with.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Nov 24, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
I stopped reading Todd Martin's reports a while ago. Dude just seems to flat out hate the WWE.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 24, 2009 13:53:24 GMT -5
I'm glad it wasn't Kofi. His stuff with Orton is too good for him to be feed to the wolves(Aka Cena). Bourne isn't an option, because he hasn't beaten anyone; he's upset a few people. Swagger and MVP could have been possibilities, but they have been booked in no man's land, and really have no momentum. You have Miz, but then it's almost like Kofi, the guy is establishing the mid card, and just to have Cena kill him again won't do anything for him. So, the choices were down to DiBiase, Rhodes, Orton, Henry, and Sheamus. Orton has been done to death, so let's take him out. Henry is over as a face, and booking him against Cena gets Cena heel heat, which they hate to do, so he's out. So you're left with Legacy and Sheamus. That's where the argument could be made, that it would give you a reason to split them up. But the problem is that neither Rhodes nor DiBiase has established anytype of singles push, and the focus becomes the breakup of the group rather then the Title Match. It would take the focus off of Cena, which again, is something they don't want to do. The WWE does not operate in a vacuum. If all these guys are starting from a clean slate, then there are better choices out their. However, considering the current situations of everyone involved, and the way WWE likes to book their champion, Sheamus really is the best choice. Great post. When put this way, the Sheamus push does make the most sense given the current situation. And like I said before, as long as Sheamus is made to look competent and threatening against Cena, but still lose cleanly at the PPV, WWE will be taking the best possible course it can under the circumstances. The only issue, really, is whether or not Sheamus's skills are sufficiently up to snuff right now to make the present feud good; other than that, in the sense of booking and giving a rub, WWE seems to be on the right course so far.
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Post by 4real on Nov 24, 2009 14:00:55 GMT -5
Funnily enough I'm reminded of Cena's 1st WWE title match against Lesnar at BACKLASH 03...which amongst my fellow wrestling fan workmates at the time drew the same kind of sceptical opinions Sheamus is dealing with. Exactly. At that point Cena was barely getting on any PPV cards, he wasn't at Mania the month before except the rap diss thing on the pre show. For me its just nice to see WWE trying somebody new out. I doubt this match will be the actual main event anyway, just like Cena Lesnar wasn't.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 14:11:47 GMT -5
Funnily enough I'm reminded of Cena's 1st WWE title match against Lesnar at BACKLASH 03...which amongst my fellow wrestling fan workmates at the time drew the same kind of sceptical opinions Sheamus is dealing with. Exactly. At that point Cena was barely getting on any PPV cards, he wasn't at Mania the month before except the rap diss thing on the pre show. For me its just nice to see WWE trying somebody new out. I doubt this match will be the actual main event anyway, just like Cena Lesnar wasn't. I'm thinking DX closes the show...don't know wHHHy I would think that, but..... ;D
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 24, 2009 14:14:31 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm flashing back to the Umaga/Cena feud with Sheamus. Guy built to look like an absolute monster by tearing up jobbers and savagely taking apart a credible performer (e.g., Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin), then carves himself a shot at the champion...who is, of course, John Cena. For several reasons - not the least of which was a segment where Cena laid out Umaga like he'd shot him, leading up to a Last Man Standing match - this didn't work for Umaga. I'll be interested to see how they handle it with Sheamus in comparison. Was just coming in here to say that. This is Cena/Umaga v.2.0 apparently. I'm calling it now...Sheamus goes for that bicycle kick, misses, and it's STF and goodnight. However...if the WWE were to want to actually build on the "Cena is losing his mind/getting too full of himself" idea that guys like DSR have been talking about on here....Cena NOT being able to make Sheamus tap would be the way to do it. Ref stoppage lets Cena retain the title, while at the same time, lets Sheamus continue to claim that he's never been pinned or made to submit. But this has to be a very violent, bloody match in order for that to happen. Not sure if the WWE wants to do a match like that in this new PG world. Kudos to the WWE for surprising me with the Sheamus win last night though. I thought for all the world that Kofi was going to win, and Orton was going to screw him out of the shot a la HBK/Benoit. Agree with both of you guys. My only complaint (I did mention this a few times last night, but bear with me) is that it's still too rushed. Sheamus should have been "signed" to Raw about 6 weeks ago. He could have still done the Noble stuff, attack King/ringside guy, then had a mini feud with say: MVP or Henry. Just something to make him look a little more credible
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Post by BK From WV on Nov 24, 2009 14:40:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one here who doesn't like Sheamus? I have a feeling I would like him as a face just for his look, but I really can't take him seriously as a bad guy and he is just plain boring. I do give him credit that the Jamie Noble powerbomb on the floor was a sweet spot. No,I'm with you. I'm all for giving a new guy a title shot but I just find Sheamus so bland and boring. I find nothing entertaining about the guy at all.
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Post by azz0r on Nov 24, 2009 14:46:21 GMT -5
I love the IWC.
"Push young stars, anyone! PLEASE".
2 weeks later
"OMG They're pushing him! HES SO GREEN!"
Let them throw new talent up and see what sticks, worse that happens is Shaemus gets knocked back down the card and its failed...who cares
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Post by Franchise on Nov 24, 2009 14:47:15 GMT -5
I disagree with the report...I feel that Sheamus is a good enough talker to get his gimmick over. He's portraying a monster heel, and when you do that, you can be the best talker and best wrestler in the world and most people will never know it. It's very cut and dry - Sheamus doesn't have to work too hard to get over as a heel, so he doesn't.
I'm looking froward to seeing what they do with this Sheamus/Cena angle. Hopefully it won't end with Cena overcoming the odds yet again, and sending Sheamus down to midcard purgatory.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 14:49:17 GMT -5
PUSH SOME YOUNG STARS!
NO, NOT THAT ONE!
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Post by BRV on Nov 24, 2009 15:06:08 GMT -5
I read Todd Martin's Raw reports every once in a while, and more often than not I agree with his sentiments and opinions regarding Raw. His report was actually the first thing that went through my mind when Jesse Ventura announced the "breakthrough battle royal". I thought to myself, "Okay, now he can stop whining about the WWE pushing the same, stale challengers."
And then I read the report this morning, and he still complains about it. It just goes to show that there is nothing that can please this guy at all.
If this turns into Cena vs. Umaga version 2.0, then I think that is a great thing for the WWE. The Cena vs. Umaga feud in 2007 was terrific, with a good match at New Year's Revolution and arguably my favorite Last Man Standing match at Royal Rumble. The feud not only built up new talent (Umaga had been in WWE for less than a year), it established Umaga as a legitimate main event talent, leading to him being in the most advertised match on the WrestleMania 23 card.
If Sheamus can get the same effect that Umaga got in 2007, it'll be great for his career and for the WWE, as it proves they can still push young talent as serious championship contenders.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 24, 2009 15:08:00 GMT -5
The guy that wrote this is a tool. I'm usually harsh on new guys but Sheamus has impressed me both in the ring and on the mic.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 24, 2009 15:12:49 GMT -5
If this turns into Cena vs. Umaga version 2.0, then I think that is a great thing for the WWE. The Cena vs. Umaga feud in 2007 was terrific, with a good match at New Year's Revolution and arguably my favorite Last Man Standing match at Royal Rumble. The feud not only built up new talent (Umaga had been in WWE for less than a year), it established Umaga as a legitimate main event talent, leading to him being in the most advertised match on the WrestleMania 23 card. If Sheamus can get the same effect that Umaga got in 2007, it'll be great for his career and for the WWE, as it proves they can still push young talent as serious championship contenders. I totally agree with you on this. However, it remains to be seen weather or not that actually happens. The table stipulation certianly appears to be setting it up to go that way. It's a perfect way to make Sheamus look like a monster badass against the top dog in the company. Cena will win, but it's all about how they do it. Ideally, Cena just barely pulls it out. Post match, Shemus goes nuts and beats the ever loving hell out of him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:14:49 GMT -5
There is really no pleasing anyone is there?
"I want to see some fresh faces in the main event! I'm tired the same old crap!"
"OMG! Why does HE get a title shot?! It's just not fair!"
The way I see it, Sheamus is getting an early Christmas, and his present is a major rub. Lets hope John Cena doesn't get a shovel to bury him with.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 24, 2009 15:16:13 GMT -5
I read Todd Martin's Raw reports every once in a while, and more often than not I agree with his sentiments and opinions regarding Raw. His report was actually the first thing that went through my mind when Jesse Ventura announced the "breakthrough battle royal". I thought to myself, "Okay, now he can stop whining about the WWE pushing the same, stale challengers." And then I read the report this morning, and he still complains about it. It just goes to show that there is nothing that can please this guy at all. If this turns into Cena vs. Umaga version 2.0, then I think that is a great thing for the WWE. The Cena vs. Umaga feud in 2007 was terrific, with a good match at New Year's Revolution and arguably my favorite Last Man Standing match at Royal Rumble. The feud not only built up new talent (Umaga had been in WWE for less than a year), it established Umaga as a legitimate main event talent, leading to him being in the most advertised match on the WrestleMania 23 card. If Sheamus can get the same effect that Umaga got in 2007, it'll be great for his career and for the WWE, as it proves they can still push young talent as serious championship contenders. The only quibble I have with this is, doing Cena/Umaga 2.0, they need to fix what was wrong with the first version. Namely, that Cena garnered a lot of hate from the adults in the crowd by not selling Umaga's vicious beatings. Cena never once acted like Umaga was anything close to a threat to him...he simply shrugged off the supposed "Samoan Bulldozer" in every one of their encounters. Cena predicted victory each time...hell, practically guaranteed it, and he was right each time. And with each successive Cena beatdown on the supposed "monster" Umaga...the monster lost a lot of his, well, "monstrous" attributes, and looked more and more like a chump who couldn't get the job done. Considering how much they switch the title around these days, if they ARE considering doing an extended Sheamus/Cena feud along the lines of Cena/Umaga...then Sheamus NEEDS to win the belt in at least one of these matches. Or win via ref stoppage. Something that allows him to keep a bit of that badass allure.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Nov 24, 2009 15:17:10 GMT -5
I wish it would have been Swagger too. Yeah, he's trading wins with Bourne, but he's looked great in matches, and his losses came from distractions from Miz and so on. Plus, he had a great match with Cena on the draft show, right? I think these two would have a great match given the build and time. I think it will happen soon enough.
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Post by B.B.M on Nov 24, 2009 15:18:06 GMT -5
I don't know how people see a problem in this, you have two guys, who are very passionate for the business. If these two can work together, we could see a great fued heading into 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 15:21:31 GMT -5
There is really no pleasing anyone is there? "I want to see some fresh faces in the main event! I'm tired the same old crap!" "OMG! Why does HE get a title shot?! It's just not fair!" The way I see it, Sheamus is getting an early Christmas, and his present is a main event rub and hopefully not a big lump of jobber coal. Ignoring that probably over half of the people in this thread are pro-Sheamus? Anyway, yeah. Personally thinking this will have a given finish. The likely thing I see happening is a ref bump, and then while the ref's down Sheamus puts Cena through a table - by the time the ref gets up, though, Cena has thrown Sheamus into the wreckage and the referee assumes that Cena has thrown him through and gives him the win. Sheamus looks like a monster, and they can do a follow-up match at the Rumble if they so desire. Of course, I don't care if it's the right business decision or not, I would mark so hard for a Sheamus win. Besides, honestly, what does WWE really have to lose in doing it?
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Post by Error on Nov 24, 2009 15:21:36 GMT -5
So wait, a guy giving his opinion on the show says that in his opinion Sheamus isn't that good and, wished his shot went to someone else and, he's a hypocrite and wrong?
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2009 15:22:11 GMT -5
I wish it would have been Swagger too. Yeah, he's trading wins with Bourne, but he's looked great in matches, and his losses came from distractions from Miz and so on. Plus, he had a great match with Cena on the draft show, right? I think these two would have a great match given the build and time. I think it will happen soon enough. Swagger is one of those guys who is practically tailor made for John Cena to work off of. Then again, Sheamus seems like a good fit, too. Cena seems to work best with one of three kinds of opponents: 1. A weasel who wishes to outsmart him (Edge, for instance, or Jericho) 2. Someone who will crush him (Umaga, Big Show, etc.) and he goes all Sting vs Vader on them 3. Grizzled veteran (HBK, Triple H to an extent) to play off his youthful vigor Though, Orton and Punk are exceptions to varying degrees. I actually think Orton and Cena have much more chemistry as a tag team, when they're reluctantly paired up. It'd actually be kind of neat to see them in an Angle/Benoit as tag champs sort of role.
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