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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 28, 2009 23:39:38 GMT -5
Make no mistake about this, WWE is going to try and give all us old school fans a reason to watch and remember. Well, so far, they've sold me, as the 1-4 RAW will be the first one I've seen since Flair retired. BUT...
BUT...
There is another reason why Bret is coming back. And it's all about promotion.
411mania.com reported this afternoon that a Hart Family Legacy DVD is in the works for release later this year. Obviously, Bret is going to be involved to promote it, which is good. It can give the fans who are still sorry he left closure, which is also good. But I see something else coming out of this. One word.
Owen.
This is, in all probability, the only way we're going to get anything remotely centered around Owen out on DVD. So that alone, combined with more Bret stuff, has me excited. The BIG dream is of course, some miracle that would get Owen into the HOF and maybe that could happen also with Bret inducting, but that's pine in the sky.
I'm really hoping the E doesn't mess this up because they might have me checking out the current product seriously for the first time in a LONG time.
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Post by Azrael from Outerspace on Dec 29, 2009 2:28:34 GMT -5
That's one DVD i will be buying.
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Post by steamboat1 on Dec 29, 2009 2:36:34 GMT -5
Owen's estate is owned by his wife Martha, so the idea of a DVD based on solely him or a hall of fame induction goes out the window.
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Dec 29, 2009 3:43:58 GMT -5
Owen's estate is owned by his wife Martha, so the idea of a DVD based on solely him or a hall of fame induction goes out the window. Although this is unfortunately true maybe Bret can talk to her and maybe try to persuade her to change her mind.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 29, 2009 3:46:00 GMT -5
I have a question about this whole "She owns his estate" thing, I'm really not sure about the legal technical aspects of it..but does it prohibit WWE from even mentioning Owen? Cause I can't remember the last time he was brought up.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 29, 2009 8:50:26 GMT -5
Owen's estate is owned by his wife Martha, so the idea of a DVD based on solely him or a hall of fame induction goes out the window. Owen's estate doesn't stop a HOF induction. WWE still owns all WWE realted footage. In other words, if WWE wants to induct Owen, they will, and with Bret now together with WWE, it's more likely.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 29, 2009 8:51:40 GMT -5
I have a question about this whole "She owns his estate" thing, I'm really not sure about the legal technical aspects of it..but does it prohibit WWE from even mentioning Owen? Cause I can't remember the last time he was brought up. The estate cannot stop WWE from showing footage that they own. Go see the MSG trribute video as an example.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 29, 2009 8:57:01 GMT -5
Owen's estate is owned by his wife Martha, so the idea of a DVD based on solely him or a hall of fame induction goes out the window. Really the could do a DVD about Owen if they wanted too. The WWE still owns a lot of footage of theres. Just like how they put out DVD's with Sting on the cover or have his name on it. Like the WCW DVD even though Sting owns the name and was under TNA contract. The WWE had a Sting DVD in the works eariler this year but got axed. But never stopped the WWE using him image on WWE 24 adds. Put his image on the WCW DVD or anything. Because they owned the use footage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 9:09:46 GMT -5
..but does it prohibit WWE from even mentioning Owen? Cause I can't remember the last time he was brought up. I think that might have a lot to do with the fact that the WWF is generally considered to be responsible for his death, and that is something of a sore spot for them. I could be wrong, but while they do acknowledge him from time to time, he may be a subject they don't want people to dwell on. Wasn't he featured prominently on the Greatest Stars of the '90s DVD? I haven't watched it in a long time, but it seems like I remember a few of his matches and promos on there.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Dec 29, 2009 10:15:09 GMT -5
Here's something that is starting to worry me.
I do agree that a Hart Legacy DVD is a good idea. I do think that Owen does need a HoF Induction. I am glad that Bret seems to have put Montreal behind him (and hopefully can be on screen with Shawn in a mark-fest moment for the ages)
But I am starting to think that if he goes overboard with this in terms of helping promote the DVD, or whatever media project the E is coming up with - does that make him a sell out?
For years, Bret was steadfast in his statement that he'd never work with Vince again.
Then he has his own DVD out. And I understand that he stepped in to make sure that it didn't turn into the burial-fest that was originally planned. Plus, it turned out to be a great DVD.
Now, I can't help but think - would he be used only as a shill? And would he be viewed now as a sell-out from many of us who supported him throughout these years?
Or am I just being paranoid?
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Post by CM Dazz on Dec 29, 2009 10:31:39 GMT -5
Here's something that is starting to worry me. I do agree that a Hart Legacy DVD is a good idea. I do think that Owen does need a HoF Induction. I am glad that Bret seems to have put Montreal behind him (and hopefully can be on screen with Shawn in a mark-fest moment for the ages) But I am starting to think that if he goes overboard with this in terms of helping promote the DVD, or whatever media project the E is coming up with - does that make him a sell out? For years, Bret was steadfast in his statement that he'd never work with Vince again. Then he has his own DVD out. And I understand that he stepped in to make sure that it didn't turn into the burial-fest that was originally planned. Plus, it turned out to be a great DVD. Now, I can't help but think - would he be used only as a shill? And would he be viewed now as a sell-out from many of us who supported him throughout these years? Or am I just being paranoid? I'm thinking it may have been his idea to do the DVD if he was going to come back. Basically, "You want me, then we are going to do this DVD".
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 29, 2009 11:04:13 GMT -5
Remember - this is the Hart FAMILY, so it's not just Bret and Owen, but we should see something on Davey Boy as well. And hey, if nothing else, it means a push for the Hart Dynasty, right?
Right?
*crickets*
As to the Owen footage, Owen was mentioned on Bret's DVD as well as Wrestling's Greatest Families and Greatest Stars of the 90s, plus Owen matches were included on that and the Edge DVD release. Suffice to say, I think Owen's status for a DVD is somewhat ambigious.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 29, 2009 16:36:27 GMT -5
Here's something that is starting to worry me. I do agree that a Hart Legacy DVD is a good idea. I do think that Owen does need a HoF Induction. I am glad that Bret seems to have put Montreal behind him (and hopefully can be on screen with Shawn in a mark-fest moment for the ages) But I am starting to think that if he goes overboard with this in terms of helping promote the DVD, or whatever media project the E is coming up with - does that make him a sell out? For years, Bret was steadfast in his statement that he'd never work with Vince again. Then he has his own DVD out. And I understand that he stepped in to make sure that it didn't turn into the burial-fest that was originally planned. Plus, it turned out to be a great DVD. Now, I can't help but think - would he be used only as a shill? And would he be viewed now as a sell-out from many of us who supported him throughout these years? Or am I just being paranoid? I'm thinking it may have been his idea to do the DVD if he was going to come back. Basically, "You want me, then we are going to do this DVD". I'm thinking this as well. Otherwise it would be messed up for him to do anything long-term for them after saying he wouldn't.
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Post by draus on Dec 29, 2009 16:45:50 GMT -5
Honestly Stu Hart should and will get inducted before Owen does, I think if anyone gets inducted into the HOF this year it's Stu.
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Post by MyndSkape: A Poor Man's Virgil on Dec 29, 2009 16:46:43 GMT -5
Why is he coming back
For whatever reasons, it'll be great to see him back!
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 29, 2009 16:52:45 GMT -5
Honestly Stu Hart should and will get inducted before Owen does, I think if anyone gets inducted into the HOF this year it's Stu. Didn't they induct the Von Erichs as a whole family? Stu and Owen being inducted that way would be great. Even if I would hate that it'd be Bruce Hart was a hall of famer.
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Post by mauled on Dec 29, 2009 17:59:46 GMT -5
Not just Owen but I am kind of suprised they have not inducted the Davey Boy yet. The Bulldogs were an incredible tagteam and invented many a move in use today. Now I can understand them not wanting to wheel out a bitter dynamite despite his skill, spewing venom (Though it would make a very interesting speech ;D ) but surely they can put Daveyboy in.
Another reason that Brets come back I bet is to stick one to Hogan for doing that burial DVD of him.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 29, 2009 18:51:35 GMT -5
I'm sure they wouldn't induct Owen without his wife's permission. Its similar to how they probably could put Bruno Sammartino into the Hall, but won't because he refuses to accept it.
Martha Hart hates WWE, and in her book she basically said Owen hated wrestling and he only did it as a means to support their family. So I don't think he'll ever be in the HoF.
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Post by mattperiolat on Dec 29, 2009 19:18:44 GMT -5
I'm sure they wouldn't induct Owen without his wife's permission. Its similar to how they probably could put Bruno Sammartino into the Hall, but won't because he refuses to accept it. Martha Hart hates WWE, and in her book she basically said Owen hated wrestling and he only did it as a means to support their family. So I don't think he'll ever be in the HoF. That's Martha's POV. The question is: who is more likely to speak for Owen - the bitter wife who told Vince (and the public) at the funeral there would be a day of reckoning or the brother who knew him from childhood and could probably best speak for him and, oh, by the way, is at least talking with the E? Unless Martha really wants to go back to court and challenge Vince, I think she best just let it go, especially given Bret is working with the E, at least as far as this goes.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 29, 2009 20:53:28 GMT -5
from what ive read Bret has been pushing for a Stu induction for a while with vince so the dvd package paying tribute to Stu and the whole family could be the lead in, either way as long as its chock full of Stampede footage ill buy atleast 8 copys, man have the full Bret vs Dynamite matches would be awesome, they kick the absolute shit outta each other
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