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Post by Viva on Jan 13, 2010 17:40:40 GMT -5
I feel like Conan and his Lawyer's argument that the 11:35 timeslot is implied is more than enough to win in court. The show has been an 11:35 staple for over 50 years. It really comes down to that. Conan has 50+ years of tradition on his side. NBC has nothing.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 13, 2010 17:45:13 GMT -5
Basically all Conan's lawyers have to show is that was there ever a time that the Tonight Show had it's timeslot permanently altered for any duration of time to air at a set slot later than 11:35(that way they can skirt stuff like Wimbeldon and Olympics pre-empting them and making them air later.)
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Post by Display Name on Jan 13, 2010 17:46:57 GMT -5
I'll be in the Conan audience tomorrow.Figured I better go while I still have the chance.
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Post by FrankGotch on Jan 13, 2010 17:57:30 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Leno got a HUGE publicity black eye last night. More or less he had THREE networks vent on him, and one was his own(though I don't blame Conan). If Jay REALLY felt bad he himself wouldn't have let it come to this. When they told him to go to 11:35 he could have shown his support for Conan and bowed out. Thats easy to say when you're not the guy walking away from a 40 million dollar contract. I honestly don't believe that anyone including Conan would walk away if they were put in Jay's position. Jay didn't tell the network to move him back to the Tonight show slot. Honestly I think that move was intended for the sole purpose of making Conan or Leno quit so NBC can get out of their contracts and won't be paying one of them to sit on his butt.
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Post by Viva on Jan 13, 2010 18:01:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Leno got a HUGE publicity black eye last night. More or less he had THREE networks vent on him, and one was his own(though I don't blame Conan). If Jay REALLY felt bad he himself wouldn't have let it come to this. When they told him to go to 11:35 he could have shown his support for Conan and bowed out. Thats easy to say when you're not the guy walking away from a 40 million dollar contract. I honestly don't believe that anyone including Conan would walk away if they were put in Jay's position. Jay didn't tell the network to move him back to the Tonight show slot. Honestly I think that move was intended for the sole purpose of making Conan or Leno quit so NBC can get out of their contracts and won't be paying one of them to sit on his butt. Jay didn't have to sign his new contract either. He didn't have to undercut Conan. He walked away, now he should let the new man do the job he was chosen to do. It's not like this wasn't 5 years in the making. Sorry. This is just as much Leno's fault as it is NBC's.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 13, 2010 18:19:36 GMT -5
By the way, Jimmy Kimmel's aping of Leno last night was brilliant. From the hackneyed monologue to his band leader's spot-on impersonation of Kevin Eubanks to the musical cues inserted at the end of every punchline, it was the most complete and brutal take-down of Jay Leno I've ever seen.
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Post by FrankGotch on Jan 13, 2010 18:27:46 GMT -5
Jay didn't have to sign his new contract either. He didn't have to undercut Conan. He walked away, now he should let the new man do the job he was chosen to do. It's not like this wasn't 5 years in the making. Sorry. This is just as much Leno's fault as it is NBC's. So you would have walked away from a huge 40+ million dollar contract, and the chance to have a talk show during prime time that many were calling the future of television? Give me a break. I love Conan, and have been a huge fan since the days of Carl Oldie Olson and the Pimp Bot 5000, but there is no way that you can fault Jay for taking the opportunity to have a talk show in prime time.
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Post by Mr T L Wolf on Jan 13, 2010 19:05:17 GMT -5
More publicity for the "I'm with Coco" art, I saw it on Entertainment Tonight.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 13, 2010 19:08:16 GMT -5
So you would have walked away from a huge 40+ million dollar contract, and the chance to have a talk show during prime time that many were calling the future of television? Give me a break. But it's not like the minute Leno retired NBC came to him saying they have a great idea about making him the future of television. The minute Leno retired he started hinting at ABC, and ABC started hinting at him. It was a measure to keep him from competing, it wasn't something that brought him out of retirement. Carson didn't choose when to retire either, but he retired with grace and dignity. Something Leno seems to be unable to do.
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 13, 2010 19:15:47 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear what Carson Daly thinks about all this.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jan 13, 2010 19:39:45 GMT -5
Okay, so the worst thing to come out of all of this is... Jimmy Fallon is still on the air. People are still acting like Jimmy Fallon's show sucks? Oh well...
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 13, 2010 19:41:45 GMT -5
People are still acting like Jimmy Fallon's show sucks? Oh well... I don't watch it that often, but from what I've seen, he's improved quite a bit from his early days. It's a different show than any of the other late night programs and I think it works pretty well.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 13, 2010 19:42:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Leno got a HUGE publicity black eye last night. More or less he had THREE networks vent on him, and one was his own(though I don't blame Conan). If Jay REALLY felt bad he himself wouldn't have let it come to this. When they told him to go to 11:35 he could have shown his support for Conan and bowed out. Thats easy to say when you're not the guy walking away from a 40 million dollar contract. I honestly don't believe that anyone including Conan would walk away if they were put in Jay's position. Jay didn't tell the network to move him back to the Tonight show slot. Honestly I think that move was intended for the sole purpose of making Conan or Leno quit so NBC can get out of their contracts and won't be paying one of them to sit on his butt. His show got canceled. It failed, so for failing, he gets to Batista his way back into the 11:35 timeslot? It's not so much about walking away it's the fact he made the deal, and at the time there had to be the thought he wanted that slot back. Might be smart business but it's horrible ethics. Conan paid dues and earned his spot and got no support, and again Leno gets to swoop in and get rewarded for being a failure turtle. (Nice, two wrestling references in one completely unrelated post)
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Post by Premier Blah on Jan 13, 2010 19:42:53 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to hear what Carson Daly thinks about all this. Who's Carson Daly?
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 13, 2010 19:42:39 GMT -5
I think one certainty is that Carson Daly's days are numbered.
Because it's not like they're cancelling Poker After Dark, that show costs practically nothing, so it's safe.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 13, 2010 19:42:56 GMT -5
Okay, so the worst thing to come out of all of this is... Jimmy Fallon is still on the air. People are still acting like Jimmy Fallon's show sucks? Oh well... Acting?
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 13, 2010 19:44:52 GMT -5
I think one certainty is that Carson Daly's days are numbered. Because it's not like they're cancelling Poker After Dark, that show costs practically nothing, so it's safe. Have you even seen the show lately? He doesn't even get a studio anymore, they do interviews in like a resteraunt with no audience or a set that LOOKS like a resteraunt. It's sad I tells ya.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 13, 2010 19:47:43 GMT -5
I know.
But I'm sure paying him is way more expensive than Poker where the players put up their own money.
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Post by FrankGotch on Jan 13, 2010 19:48:35 GMT -5
His show got canceled. It failed, so for failing, he gets to Batista his way back into the 11:35 timeslot?post) That is all on NBC. Like I said before they are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and if that doesn't work they want make things so awkward that either Leno or Conan will quit and void their contract.
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Post by Viva on Jan 13, 2010 19:53:58 GMT -5
Jay didn't have to sign his new contract either. He didn't have to undercut Conan. He walked away, now he should let the new man do the job he was chosen to do. It's not like this wasn't 5 years in the making. Sorry. This is just as much Leno's fault as it is NBC's. So you would have walked away from a huge 40+ million dollar contract, and the chance to have a talk show during prime time that many were calling the future of television? Give me a break. I love Conan, and have been a huge fan since the days of Carl Oldie Olson and the Pimp Bot 5000, but there is no way that you can fault Jay for taking the opportunity to have a talk show in prime time. Yes, I can fault him. He doesn't need the money. Plain and simple. He was the king of late night for 18 years, and quite frankly, his shtick is old and busted. He could have made 40 million dollars doing other things. Having a show in vegas, for example. But for you to sit here and say that he isn't a selfish prick, and it's not his fault for all of this is insane (ed: to me). The money doesn't, nor will it ever justify the greed. He made the decision to hand over the keys originally, got cold feet, and now is being a primadonna instead of doing what's right.
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