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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 6, 2010 14:43:19 GMT -5
I have a question actually, I know this is probably me missing summit but when Joker has the money and Lao, its stated that that was his half of the moeny for doing his job but I thought his job was to kill Batman was it not? Or was it just to get him to stop or summit Oh and also, regarding Gordons faked death.............Was that whole plan not reliant on Dent or someone else not in on Batman/Gordons plan to pretend to be Batman? Since it'd be kinda hard to do without Bats That kinda irked me too after they caught the Joker and Gordon revealed that he wasnt dead Harvey acted suprised. Yet in the final confrontation with two-face batman says what happened to Rachel wasnt chance We the three of us decided to act. So if that was ther plan then Dent shouldnt have acted suprised to see Gordon was alive. I also want to know how the Joker overtook that 20 year man cop that was going to kick his ass after the interrogation room scene. He must fight like a girl if Joker got the upper hand on him while he was sitting down totally prone to attack. Also Joker had a knife when they cut back to the police station. HOW??? Was he hiding that in his underoos or something? Joker did not do too badly in his two fights with Batman. Pain means nothing to him and he is capable at fighting. The cop probably did not really know what he was getting into. As far as the source of the knife, perhaps the cop carried one.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 6, 2010 14:44:52 GMT -5
I have a question actually, I know this is probably me missing summit but when Joker has the money and Lao, its stated that that was his half of the moeny for doing his job but I thought his job was to kill Batman was it not? Or was it just to get him to stop or summit Oh and also, regarding Gordons faked death.............Was that whole plan not reliant on Dent or someone else not in on Batman/Gordons plan to pretend to be Batman? Since it'd be kinda hard to do without Bats That kinda irked me too after they caught the Joker and Gordon revealed that he wasnt dead Harvey acted suprised. Yet in the final confrontation with two-face batman says what happened to Rachel wasnt chance We the three of us decided to act. So if that was ther plan then Dent shouldnt have acted suprised to see Gordon was alive. no, "we three decided to act" was referring to going after the mob, who in retaliation hired the Joker, who killed Rachel
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Jan 6, 2010 14:44:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand the reasoning why he shouldn't have been surprised. Deciding to act came from Dent's first meeting with Batman when Gordon said they should expect reprecussions for going after the mobs money. They were going to be targets, with Gordon and Dent being the only two with people close to them anyone knows about were also going to be targets.
It was glass I believe. After Batman smashed Joker's head into the two-way window.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 6, 2010 14:46:05 GMT -5
As far as the source of the knife, perhaps the cop carried one. it wasn't a knife, it was a piece of broken glass
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Jan 6, 2010 14:57:54 GMT -5
As far as the source of the knife, perhaps the cop carried one. it wasn't a knife, it was a piece of broken glass I thought it was glass too at first but you can see that its clearly a knife. Or just a very shiny piece of glass but there's nothing wrong with my vision.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 6, 2010 15:06:50 GMT -5
it wasn't a knife, it was a piece of broken glass I thought it was glass too at first but you can see that its clearly a knife. Or just a very shiny piece of glass but there's nothing wrong with my vision. its a pice of glass, its part of the two-way mirror
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 6, 2010 15:09:03 GMT -5
I thought it was glass too at first but you can see that its clearly a knife. Or just a very shiny piece of glass but there's nothing wrong with my vision. its a pice of glass, its part of the two-way mirror Yeah, it is reflective glass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 17:16:30 GMT -5
I have a question actually, I know this is probably me missing summit but when Joker has the money and Lao, its stated that that was his half of the moeny for doing his job but I thought his job was to kill Batman was it not? Or was it just to get him to stop or summit Oh and also, regarding Gordons faked death.............Was that whole plan not reliant on Dent or someone else not in on Batman/Gordons plan to pretend to be Batman? Since it'd be kinda hard to do without Bats When Joker offered to kill Batman at the group therapy, no one took him up. After Lao agreed to testifty, the mobsters were in a bar watching it on the news. I think it was the Chechen who said maybe we should talk to Joker. At least I think that happened. They could have told him to get the money back for them too. Also, symbolically, Joker had killed the Batman. Maroni told Batman that they were on to him and that he won't kill them and as long as someone like the Joker is around, he won't be that symbol of fear to them. I don't think the armored car plan would have happened if Bruce Wayne did reveal himself as Batman. But after Dent revealed himself as Batman, he contacted Gordon and did it the way we saw. With the character of Joker in the movie, having things go wrong would have been something he'd welcome since it'd like cause alot of chaos. Okay I can go with the finally suggesting they go the the joker and the job gets changed however if the armoured car plan was never intended to happen.........Then why did Gordon fake his own death? Was it just to protect his family from the joker whenever they did decide to take him on..........Actually re-reading it, that actually does make sense lol
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 6, 2010 17:34:26 GMT -5
I always assumed that all of the money was there and that Joker did only light his half on fire but since it was all right next to each other that the other half would burn as well. Kinda like a loophole to not make him a liar.
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Post by Flying Leg Kicks on Jan 6, 2010 20:01:57 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if there's going to be this many simple questions when the new superhero movie featuring Captain Obvious hits the screen next summer.
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Post by Parrish on Jan 6, 2010 20:14:39 GMT -5
I always assumed that all of the money was there and that Joker did only light his half on fire but since it was all right next to each other that the other half would burn as well. Kinda like a loophole to not make him a liar. thats exactly what he did, all Lau had put all the money in one spot and since Joker owned half of it, he burned his half which infact caused all the mobs money to burn. And Lau did not say that the money would be out of Dent's juradstiction, he said that HE would be in Hong Kong and out of Dent's Juradstiction. And I always took it as the Joker really knew how to handle himself when it comes to fighting. Someone already mentioned that he couldnt feel pain and thats why he laughed when Batman was beating the living hell out of him in the police station. Also Joker is clearly beating Batman in the fight at the end until Batman distracts him and defeats him. Great movie
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 8, 2010 23:31:40 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but why did Batman have to take the rap for Two-Face's crimes. Couldn't they have pinned then on the Joker?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 9, 2010 1:36:08 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but why did Batman have to take the rap for Two-Face's crimes. Couldn't they have pinned then on the Joker? No, because some of them were committed while Joker was in custody. Particularly, Dent died well after Joker was in custody. The story would have had to be Dent was the bad guy or that the Batman was.
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Post by tap on Jan 9, 2010 1:57:21 GMT -5
It's amazing that the Joker somehow knew the exact route that the Gotham police were escorting Harvey, to the point that he had men planted with cables in specific buildings to knock out a helicopter if the escort truck just so happened to call for back up. Mind you, when I think about the plot holes and overcomplicated schemes, I just think of this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6bD3SpIvk
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Post by Grendel on Jan 9, 2010 2:12:23 GMT -5
It's amazing that the Joker somehow knew the exact route that the Gotham police were escorting Harvey, to the point that he had men planted with cables in specific buildings to knock out a helicopter if the escort truck just so happened to call for back up. Mind you, when I think about the plot holes and overcomplicated schemes, I just think of this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6bD3SpIvkThat's one of my favorite parts of the movie. Like The Will To Act was in Batman Begins, it just sticks with you.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 9, 2010 3:16:22 GMT -5
It's amazing that the Joker somehow knew the exact route that the Gotham police were escorting Harvey, to the point that he had men planted with cables in specific buildings to knock out a helicopter if the escort truck just so happened to call for back up. Mind you, when I think about the plot holes and overcomplicated schemes, I just think of this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6bD3SpIvkJoker had information from Mahoney, who had a couple Major Case Squad cops in his pocket. They were told which route would be taken.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 9, 2010 10:05:28 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but why did Batman have to take the rap for Two-Face's crimes. Couldn't they have pinned then on the Joker? No, because some of them were committed while Joker was in custody. Particularly, Dent died well after Joker was in custody. The story would have had to be Dent was the bad guy or that the Batman was. Not only that but the SWAT team has already surrounded the building. They would have found dead Dent, Gordan, Gordan's family and Batman. Even if they didn't already know that the Joker was in custody by then, which is unlikely, they weren't going to find him at the scene so it's unlikely they could have pinned it on a man who wasn't even there.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Jan 9, 2010 10:15:48 GMT -5
I love this movie and all but there a few loose ends that need to be answered. Now I havent read the book to the movie which I have heard does exist so maybe the answers are there. Were the fake Batmans working with Scarecrow in the beginning? When the fakes show up he says thats not him and when the real deal shows up he says thats more like it. However when Batman saves the day he leaves them and says dont ever let me see you again. When Lao goes to Hong Kong Harvey Dent says to Gordon oh yeah you have scum in your office like Wertz & Ramierez. These two end up being the ones who set him and Rachel up to die. Why exactly did he think that they were scum? What happened to Lao? Did Joker just let him go? Did he just capture him so he could tie him up and throw money at him? I also noticed that when Joker burned his half of the money Lao wasnt on top of the money pile anymore. Did he just burn to death while up there? While were at it was that only The Joker's half of the money or all of the mob money because the other mob guy spazzes out when Joker has gasoline thrown on the money pile. After two face "dies" (its in quotes because some people think that he survived the fall and they faked his funeral.) Batman says they must not know what he did. Gordon says 5 dead two of them cops. Who are the five? 1. Wertz (cop) 2. Maroni's Driver 3. Maroni 4. ?? 5. ?? I've seen some youtubbers say the 2nd cop is ramierez and after Two-face pimp slapped her she busted her head and died from that. I would have thought that Dent would of killed her anyways since she is the one who betrayed rachel and he already thought of her as scum anyways. If Batman doesnt kill then why was he so totally willing to kill two-face? Gordon had a 50/50 chance. I think it would have been slightly better if we had seen if Gordon got heads or tails before Batman pushed him over. The fake Batmen were just a bunch of badly dressed vigilantes. Corruption was running rampant in GOtham CIty hence him knowing Wertz and Ramirez were dirty. They referred to Harvey as the "White Knight" because he was the only uncorrputable one in their town (besides Gordon). Lao. I'm assuming Lao went up with the money. The only one in that group The Joker lets live was Maroni (I have no idea why) and the Joker did mention he's only burning his half of the money (though he originally said his price to eliminate Batman was half of all of their stored money, leaving a LOT of cash somewhere else. Maybe Lao would know where it is...oops) The five (I believe) are: The lady judge blown up with all of those cards raining down Cop#1: Harvey Cop#2: Dent The former commissioner And the limo driver No way Maroni's dead and they wouldn't have killed off Ramirez like that, at least not off screen. The whole deal of the movie, the Joker's game was to see what people would do if pushed far enough. The Joker made mention to him having to break that #1 rule to save Harvey and Rachel and it carried over as Batman would have to break that rule to hopefully save Gordon and his family.
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Post by tap on Jan 9, 2010 12:52:35 GMT -5
It's amazing that the Joker somehow knew the exact route that the Gotham police were escorting Harvey, to the point that he had men planted with cables in specific buildings to knock out a helicopter if the escort truck just so happened to call for back up. Mind you, when I think about the plot holes and overcomplicated schemes, I just think of this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS6bD3SpIvkJoker had information from Mahoney, who had a couple Major Case Squad cops in his pocket. They were told which route would be taken. But that still doesn't explain how the Joker would know exactly when the escort vehicle would leave the underground highway, at what part of the highway, and how he knew to set up guys in the buildings, and where, just in case a helicopter shows up. It's one of those random acts of chance that works out perfectly for the Joker, like people not noticing explosives in a hospital or hundreds of barrels of gasoline on a ferry. I still can't help but go "oh come on" at how silly everything conveniently falls into place.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 9, 2010 18:22:20 GMT -5
Joker had information from Mahoney, who had a couple Major Case Squad cops in his pocket. They were told which route would be taken. But that still doesn't explain how the Joker would know exactly when the escort vehicle would leave the underground highway, at what part of the highway, and how he knew to set up guys in the buildings, and where, just in case a helicopter shows up. It's one of those random acts of chance that works out perfectly for the Joker, like people not noticing explosives in a hospital or hundreds of barrels of gasoline on a ferry. I still can't help but go "oh come on" at how silly everything conveniently falls into place. Actually, since he forced them into the tunnels initially, all he had to do was cover the first available exit from said tunnels that wasn't covered by the semi or the dumptruck.
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