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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 30, 2009 17:03:36 GMT -5
Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that the Cardinals' offer to free agent outfielder Matt Holliday is "believed to be" over $100 million.
The Orioles made an eight-year, $130 million offer to free agent outfielder Matt Holliday, according to Tracy Ringolsby of FOXSports.com.
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Post by ani on Dec 30, 2009 17:17:13 GMT -5
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Post by The Line on Dec 30, 2009 18:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 30, 2009 20:26:26 GMT -5
FINALLY! The Mets do something. Also Zambrano being traded for basically Mets-related junk would be Cub comedy at it's finest. Not really. The guy never stays healthy, isn't as good as people think he is, makes far too much money, and is a freaking headcase who distracts more than he does anything good for the team. The Cubs would be wise to get rid of his contract at this point. Carlos Zambrano has a full no-trade clause and has shown absolutely no inclination to waive it, let alone to go to New York. The Cubs might be trying to put something together, but Carlos is VERY unlikely to say yes (he will NOT go to an AL team unless they agree to let him hit for himself contractually). And the Cubs would need a big haul to trade him. He is still only 28, and as a full-time starter (2003-2009), he's averaged 14-8, 3.44 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 205 innings, and 32 starts. Last year was tough for him, but he still only allowed 10 homers in 168 innings in 28 starts and had pretty career-normal stats across the board.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 30, 2009 23:34:55 GMT -5
Not really. The guy never stays healthy, isn't as good as people think he is, makes far too much money, and is a freaking headcase who distracts more than he does anything good for the team. The Cubs would be wise to get rid of his contract at this point. Carlos Zambrano has a full no-trade clause and has shown absolutely no inclination to waive it, let alone to go to New York. The Cubs might be trying to put something together, but Carlos is VERY unlikely to say yes (he will NOT go to an AL team unless they agree to let him hit for himself contractually). And the Cubs would need a big haul to trade him. He is still only 28, and as a full-time starter (2003-2009), he's averaged 14-8, 3.44 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 205 innings, and 32 starts. Last year was tough for him, but he still only allowed 10 homers in 168 innings in 28 starts and had pretty career-normal stats across the board. It's his yo-yo starts that bug me most. One game he's ON...and then the next, it's walking 8 guys and giving up 3 run home runs every other inning.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 31, 2009 12:42:59 GMT -5
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2009 13:44:35 GMT -5
He's getting old...so three years kind of makes me wonder, but hey, atleast it isn't Milton Bradley!
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 31, 2009 13:50:07 GMT -5
He's getting old...so three years kind of makes me wonder, but hey, atleast it isn't Milton Bradley! $5 million is reasonable, though, for a hitter who can do what he does. The outfield defense concerns me over time, but otherwise I'm okay. And Highroad, Zambrano's "yo-yo" starts aren't as bas as you're saying. He's not a 1-A ace (he's paid like one, granted, but so is Dempster). But he is a quality two, and overall stats like his will win more than they lose. I'd hate to lose him unless they got an actual starter back for him. I'd guess that the lineup projects like this right now: Theriot Fukudome Lee Ramirez Soriano Byrd Fontenot/Baker Soto
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Post by The Line on Dec 31, 2009 13:57:04 GMT -5
Seattle is supposedly "kicking the tires" when it comes to the Twins' Francisco Liriano.
One (heavily) rumored trade possibility involves trading 2B Jose Lopez(and possibly someone else) for Liriano, and then possibly signing Hudson or F.Lopez to play 2nd(and still an outside chance at resigning Beltre, and moving Figgens to 2nd).
If Jack Z came pull this move off, Seattle would easily enter the "best rotation" convo(still a pace or two behind the NYY's and Boston's of the world, though).
King Felix Cliff Lee Francisco Liriano Ryan Rowland-Smith Ian Snell/Luke French/Doug Fister/Garrett Olsen/Jason Vargas(All 5 of these guys got a decent amount of starts because of injuries, trades, etc)
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Post by ani on Dec 31, 2009 18:30:35 GMT -5
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2009 18:45:34 GMT -5
He's getting old...so three years kind of makes me wonder, but hey, atleast it isn't Milton Bradley! $5 million is reasonable, though, for a hitter who can do what he does. The outfield defense concerns me over time, but otherwise I'm okay. And Highroad, Zambrano's "yo-yo" starts aren't as bas as you're saying. He's not a 1-A ace (he's paid like one, granted, but so is Dempster). But he is a quality two, and overall stats like his will win more than they lose. I'd hate to lose him unless they got an actual starter back for him. I'd guess that the lineup projects like this right now: Theriot Fukudome Lee Ramirez Soriano Byrd Fontenot/Baker Soto I'm not a stathead like you are. So I go off what I watch...which is Zambrano being overpaid to not pitch as well as he could more than 50% of the time.
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 31, 2009 21:02:05 GMT -5
I'm not a stathead like you are. So I go off what I watch...which is Zambrano being overpaid to not pitch as well as he could more than 50% of the time. I definitely do love stats (I'm the kind of ADHD that is internal wheels-spinning, not external rambunctiousness, so a screen full of spreadsheets and numbers are fun). But I also do know they have limitations. I agree completely that Big Z has yet to capitalize on his potential and possibly never will. But one thing I as a fan won't do is cross the money line. I will criticize a GM for giving a player a certain amount of money over a certain period of time, but I'll never blame a player for taking it. So Zambrano (along with Soriano, Dempster, Aaron Miles, Luis Vizcaino, and Kosuke Fukudome) will be one of the people the Cubs owe money to in 2010 (yep - they cut two years of the Viz-mopper last April post-Marquis trade) that earns appreciably more than their likely worth. My interest as a fan, though, is in production. Is it frustrating to see an expensive player struggle? Sure. But I know that a healthy 1-2-3 of Zambrano, Lilly and Dempster will statistically earn their salaries. That is, they put the Cubs in a position to win much more often than they fail to do so. Those three last year (stathead, again) were worth something like 11 wins above a replacement-level player (spot starter given 30 starts). Each were in the 3.5-3.7 range, comparable to SF's Matt Cain. What it comes down to, for me, is the basic idea of what a pitcher does. A pitcher's job description is simply to get outs and limit runs. If he gives up a ton of walks but allows few home runs, then the damage will be limited as it is with Zambrano. If he gives up a ton of homers but keeps the bases clear, then the damage will be limited, as it is with Ted Lilly. And sometimes a guy just pitches to the edges, gets weak contact, and efficiently does the job like Randy Wells did and, hopefully, will do. I want my starters to pitch into the 7th, on average. I want my closer to be good for 5 outs. I want a LOOGY and a ROOGY I can count on to finish the 7th. And I want an 8th inning guy who simply has great stuff, preferably not too similar to that of the closer (i.e., Guzman's cutter got nasty as the season progressed, making him a viable precursor to Carlos Marmol).
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2009 23:47:52 GMT -5
I'm not a stathead like you are. So I go off what I watch...which is Zambrano being overpaid to not pitch as well as he could more than 50% of the time. I definitely do love stats (I'm the kind of ADHD that is internal wheels-spinning, not external rambunctiousness, so a screen full of spreadsheets and numbers are fun). But I also do know they have limitations. I agree completely that Big Z has yet to capitalize on his potential and possibly never will. But one thing I as a fan won't do is cross the money line. I will criticize a GM for giving a player a certain amount of money over a certain period of time, but I'll never blame a player for taking it. So Zambrano (along with Soriano, Dempster, Aaron Miles, Luis Vizcaino, and Kosuke Fukudome) will be one of the people the Cubs owe money to in 2010 (yep - they cut two years of the Viz-mopper last April post-Marquis trade) that earns appreciably more than their likely worth. My interest as a fan, though, is in production. Is it frustrating to see an expensive player struggle? Sure. But I know that a healthy 1-2-3 of Zambrano, Lilly and Dempster will statistically earn their salaries. That is, they put the Cubs in a position to win much more often than they fail to do so. Those three last year (stathead, again) were worth something like 11 wins above a replacement-level player (spot starter given 30 starts). Each were in the 3.5-3.7 range, comparable to SF's Matt Cain. What it comes down to, for me, is the basic idea of what a pitcher does. A pitcher's job description is simply to get outs and limit runs. If he gives up a ton of walks but allows few home runs, then the damage will be limited as it is with Zambrano. If he gives up a ton of homers but keeps the bases clear, then the damage will be limited, as it is with Ted Lilly. And sometimes a guy just pitches to the edges, gets weak contact, and efficiently does the job like Randy Wells did and, hopefully, will do. I want my starters to pitch into the 7th, on average. I want my closer to be good for 5 outs. I want a LOOGY and a ROOGY I can count on to finish the 7th. And I want an 8th inning guy who simply has great stuff, preferably not too similar to that of the closer (i.e., Guzman's cutter got nasty as the season progressed, making him a viable precursor to Carlos Marmol). I hear ya. (And btw, the stathead thing wasn't ment as a rag on you or anything. Just in case ya may have thought I was putting you down for that. Totally wasn't.) I think I'd be more accepting of Zambrano if he wasn't such a headcase...and if he cared less about hitting.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 31, 2009 23:55:25 GMT -5
Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Cardinals and free agent outfielder Matt Holliday are "working toward an agreement" that is "gaining momentum."
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 31, 2009 23:56:24 GMT -5
With Marlon Byrd bound for Chicago, the Rangers are looking to bolster to the middle of their lineup, reports T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com.
Chan Ho Park will not return to the Phillies next season, reports Todd Zolecki of MLB.com.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 31, 2009 23:56:58 GMT -5
Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that the Cardinals and free agent outfielder Matt Holliday are "working toward an agreement" that is "gaining momentum." Tomorrow's Headline: "The New York Yankees and Matt Holliday have agreed to terms on a 9 year/250 million dollar contract."
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 1, 2010 23:42:26 GMT -5
Chipper Jones told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday that he's taking a "year-to-year" approach on retirement.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 1, 2010 23:53:21 GMT -5
With Marlon Byrd bound for Chicago, the Rangers are looking to bolster to the middle of their lineup, reports T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com. For God's sake, Vladimir Guerrero!!! Throw whatever you've got at him NOW!!!
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Post by S-Chrome on Jan 1, 2010 23:56:53 GMT -5
Tomorrow's Headline: "The New York Yankees and Matt Holliday have agreed to terms on a 9 year/250 million dollar contract." All Yankee-hating cynicism aside, the Yankees in all likelihood won't get Holliday. Also, what kind of silly contract is that? I could see that if they went after Pujols, but Holliday? Come on.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 2, 2010 1:25:16 GMT -5
Tomorrow's Headline: "The New York Yankees and Matt Holliday have agreed to terms on a 9 year/250 million dollar contract." All Yankee-hating cynicism aside, the Yankees in all likelihood won't get Holliday. Also, what kind of silly contract is that? I could see that if they went after Pujols, but Holliday? Come on. The contract was a joke number that was ment to be WAY more than what the Cards are offering.
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