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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 6, 2010 14:29:19 GMT -5
If Marriotti is on Around the Horn today, he could well be RIDDEN.
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 6, 2010 14:30:25 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't vote for the HOF if they have the opportunity? What are the excuses for not voting? Laziness? Making a statement against the process? Anyone who turns in a blank ballot needs to lose their voting privileges immediately.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Jan 6, 2010 14:33:39 GMT -5
Is Dawson going in as an Expo or as a Cub? Though he was one of the Cubs' best all time players, his biggest successes and best stats were with the Expos. That's true but he won the 1987 NL MVP with the Cubs and become much more famous as a Cub. IMO, when people think of Andre Dawson, they think of him as a Cub, unless you were a fan of then Expos.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jan 6, 2010 14:34:42 GMT -5
Dawson said that he doesn't know what team he will be inducted with. The Hall decides it, and I'm guessing they'll probably put him in as a Cub in that case.
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Post by smokinvokoun on Jan 6, 2010 14:36:08 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't vote for the HOF if they have the opportunity? What are the excuses for not voting? Laziness? Making a statement against the process? Anyone who turns in a blank ballot needs to lose their voting privileges immediately. I didn't know that it wasn't required of the Hall of Fame voters to actually vote. How can you not vote on a few players you think should be in the hall. Maybe it was making a statement, but still don't screw someone out of the hall because you were either lazy or "making a statement". There are many people who don't like the hall of fame voters, don't give more reasons to hate you.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 6, 2010 14:51:13 GMT -5
Blank ballots really piss me off.
The assholes that dont vote make it all about them, and thats just f***ing wrong. Marriotti can go f*** himself.
And this anger is coming from a guy who has no horse in the race, so to speak
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 6, 2010 14:56:19 GMT -5
It's also worth mentioning that the following players all received a vote:
Pat Hentgen, Kevin Appier, David Segui.
Someone out there thought giving a Hall of Fame vote to David Segui was a good idea. My message to those voters: You wanna be nice to a guy you covered when he was playing or show your respect to him, that's fine. Just don't do it by giving him a vote for the MLB Hall of Fame. Makes you look like a joke.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 6, 2010 14:57:13 GMT -5
The blank ballot or intentionally voting for someone second because you don't want them to be all around 1st place ballots is one of those 'political statements' that is pretty annoying.
That's the way it works though -- just shows you that in any walk of life, there is a way to exploit certain loopholes.
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Post by ani on Jan 6, 2010 15:00:54 GMT -5
Wow, Blyleven may have a case for collusion there. That's ridiculous.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 6, 2010 15:17:01 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't vote for the HOF if they have the opportunity? What are the excuses for not voting? Laziness? Making a statement against the process? Anyone who turns in a blank ballot needs to lose their voting privileges immediately. Some voters have actually stated that they don't want any player to be elected to the Hall on the first ballot, which is a completely stupid way of thinking. If you were a dominant player in your era or recognized as one of the best at your position (as Alomar was), you absolutely deserve to get inducted in your first year of eligibility. Making a moronic statement like leaving your ballot blank just to make sure someone doesn't appear on every ballot is simply petty and selfish.
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 6, 2010 15:24:08 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't vote for the HOF if they have the opportunity? What are the excuses for not voting? Laziness? Making a statement against the process? Anyone who turns in a blank ballot needs to lose their voting privileges immediately. Some voters have actually stated that they don't want any player to be elected to the Hall on the first ballot, which is a completely stupid way of thinking. If you were a dominant player in your era or recognized as one of the best at your position (as Alomar was), you absolutely deserve to get inducted in your first year of eligibility. Making a moronic statement like leaving your ballot blank just to make sure someone doesn't appear on every ballot is simply petty and selfish. I've always hated the bullshit "But this guy doesn't deserve to get in on the first ballot" excuse. Just vote for the guy as soon as he's listed on the ballot. Alomar was arguably the best 2B of the 90s. It's just pathetic that so many of these old baseball writers who aren't really all that intelligent to begin with have to try and further their agendas by snubbing worthy players.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 6, 2010 15:27:12 GMT -5
Anybody remember when one write snubbed Pedro for MVP in '99 because "he'd NEVER vote a picther as MVP"
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Post by The Line on Jan 6, 2010 15:28:45 GMT -5
yeah, Alomar only didn't get elected because of the 1st ballot issue. He'll get 80+ next year, for sure.
And dang, Edgar got 37%. That's pretty decent for a 1st ballot DH
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 6, 2010 15:29:05 GMT -5
I personally think they should leave every ballot empty except for Dale Murphy.
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Post by Insomniac on Jan 6, 2010 15:30:39 GMT -5
Anybody remember when one write snubbed Pedro for MVP in '99 because "he'd NEVER vote a picther as MVP" The NY Post's George King. He said this despite the fact that for the 1998 MVP ballot, he voted for Rick Helling and David Wells (who was then a Yankee). He's a piece of trash who couldn't just admit that he let his bias get in the way of his voting.
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Post by stealthamo on Jan 6, 2010 15:38:59 GMT -5
What kind of person doesn't vote for the HOF if they have the opportunity? What are the excuses for not voting? Laziness? Making a statement against the process? Anyone who turns in a blank ballot needs to lose their voting privileges immediately. Some voters have actually stated that they don't want any player to be elected to the Hall on the first ballot, which is a completely stupid way of thinking. If you were a dominant player in your era or recognized as one of the best at your position (as Alomar was), you absolutely deserve to get inducted in your first year of eligibility. Making a moronic statement like leaving your ballot blank just to make sure someone doesn't appear on every ballot is simply petty and selfish. It's the same as nobody getting a 100% vote on a ballot just because the original class was. I mean, I understand but they should've, but let the players who deserve to get in deserve to get in.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 6, 2010 15:40:05 GMT -5
Anybody remember when one write snubbed Pedro for MVP in '99 because "he'd NEVER vote a picther as MVP" The NY Post's George King. He said this despite the fact that for the 1998 MVP ballot, he voted for Rick Helling and David Wells (who was then a Yankee). He's a piece of trash who couldn't just admit that he let his bias get in the way of his voting. That's right too, I KNEW I forgot another aspect to the story. Thanks for clearing that up. Just to jog everyone's memory, that was the year Pedro steamrolled everyone going 23-4 with a 2.07 era and helped get the Sox to the playoffs. How important was he? Here's the rest of you staff that year: Brian Rose: 7-6 4.87 ERA Brett Saberhagen 10-6 2.96 ERA Patt Rapp 6-7 4.12 ERA Mark Portagul 7-12 5.51 ERA He had 7 fewer wins than the rest of rotation combined. YIKES
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 6, 2010 15:41:56 GMT -5
Awwww, poor Mark McGwire didn't make it. ;D
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Post by Desi on Jan 6, 2010 15:45:13 GMT -5
Awwww, poor Mark McGwire didn't make it. ;D I don't think anyone is expecting him to. And I agree with stripping the vote from people who give in empty ballots, talk about completely defeating the purpose.
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 6, 2010 18:21:46 GMT -5
I can honestly say I've hated the Hall of Fame voting process for a long time.
When the time comes and they of course deny Barry Bonds his entrance, I will never take the Hall of Fame seriously ever again. The deal with Pete Rose is already ridiculous enough, Bonds will just clinch it for me. In my mind it will be about as legit as the WWE's HOF process of who's in good graces at the time.
Not everyone in the Hall is a boy scout, upstanding citizen, it's about baseball and what you did on the field, not how you treated the media, or substances you took, IMO. If you put up the numbers, you put up the numbers. Whether your a gambler, in prison, a drug user, if your career numbers warrant it, open the gates.
Plus I've been an unapologetic Barry Bonds fan forever, so maybe my opinion shouldn't count.
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