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Post by The Line on Jan 7, 2010 19:36:17 GMT -5
Poor guy. Defects out of Cuba to get a chance in the US and gets conned into a deal with the Royals. Whoever his agent is, fire him. Royals Owner-Remember the music, beaches, warm sun, women in bikinis, fresh seafood etc that you had in Cuba? Well we have none of that. Kansas City is however the fountain capital of the world. Who doesn't love a nice fountain?
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 8, 2010 6:08:06 GMT -5
A source informed the Fort Worth Star-Telegram Thursday evening that the Rangers have not offered a one-year, $7 million contract to Vladimir Guerrero
Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes first reported news of the offer Thursday afternoon. The Rangers undoubtedly have interest in Vlad and may have sent an the framework of a deal his way, but chances are it's less than $7 million.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 8, 2010 9:05:41 GMT -5
Just saw on MLB Network that the Braves picked up Eric Hinske. That bodes well for Braves fans, as Hinske has played in each of the last three World Series.
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jan 8, 2010 12:34:57 GMT -5
Just saw on MLB Network that the Braves picked up Eric Hinske. That bodes well for Braves fans, as Hinske has played in each of the last three World Series. Good to see Eric "Last Out" Hinske still has a job. ;D To Phillies fans, he's most famous for striking out against Brad Lidge to end to 2008 World Series.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jan 8, 2010 13:02:41 GMT -5
Good to see Eric "Last Out" Hinske still has a job. ;D To Phillies fans, he's most famous for striking out against Brad Lidge to end to 2008 World Series. He also drew a walk in two plate appearances, and scored a run in the Phillies miserable World Series defeat in 2009. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 8, 2010 17:55:12 GMT -5
Just saw on MLB Network that the Braves picked up Eric Hinske. That bodes well for Braves fans, as Hinske has played in each of the last three World Series. I'm surprised that he didn't sign with Baltimore to complete his tour of the AL East.
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Post by ani on Jan 8, 2010 18:00:15 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 8, 2010 21:42:50 GMT -5
Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Rangers are "still pushing" on Jermaine Dye.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 8, 2010 21:43:18 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Yankees, Athletics and Padres are among five teams interested in free agent infielder-outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr.
According to Rosenthal, the versatile Hairston figures to make $2-3 million on a one-year deal, but has also received multi-year offers. Hairston, who turns 34 in May, batted .251/.315/.394 with 10 home runs and 39 RBI in 383 at-bats between the Reds and Yankees last season.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 8, 2010 22:34:59 GMT -5
A source informed Anthony Andro of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that nothing has changed in negotiations between the Rangers and free agent outfielder Vladimir Guerrero.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jan 8, 2010 23:05:03 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Yankees, Athletics and Padres are among five teams interested in free agent infielder-outfielder Jerry Hairston Jr. According to Rosenthal, the versatile Hairston figures to make $2-3 million on a one-year deal, but has also received multi-year offers. Hairston, who turns 34 in May, batted .251/.315/.394 with 10 home runs and 39 RBI in 383 at-bats between the Reds and Yankees last season. I guess since the Yanks already whiffed on Hinske, they'll do themselves well by adding Hairston back to the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2010 11:56:21 GMT -5
The HOF shouldn't be just about numbers, it should also be what it claims: spirit of play, sportsmanship, honor in and of the game, bringing the community together.
Times have changed and so should the voting process. I think it should be regionalized. Break it up into sections of the country who actually saw these guys play instead of simply comparing numbers. Guys who saw the heart, the focus, determination.
If you're just going to make it about numbers, then kick everyone off the list who didn't reach those benchmarks. The ballot will be a lot cleaner that way, and guys won't be "suffering" through 15 years of vote totals around 20% - although a lot of them really don't care after about 10 years unless their vote totals go up. (The guys on MLB Network said some guys don't even get to the ballot process. Who exactly got left off, yet David Segui gets a chance to be voted on?) But, if you want a true cross-section of all of baseball, then you'll have to take into account every little detail about every player allowed.
I know MLB, it's going to take a little WORK and THOUGHT! There are no longer any "no-brainer" picks. The game has changed over the last 30 years. So should the standards.
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Post by Desi on Jan 9, 2010 12:14:45 GMT -5
The HOF shouldn't be just about numbers, it should also be what it claims: spirit of play, sportsmanship, honor in and of the game, bringing the community together. Times have changed and so should the voting process. I think it should be regionalized. Break it up into sections of the country who actually saw these guys play instead of simply comparing numbers. Guys who saw the heart, the focus, determination. If you're just going to make it about numbers, then kick everyone off the list who didn't reach those benchmarks. The ballot will be a lot cleaner that way, and guys won't be "suffering" through 15 years of vote totals around 20% - although a lot of them really don't care after about 10 years unless their vote totals go up. (The guys on MLB Network said some guys don't even get to the ballot process. Who exactly got left off, yet David Segui gets a chance to be voted on?) But, if you want a true cross-section of all of baseball, then you'll have to take into account every little detail about every player allowed. I know MLB, it's going to take a little WORK and THOUGHT! There are no longer any "no-brainer" picks. The game has changed over the last 30 years. So should the standards. I wouldn't have a problem with this if it weren't for the fact that the people who vote for the HOF have taken this to the character-half of the extreme, i.e.: "So-and-so player was rude to me and/or I didn't like him though his numbers backed up his achievements? Well, I won't vote for him!" It's become so blatantly character-based (Positive career number be damned) these days to get into the HOF, Steroid Era shenanigans or not, that I'm finding the HOF less credible as time goes on with their incredible biases of their voters (especially those wish want to make a "personal statement" by not voting at all).
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Jan 9, 2010 15:05:58 GMT -5
Ty Cobb represents character, spirit of play, sportsmanship, honor in and of the game, bringing the community together. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by ani on Jan 9, 2010 22:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by Tyfo on Jan 10, 2010 0:05:44 GMT -5
Reserve Vlad's MVP trophy now. And Ted Williams, sorry, but it's time to step aside. I'm predicting a .410 average for Vlad! What's the record for doubles in a season? Just wondering how quick he annihilates that with 81 games in Arlington instead of like 8.
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Post by H-Fist on Jan 10, 2010 0:29:00 GMT -5
I remember back in the early 90s when Andre Dawson's career was winding down. He was considered, at the time, a no-brainer Hall of Famer. Doesn't anyone recall the controversy when he said that if anyone signed him as a free agent, he'd wear their cap to the Hall? Only 7 players have won more Gold Gloves as outfielders than Dawson's 8 (Clemente, Mays, Griffey, A. Jones, Kaline, T. Hunter, Ichiro). His numbers for his career are pretty sick given the era in which he played. I'm pretty sure that only he, Mays and Bonds recorded 400+ homers and 300+ steals.
So what happened? He retired after the 1996 season and was first eligible for consideration in 2002. On that ballot, Ozzie Smith alone was selected with over 90% of the vote, while Dawson joined Gary Carter, Jim Rice, revolutionary closers Bruce Sutter and Goose Gossage, and all-but-certain 2011 inductee Bert Blyleven as those who would have to wait. Also on the ballot were 280-plus-game winners Jim Kaat and Tommy John, who both failed to be elected before their 15-year eligibility passed. Dawson was not alone, then, in being a victim of circumstance.
The following year, Ryne Sandberg failed to garner even 50% of the vote, despite being (at the time) considered the best overall second baseman in the game's history (10 All Star [starter 84, 86-93], 9 Gold Gloves, 7 Silver Sluggers, an MVP award, .385/.457/.641 in limited playoff time, then-tops among 2B in homers). People looked at Jeff Kent's power and the kind of "meh" numbers a guy like Ray Durham put up in the steroid era and forgot that Sandberg's numbers - like Dawson's or Carter's or Rice's or Blyleven's - meant something wholly different in the 1980s and pre-strike 1990s.
These players were also hampered by the rise of ubiquitous cable TV and internet. It was easy to see out-of-town players more than a couple times per year when they played the home team. Thus, the mystique of players in the other league or division diminished. Baseball cards and newspaper box scores, long the only access to many players, were irrelevant. But with those changes, history was redefined. The definition of "the present" became restricted to the here and now, rather than the recent past. Thus, in 2003, the stats of 1998 and 1988 had become equally ancient. I believe that is even more the case now, when it seems that everyone has completely forgotten about the absolute greatness of Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar. Dustin Pedroia's MVP award was "unprecedented," despite Larkin winning the 1995 NL MVP Award with a .319/.394/.492 triple slash and 15 homers/51 steals. But 13 years might as well be a century.
So we are in the midst of an era where memories are short-term and the historically significant statistics and benchmarks (for pitchers: W, ERA, K, CG, CYA; for others: HR, RBI, SB, GG, MVP) no longer bear the same meaning, let alone significance, as they did for so long previously. If the historical benchmarks for starting pitchers hold into the future, then John Smoltz, Andy Pettite and Pedro Martinez are perhaps the only and last active Hall-of-Fame candidates who play the position. Meanwhile, the elections of Fingers, Sutter, Eckersley and Gossage and the exclusion of Lee Smith have done little to establish any baseline criteria for elite closers seeking entry (Trevor Hoffman, Mariano Rivera, John Franco, Billy Wagner, Robb Nen, Joe Nathan, and K-Rod will need to be sorted out somehow across eras and numbers).
Players of the other 8 positions and DH also will need to see their statistical accomplishments reevaluated. But how? Obviously, 500 home runs is no longer a shoo-in statistic. Otherwise, Fred McGriff's 490 would have garnered him more votes this year. In fact, 24 of the 45 players in the game's history with over 400 home runs are in Cooperstown. Of the other 21, 9 are currently active (K Griffey, A Rodriguez, J Thome, M Ramirez, G Sheffield, C Delgado, C Jones, Ja Giambi, V Guerrero), 7 have not yet been eligible (B Bonds, S Sosa, R Palmeiro, F Thomas, J Bagwell, J Gonzalez, M Piazza), and 2 are currently on the ballot (M McGwire, F McGriff). The only members of the 400 HR Club who have been denied by the BBWAA are Jose Canseco, Dave Kingman, and Darrell Evans.
In Jose Canseco's only year on the ballot, 2007, he actually received fewer votes than Bret Saberhagen (7-6). Kingman's .236/.302/.478 career triple slash reminds us that he was a true one-trick pony, a power hitter who gave little else to his team. This was reflected in the less-than-1% of the vote he received in 1992, his first year of eligibility.
Dwight Evans, though, is a more interesting and valuable case. Evans barely made the cut with 28 votes in 1997, his first year of eligibility. In January of 1998, he jumped all the way to 10.4% and 49 votes. Dave Parker likewise jumped from 17.5% to 24.5% and Steve Garvey from 35% to 41%. But then Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire chased Roger Maris through the summer, and the steroid era was in full swing. What happened in January of 1999 to Evans, Parker and Garvey? Garvey dropped to 30%, Parker to 16%, and Evans to 3.6% and off the ballot. By 2004, Garvey was down to 20% and Parker to 10%. The steroid era, aided by the SportsCenterization of highlights, scores and analysis, completely devalued - quite literally in the span of a few months - everything that had come before it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 0:35:01 GMT -5
The HOF shouldn't be just about numbers, it should also be what it claims: spirit of play, sportsmanship, honor in and of the game, bringing the community together. Times have changed and so should the voting process. I think it should be regionalized. Break it up into sections of the country who actually saw these guys play instead of simply comparing numbers. Guys who saw the heart, the focus, determination. If you're just going to make it about numbers, then kick everyone off the list who didn't reach those benchmarks. The ballot will be a lot cleaner that way, and guys won't be "suffering" through 15 years of vote totals around 20% - although a lot of them really don't care after about 10 years unless their vote totals go up. (The guys on MLB Network said some guys don't even get to the ballot process. Who exactly got left off, yet David Segui gets a chance to be voted on?) But, if you want a true cross-section of all of baseball, then you'll have to take into account every little detail about every player allowed. I know MLB, it's going to take a little WORK and THOUGHT! There are no longer any "no-brainer" picks. The game has changed over the last 30 years. So should the standards. I wouldn't have a problem with this if it weren't for the fact that the people who vote for the HOF have taken this to the character-half of the extreme, i.e.: "So-and-so player was rude to me and/or I didn't like him though his numbers backed up his achievements? Well, I won't vote for him!" It's become so blatantly character-based (Positive career number be damned) these days to get into the HOF, Steroid Era shenanigans or not, that I'm finding the HOF less credible as time goes on with their incredible biases of their voters (especially those wish want to make a "personal statement" by not voting at all). To add to your point: If the Red Sox have not won two World Series titles over the past 5 seasons, Jim Rice would be sitting by his phone, nervously awaiting the Veterans' Committee decision on whether he's deemed worthy enough of induction. Winning a championship tends to soften even the hardest of hearts, and the sudden change in favor of Jim was a result of that accomplishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 0:57:05 GMT -5
What's the record for doubles in a season? Just wondering how quick he annihilates that with 81 games in Arlington instead of like 8. 67 by Earl Webb of the Red Sox in 1931.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jan 10, 2010 1:46:45 GMT -5
So the plan to make the Houston Phillies is working out well.
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