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Post by therealmamamiller on Jan 11, 2010 12:28:18 GMT -5
Why is all the blame or the great majority of it fall on the organization instead of the individual. Everybody damns Vince to hell but then seems to be glad that Jeff Hardy is in TNA. Why on earth would TNA use somebody with major drug issues like Hardy? Don't get me wrong I am horrified about all of the deaths in pro wrestling but every single one of these people had freedom of choice and chose drugs. If somebody is out of the WWE for years and then meets a sad ending why is it anybody but their own fault?
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Post by BxB on Jan 11, 2010 12:30:22 GMT -5
Why is all the blame or the great majority of it fall on the organization instead of the individual. Everybody damns Vince to hell but then seems to be glad that Jeff Hardy is in TNA. Why on earth would TNA use somebody with major drug issues like Hardy? Don't get me wrong I am horrified about all of the deaths in pro wrestling but every single one of these people had freedom of choice and chose drugs. If somebody is out of the WWE for years and then meets a sad ending why is it anybody but their own fault? You're right. Not all of the blame should be placed on the organization or the employer, but if the employer or the organization creates an environment where steroid usage is promoted, then they should be blamed. |
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Post by baerrtt on Jan 11, 2010 13:35:34 GMT -5
Movie studios and record labels, like promotions, can certainly take the blame in terms of negligence and pressure.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Jan 11, 2010 13:46:20 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with steroids if the person doesn't go overboard.
Also WWE does full testing, from brain to heart and etc.. So if they found something wrong and it was possiblly steriod related they'd tell the person to stop and atleast try and make them get help and if they didn't I'd guess WWE would releases them.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 11, 2010 13:52:24 GMT -5
Why is all the blame or the great majority of it fall on the organization instead of the individual. Everybody damns Vince to hell but then seems to be glad that Jeff Hardy is in TNA. Why on earth would TNA use somebody with major drug issues like Hardy? Don't get me wrong I am horrified about all of the deaths in pro wrestling but every single one of these people had freedom of choice and chose drugs. If somebody is out of the WWE for years and then meets a sad ending why is it anybody but their own fault? You're right. Not all of the blame should be placed on the organization or the employer, but if the employer or the organization creates an environment where steroid usage is promoted, then they should be blamed. TNA would not be exempt if a drug scandal happened to them. Some would say they've come dangerously close to getting involved in one through the hiring of certain people(Sean Waltman, Hall, Hardy). The thing is: 1. TNA didn't even exist in the 80s/90s and doesn't have its own scandal history yet in regards to such things. 2. TNA is very secretive in regards to how it operates, since its not a publically traded company. |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 11, 2010 15:10:14 GMT -5
Why is all the blame or the great majority of it fall on the organization instead of the individual. Everybody damns Vince to hell but then seems to be glad that Jeff Hardy is in TNA. Why on earth would TNA use somebody with major drug issues like Hardy? Don't get me wrong I am horrified about all of the deaths in pro wrestling but every single one of these people had freedom of choice and chose drugs. If somebody is out of the WWE for years and then meets a sad ending why is it anybody but their own fault? It shouldn't all fall on the organization, but neither should people be blind about the role a promotion that keeps guys performing all year without much of a rest plays. Now, you do have to look at the individual. It's their own decision to enter the business and their own decision to try to do what it takes to get to the top, but you can't ignore it if the business itself is tailored to getting people hooked on meds and steroids and that contributes to health problems down the road. Movie studios and record labels, like promotions, can certainly take the blame in terms of negligence and pressure. Sorry, I really just can't take that argument seriously. Movie studios and record labels don't have the same occupational hazards as wrestling promotions do. It's an entirely different environment, so you can't really compare the types and reasons for use that each side uses. There's a big difference in Heath Ledger OD'ing and a wrestler downing a bottle of pain pills to stay on the road 300 days a year. Actors are independent contractors, they can do whatever they want and work with whomever they want as long as they fulfill their contract. Wrestlers with the WWE are lone employees and are on the company time more often than they're not. The business itself leads toward abuse of certain substances, and a lot of wrestlers have fallen into it. Now, if it's recreational drug use ala Hardy, it's a different matter. WWE can't do anything but offer help. But their work schedule isn't the same as musicians and actors, nor are the physical demands the same. |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 11, 2010 16:34:05 GMT -5
Why is all the blame or the great majority of it fall on the organization instead of the individual. Everybody damns Vince to hell but then seems to be glad that Jeff Hardy is in TNA. Why on earth would TNA use somebody with major drug issues like Hardy? Don't get me wrong I am horrified about all of the deaths in pro wrestling but every single one of these people had freedom of choice and chose drugs. If somebody is out of the WWE for years and then meets a sad ending why is it anybody but their own fault? You're right. Not all of the blame should be placed on the organization or the employer, but if the employer or the organization creates an environment where steroid usage is promoted, then they should be blamed. I do agree with this. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 11, 2010 16:44:48 GMT -5
While WWE could be doing more as far as taking care of its talent (past, present, and future), to say they are solely to blame is insane. There are other promotions (dead or alive) that are also to blame. In wrestling (as well as in other sports), if you can make the company money.....they will look the other way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 16:49:19 GMT -5
Pain medication in its various forms these days seems to be a bigger downfall for wrestlers than steroids.
Best solution to that would seem to be lightening up their house show schedule a little bit, along with being a bit more generous with vacation time.
Or here's another idea. Mandatory 3 week vacation once per 52 weeks for any employee wrestling more than x matches(including house shows) during a 52 week period. Set the value of x to something that anyone regularly used will easily exceed. The actual date of the vacation can be staggered, so if someone goes on vacation on Feb 1st, they aren't going on exactly Feb 1st the next year. Then it's easy to make kayfabe storylines for guys making their "comeback" too without it looking silly.
Basically rather than look solely at ways to catch people taking pain medicine, which they'll find ways around anyway if they insist on it, work proactively to make it easier for wrestlers to get by without them. It would probably help a great deal.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 12, 2010 11:48:40 GMT -5
While WWE could be doing more as far as taking care of its talent (past, present, and future), to say they are solely to blame is insane. There are other promotions (dead or alive) that are also to blame. In wrestling (as well as in other sports), if you can make the company money.....they will look the other way. I don't think anyone would argue that WWE is solely to blame, but let's face facts: WWF/WWE was the first major promotion to tour internationally on a consistent basis, it was the first major promotion to run over 300 dates a year, every year, and in every corner of the world, and Vince is regarded as the man who pushed the image of the 'roided up superhero to the top of the wrestling world. WCW was no better in most regards, and it's not like promoters of the older territories weren't often scumbags, but the kind of scandals we're discussing today were given legs in the locker rooms and offices of the old WWF. |
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