The Return of the "Liontamer" thread.

[a1TheEnigma1a]

I don't think this has been done yet but one of my favourite parts of the night was Jericho locking in the REAL Walls of Jericho/Liontamer. Have been wanting to see that for a while.

[Greer]

I was very surprised by this. Not sure if Jericho just wanted to "stretch the rookie" or what reason it was but it was nice to see. I have been sick of that lazy ass looking Boston Crab for a while now.

[Krimzon]

This makes me really miss Paul London. He could take the Liontamer like a champ. After the bump AmDrag took, taking the Liontamer in the same match is nothing short of epic.

[The Tank]

He does it all the time these days, but only on smaller guys.

Still, I certainly appreciate seeing it.

[Tapout]

I don't. It's not like it requires any particular skill on Jericho's part to apply it, and all it does is put a lot of strain on the other guy's neck. Neck injuries are anything but awesome. Given the WWE's road schedule, all that wear and tear isn't good. Even a Boston crab can look good if it's booked and sold properly.

It's a perfect example of how Jericho gets "appreciation" that he really didn't do anything to deserve, and why he's overrated.

[Greer]

Feb 24, 2010 15:16:14 GMT -5 Tapout said:

I don't. It's not like it requires any particular skill on Jericho's part to apply it, and all it does is put a lot of strain on the other guy's neck. Neck injuries are anything but awesome. Given the WWE's road schedule, all that wear and tear isn't good. Even a Boston crab can look good if it's booked and sold properly.

It's a perfect example of how Jericho gets "appreciation" that he really didn't do anything to deserve, and why he's overrated.

Oh come on. CM Punk could pick his nose and eat it and get a thread dedicated to it.

I'm sure they know a way to make it look like it hurts more than it does. That's the point of the move. To make it look like it hurts.

[Krimzon]

Feb 24, 2010 15:16:14 GMT -5 Tapout said:

I don't. It's not like it requires any particular skill on Jericho's part to apply it, and all it does is put a lot of strain on the other guy's neck. Neck injuries are anything but awesome. Given the WWE's road schedule, all that wear and tear isn't good. Even a Boston crab can look good if it's booked and sold properly.

It's a perfect example of how Jericho gets "appreciation" that he really didn't do anything to deserve, and why he's overrated.

Jericho does deserve the appreciation because he's the one that's actually doing the move. The submission is painful and brutal looking. That's why people like it. People like Jericho. People like him more when he does the Liontamer because they love the move. I've never come across a story where somebody was seriously injured by the Liontamer. Most people tap instantly.

[hitokiri]

The reason he's unable to properly utilize this move is due to the less flexible opponents he's working with. In Japan/ECW/WCW, he had more athletic opponents to work with. In WWE, welll, need I say more?

On a related note, I think there should be more genuinely athletic and genuinely tough people getting into the business. Some things are unnecessary risks, but a lot of things have been eliminated or toned down because we're stuck with all of these fragile, non-athletic guys. I'm sorry, but mic skills and a good look don't always mean best. I think toughness should be a prerequisite as well.

[Tapout]

Feb 24, 2010 15:22:09 GMT -5 hitokiri said:

The reason he's unable to properly utilize this move is due to the less flexible opponents he's working with.

Is it because his opponents all suck? Or is it because they're all working in WWE, which has an insanely grueling road schedule where the Liontamer as a regular spot would mean guys having to take the submission multiple times a week, every week, 52 weeks a year, in addition to all the other wear and tear they take? Think it over.

It's not that great of a submission, and the difference between it, and a standard Boston crab, isn't even obvious to the average arena mark unless a Joey Styles-like announcer is putting it over like crazy as being an insanely painful and punishing hold. Again, think it over.

[Krimzon]

If you can't see the difference between a Boston Crab & the Liontamer, you need new eyes. Everybody can see the knee to the neck/back of the head and the wicked way the body is bent.

The Walls isn't really his main finisher anymore. That's the Codebreaker now.

[noleafclover1980]

It's not that great of a submission, and the difference between it, and a standard Boston crab, isn't even obvious to the average arena mark unless a Joey Styles-like announcer is putting it over like crazy as being an insanely painful and punishing hold. Again, think it over.

Oh c'mon, that's an over-exageration. The Liontamer looks like a submission that should be an instant tap. That's why I liked it in WCW, once he locked it on, there really was nowhere to go. He has you in aposition where you can't really crawl to the rope to break it, and escaping is difficult. Plus it looks like it hurts like hell.

[mainsupreme]

I'll always mark for it, it was voted to be the greatest submission of all time on this forum.

[hitokiri]

Get real. The Liontamer is far more impressive-looking than a half-assed Boston Crab where he doesn't always even sit on it anyway.

Furthermore, the excuses still don't work. They had no problems doing it back in the day. I say that if you're going to step in the ring, don't expect it to be pain free. Sack up and do your thing. If you can't accept pain in your life, don't get in the ring. You won't hear Jericho complaining about it, so these green kids need to embrace every part of the lifestyle. Yes, you get nice money and tv time, but you also have to accept the cost.

[Jobes]

He did it on JTG a few months ago.

[Turd Ferguson]

Feb 24, 2010 15:43:41 GMT -5 Jobes said:

He did it on JTG a few months ago.

Michael Hayes told him to.

[Greer]

Feb 24, 2010 15:43:41 GMT -5 Jobes said:

He did it on JTG a few months ago.

This just in!

JTG retires from neck injury.

[hajimenoippo]

I liked it on Cena "Ask HIM!"

[Yami Daimao]

I marked immediately when he locked it in.

If you can't see the difference between the Liontamer and the Walls of Jericho, well then damn. Let's compare the two, shall we?

Walls of Jericho - The victim is laying on his stomach, while his legs are pulled back, slightly bending the lower back. Jericho does not sit or put any weight on his victim.

Liontamer - The victim is only laying on his HEAD, while Jericho locks the head on the mat by placing his knee on the neck/back of the head. The stomach is now vertically facing up, while the legs are pulled back, bending the entire back (not just the lower part) almost into an arc WHILE the neck is bent to the side due to the angle and the pressure by Jericho's knee.

Come on now.

[Fade]

Feb 24, 2010 15:28:36 GMT -5 Tapout said:

Feb 24, 2010 15:22:09 GMT -5 hitokiri said:

The reason he's unable to properly utilize this move is due to the less flexible opponents he's working with.

Is it because his opponents all suck? Or is it because they're all working in WWE, which has an insanely grueling road schedule where the Liontamer as a regular spot would mean guys having to take the submission multiple times a week, every week, 52 weeks a year, in addition to all the other wear and tear they take? Think it over.

I thought it over. And it's not cause they suck. But because as was mentioned before, the majority simply aren't flexible enough to take it.

[brettappedout (BLM)]